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Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:43 am

Loving Eastern Airlines and its history, I'd still like to know if they were ever the largest airline on the east coast in terms of pax #s, or even a/c #s.

Their hubs were MIA, LGA, ATL, am I missing any? Was JFK one?
Which of their hubs were they the dominant carrier at?

Just brushing up on EAL history. . .

Thanks ahead of time. . .

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:52 am

For a time in the 70s and 80s Eastern boarded more passengers a year than any airline "in the free world." Only Aeroflot carried more. However, Eastern's average stage length was quite low so they never had the greatest RPMs.

Eastern also had hubs as PHL, CLT, MCI, IAH and SJU, though not all at once.

Eastern was the first large American carrier to post a profit and was consistently the most profitable airline from the 30s to the 50s.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:53 am

I believe EA also tried a hub in Houston.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:57 am

I think that year 1983, 1984, & 1985 were Eastern's biggest years ... before Texas Air buyout.

Eastern used to have "mini-hubs" at STL. Not sure about DCA - maybe just a huge base.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:01 am

Here is a link to some Eastern timetables and route maps. They may help you to understand their route structure.

http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-EASTERN.html

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:05 am

Let me add this to the link's timetable .. March 4, 1989 -- strike crippled Eastern's operations.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:37 am

That website doesn't even get the shutdown date correct!! January 18th, not 16th, 1991

You have to remember, back in the 60s and 70s and early 80s, airlines really didn't have HUBS, more like large bases of operations. I think EA's only true hubs were ATL, MCI, PHL, IAH, but they had large bases at LGA, EWR, BOS, JFK, DCA, ORD, STL, CLT, TPA, MCO, MIA, FLL, SJU
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:30 am

1985 and 1986, Eastern boarded more passengers than any other carrier except AeroFlot. Feb 1991 they were no more....,.I think that is a powerful statement to anyone who thinks their company, airline or not, is invincible.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:03 am

Also they had INTL F/A crew bases in BOG, LIM, and EZE.

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:04 am

Yes.I was sadden when I heard of the Eastern shutdown.
But I wasn't shocked because of the Frank Borman Vs. labor
troubles, which was in many cases, front page news.
Great carrier.Truly missed.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 9):
Yes.I was sadden when I heard of the Eastern shutdown.

Yes.. everyone was shocked. That was on Friday night. The next day, USAToday newspaper - they do not publish Saturday and Sunday editions - but they did Saturday edition after EA's shutdown on Friday night ..

Headline read this:

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting DIA (Thread starter):


Their hubs were MIA, LGA, ATL, am I missing any? Was JFK one?
Which of their hubs were they the dominant carrier at?

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As pointed out, airservice back in the 70s and 80s was more point to point oriented, and less about hubs, but Eastern did have some rather impressive operations at the following cities....

ATL was a major hub for EA.

Eastern also had a major focus city at CLT, connections were available at CLT for cities such as CHS, SAV, JAX, CAE and others in the Carolinas.

PHL was also a focus city, Eastern moved passengers from Montreal, Toronto and upstate NY cities via PHL to destinations in Florida and the Southeast.

Large operations at LGA, JFK and EWR (including of course the BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle).

Eastern was a major player at all FLorida airports: MCO (EA was the first official airline of Walt Disney World), PBI, FLL and MIA were very big stations....MIA took on even more importance after EA acquired South American route authorities from Braniff.

Major stations at MSY and IAH with primarily east coast destinations; however, at a certain point, EA did open up routes from IAH to the west coast.

And, when Eastern looked westward (at this point the airline was already in trouble), Eastern established a hub at Kansas City to move pax from east to west and west to east.....it was not a very compreshensive hub, it focused on connection major east and west coast cities and was not very successful.

Finally, dont forget that EA had a huge operation at SJU, flying from mainly east coast US cities including Miami to SJU.

I have great memories of flying Eastern.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:51 am

Eastern was the free world's largest airline from about 1982 thru 1985. At the time EA had true hubs only in ATL and MIA with smaller hub like operations at MCI, CLT and IAH. SJU, LGA, EWR, PHL, DCA, TPA, MCO, and FLL were very large focus cities dependent mostly on O&D traffic. In 1986 and 1987 a late night connecting hub was attempted at O'Hare but the weather delays took its toll on the operation.

