HKGKaiTak
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QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:05 pm

QF re-enters the Beijing market from Jan 9 2006 - with a 3-times weekly service from Sydney. The press release is a bit vague on whether this is a non-stop service or not although it was reported on travelbiz.com.au that it would be a non-stop.

The aircraft used will be the two-class A330-300. No further schedule information is available.

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2005/jun05/3289

It's good that QF is taking China seriously again.
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:16 pm

The flight is now bookable...

QF 191 SYD 1050-1910 PEK MoWeFr 333
QF 192 PEK 1805-0955 SYD MoWeFr 333
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:22 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Thread starter):
The aircraft used will be the two-class A330-300. No further schedule information is available.

My guess is that they will run it will operate to similar timings to the current SYD-PVG service..

"The new Beijing services are timed to suit customers connecting to and from Australian cities and New Zealand."

What WOULD be a winner in IMO would be an overnight services ex-SYD, arriving in PEK in the morning. But then again, QF rarely do anything innovative with their schedule, so I doubt it.

My guess:
SYD 10:05
PEK 19:35
PEK 21:50
SYD 09:15+1
 
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:30 pm

OK so the schedule is pretty much as per MU, CA, CZ etc . . . so absolutely not innovative . . . I do agree though that QF should try something different.
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:37 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
QF 191 SYD 1050-1910 PEK MoWeFr 333
QF 192 PEK 1805-0955 SYD MoWeFr 333

That doesn't look right.
get's in at 1910 and departs 1805??

is 1805 meant to read 2105 or 2205 perhaps??

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
My guess:
SYD 10:05
PEK 19:35
PEK 21:50
SYD 09:15+1

LOL! i was close...
 
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:44 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 3):
OK so the schedule is pretty much as per MU, CA, CZ etc . . . so absolutely not innovative . . . I do agree though that QF should try something different.

The problem is that the SYD curfew makes it difficult to operate the return sector.
IMO, the service should have been MEL-PEK to take advantage of the curfew free operations.

aND YOU'RE RIGHT... there is no differentiation in timing compared to the Chinese carriers:

*T****S 11:20a SYD 1 7:40p PVG MU 566 Non-stop 340 10:20
*T*T**S 10:05a SYD 1 6:35p PVG QF 129 Non-stop 333 10:30
M*WT*S* 11:20a SYD 1 7:50p PVG MU 562 Non-stop 340 10:30
M*W*FS* 11:20a SYD 1 7:50p PVG *QF 337 Non-stop 343 10:30
M**T*** 11:20a SYD 1 7:50p PVG CA 176 Non-stop 777 10:30
**W*F*S 11:20a SYD 1 7:50p PVG CA 176 Non-stop 767 10:30
****F** 11:20a SYD 1 7:50p PVG MU 566 Non-stop 340 10:30

***T**S 9:50a SYD 1 5:05p CAN CZ 322 Non-stop 330 9:15 *T***S* 11:20a SYD 1 6:45p CAN CA 173 Non-stop 777 9:25
 
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:52 pm

Really wish Air China could introduce SYD-PEK or MEL-PEK non-stop service instead of having to go through PVG or CAN.

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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:12 pm

ITs about time QF got in on the action. Australia-China business links have resulted in huge numbers of people traveling back and forth between these two countries. Hence the large number of PRC carriers at SYD. I predict, that over time, the service will be upgraded to 744 or to daily 333. Demand shoudl be sufficient.
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:55 pm

Great news very pleased to hear QF expanding into the China market...

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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting Carnoc (Reply 6):
Really wish Air China could introduce SYD-PEK or MEL-PEK non-stop service instead of having to go through PVG or CAN.

Their management doesn't think it can be sustained year-round, and they also don't have the right size equipment with the range to do it.

The B772 is 345 seats, so the extra PVG or CAN uplift comes in handy.
On the other hand their B763 would struggle wish range, and would have to take a payload hit.

Having said that, CA plans to delink MEL on its PEK-PVG-MEL-SYD-PVG-PEK service later this year.

Plans are to operate using a B762 on PEK-PVG-MEL VV routing.
They also plan for an overnight service both ways. something along the lines of...

PVG 23.00
MEL 11.00

MEL 23.00
PVG 07.30+1

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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:53 pm

Am I mistaken that Qantas' A330 are not even the X-type after all? So presumably the flights will be operated with some very .... very severe payload restriction, won't they? The great circle map indicates that SYD-PEK is over 5500 miles each way.

http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/inTheAir/ourAircraft/seatMap333
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:55 am

Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 10):
Am I mistaken that Qantas' A330 are not even the X-type after all? So presumably the flights will be operated with some very .... very severe payload restriction, won't they? The great circle map indicates that SYD-PEK is over 5500 miles each way.

Exactly the first thing I thought. Thats A Huge push for a 333. 5552 Seems more suitable for a 743. Anybody got any explanations?

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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:47 am

SYD-PEK is an extremely long way for a 333, but its north-south with not much in the way of winds.

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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
QF 191 SYD 1050-1910 PEK MoWeFr 333
QF 192 PEK 1805-0955 SYD MoWeFr 333

That doesn't look right.
get's in at 1910 and departs 1805??

is 1805 meant to read 2105 or 2205 perhaps??

Can someone PLEASE re-confirm timing of this service??

With regards to the distance, is QF planning to stop in BNE or CNS perhaps??
 
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:16 am

i'll think your find anz are not far behind them on this route too
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:36 am

Timings are as follows:
QF 191 SYD/PEK DEP 1050 ARR 1910 DAYS 1,3,5
QF 192 PEK/SYD DEP 2030 ARR 1105+1 DAYS 1,3,5

A long haul indeed for 333 !!

When the 4th Shanghai flight starts, plus these flights it will be daily to China, with the mid to long term plan of both cities being daily (2007).

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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:41 am

QF didn't go down the path of discounting their SYD-PVG service to the Chinese VFR market here in Oz, and they've always priced the service at a premium over the Chinese carriers. I wonder what pricing strategies they'll use for the PEK service.

(I find it interesting QF is teaming up with BA and SK in marketing quite good value Oz-Europe airfares via PVG - they must have excess capacity on this route - then why did they not promote to the local Chinese?)
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RE: QF To Fly SYD-PEK

Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:05 pm

I beleive the last few A333's were tof the X variety