Eastern's demise though long in the making was pretty rapid. As late as 1987 Eastern was still as large if not larger than Delta. By March 1989 the airline had stopped flying entirely because of a strike, and the airline though reconstituted with Frank Lorenzo's strike breakers employed never came close to regaining its former size of pre March 1989. Lorenzo actually believed he could bring Eastern back to nearly full size and blundered badly. Instead of selling assets quickly and regaining some capitol he attempted to rebuild the airline quickly and brought back many of the structural defects in EA's route system. By the time Lorenzo was stripped of contol by the bankrupcy court in 1990 EA was sure to die.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:59 am

I should also point out that EA's true hub at miami really began when Ea absorbed Braniff's Latin American division in 1982. Prior to that Miami was simply a huge focus city, while serving as a hub for Pan Am who actually had less dailies than EA, but far more connecting opportunities.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:30 am

"Eastern was the free world's largest airline from about 1982 thru 1985."

As measured by boardings?
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:51 pm

I loved flying Eastern however my last Eastern flight was terrible. It was MIA-LAX on an L10 circa 1989. The interior was dirty, showing wear, ripped fabric on the seats, and there were cockroaches scurrying about. At that point I knew they were no longer the Eastern Airlines I once knew and loved.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:09 pm

I have to say that part of what EA and the other legacies were doing in the 70s is part of the explanation as to why the legacies aren't doing well right now. No one particularly wants to change planes in DFW, ORD or ATL, point to point service is more desirable.

From IAH in the 70s I used to take EA L-1011s and A300s to JFK and back again and the meal was almost always 'steak or lobster?'---in coach. EA served several cities in Texas from IAH nonostop, like ELP, SAT, CRP, and others, as well as flying to its traditional home markets in New York and the eastern seaboard. In those days airlines served routes where [they at least thought] passengers wanted to fly, not everything had to go through a hub.

EA lost out to superior revenue management and the hub philosophy that took hold in the late 80s, and, ironically, may again be on its decline.

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:29 pm

A stroll through selected Eastern years...starting with:

1972
Total Daily Flights=1508

1982
Total Daily Flights=1423

1987
Total Daily Flights=1459

1989
Total Daily Flights=387

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1972
TOP TEN/DAILY FLIGHTS
ATL-220
MIA-130
LGA-77
DCA-71
EWR-63
BOS-60
CLT-50
TPA-47
PHL-43
FLL-37(TIE)
JFK-37 (TIE)

1982
TOP TEN/DAILY FLIGHTS
ATL-284
MIA-101
LGA-65
CLT-56
TPA-54
DCA-50
MCO-45
JFK-42
BOS-41
IAH-35

1987
TOP TEN/DAILY FLIGHTS
ATL-332
MIA-112
LGA-77
MCI-61
DCA-57(TIE)
BOS-57(TIE)
PHL-51
TPA-46
MCO-42
FLL-32
EWR-28

1989
TOP TEN(8)/DAILY FLIGHTS
ATL-163
MIA-26
LGA-16
MCO-8
DCA-5(TIE)
TPA-5(TIE)
EWR-5(TIE)
16 CITIES WITH 4 DAILIES:
BOS,PHL,FLL,SJU,JAX,PBI,ORD,RDU,GSP,SAV,MSY,PNS,BNA,CLT,YUL,BUF,BHM
19 CITIES WITH 3 DAILIES:
DTW,LAX,PIT,BWI,SRQ,BDL,CHS,CLE,FMY,ORF,IND,STL,TLH,MLB,CMH,DAB,MOB,HSV,GNV
9 CITIES WITH 2 DAILIES:
YYZ,SEA,SFO,PVD,DEN,MKE,ALB,PTY,LIM
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:50 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
1972
TOP TEN/DAILY FLIGHTS
ATL-220
MIA-130

That number for MIA seems high as hell. I presume that it included code-share flights on Naples Airlines/PBA?
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting DB777 (Reply 18):
That number for MIA seems high as hell. I presume that it included code-share flights on Naples Airlines/PBA?

Nope. Those are all Mainline. I will provide a breakdown later.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:10 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
1987
Total Daily Flights=1459

1989
Total Daily Flights=387

given above figures ... that's a reduction of 1,072 daily flights between 1987 & 1989 ... The worst downsizing I've ever see
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:18 pm

The 1989 number for MIA seems low as hell. I could swear I remember seeing a lot of Eastern operations when I was at MIA in 1990.

I remember flying on Eastern in 1986, when they were still the official airline of Disney. I flew DTW-ATL on a 727, then ATL-MCO on another 727, then MCO-ATL on a 727, ATL-DTW on a DC-9.

i recall the planes being kind of dirty and worn down back then. The food was terrible on the leg between DTW-ATL both ways (between MCO-ATL was just peanuts) , but that was back in the days when you still got food.

I recall seeing a lot of Eastern widebodies at MCO in 1986. I recall seeing both L1011s and A300s around MCO and wondering where they came from (being that I just came from ATL on a 727).

Does anyone remember the Eastern ride at the Magic Kingdom? It was in Tomorrowland I believe, near where Space Mountain is. I think they replaced the ride with that interactive ride that is there now- i forgot what movie it was based on, but its similar to the Men in Black ride at Universal where you have to shoot at aliens/monsters or something.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
Does anyone remember the Eastern ride at the Magic Kingdom? It was in Tomorrowland I believe, near where Space Mountain is. I think they replaced the ride with that interactive ride that is there now- i forgot what movie it was based on, but its similar to the Men in Black ride at Universal where you have to shoot at aliens/monsters or something.

The name of the ride was "If You Had Wings" and it was near the entrance to the Carousel of Progress (sponsored by GE). Delta took the ride over briefly when they took over the "official airline" status from Eastern and called it "DreamFlight". Both carriers had a representative ready to take reservations from riders at unload. When I worked at Disney in the early 90's there was some discussion as to what they were going to do with the space after Delta left.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
The 1989 number for MIA seems low as hell. I could swear I remember seeing a lot of Eastern operations when I was at MIA in 1990.

Yes, I believe that the list for 1989 quoted above is from early in the strikebefore Eastern built back their operations. I'll find a later timetable from 1989 (perhaps December) and list the flights.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 19):
Quoting DB777 (Reply 18):
That number for MIA seems high as hell. I presume that it included code-share flights on Naples Airlines/PBA?

Nope. Those are all Mainline. I will provide a breakdown later.

I'd love to see it because in 1972 the E-Satellite wasn't open yet and EA had considerably fewer gates to use on half of Concourse B (the newer half was built in the late 70's/early 80's), C and half of old D. After BN went bust in the early 80's EA started South American/Central American service on former BN routes and still their daily flights were only in the low 100's with a lot more gates to use on the new half of B, new-D and the E-Satellite. I just can't imagine EA doing fast turns on the limited number of gates that were available in 1972.


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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:29 pm

Prior to deregulation Ea flew several point to point flights from MIA and FLL to cities such as Greensboro, Birminghma and Buffalo that were not served after 1978. So yes, I do believe the 1972 number of 130. With the exception of transcons that were given to National, the CAB awarded just about every route to the midwest and secondary points in Northeast and Southeast from MIA or FLL to either EA or DL. That's why as I've mentioned in previous threads about South Florida that Delta had between 40 to 50 dailies from both MIA and FLL in the mid to late 70s.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:40 pm

Eastern Airlines
September 1972
Miami.

ATL-11
BWI-4
BHM-1
BOS-4
BUF-2
CLT-1
ORD-6
CLE-1
CMH-1
DAL-2
DAB-2
DTW-3
FPO-4
GNV-1
BDL-3
IND-1
JAX-1
MLB-2
MKE-1
MSP-1
NAS-8
MSY-1
EWR-7
LGA-11
JFK-9
MCO-5
PHL-8
PIT-3
PVD-1
RDU-1
STL-1
STT-2
SJU-5
SRQ-1
SYR-1
TPA-5
VRB-1
DCA-4
PBI-3
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:42 pm

I'm well aware of EA's point-to-point service prior to deregulation but it just doesn't compute gate-wise at MIA for 130 daily flights based on the gates that were available to them back then. I could be wrong like anyone else in these forums but Eastern had long turns on gates and they didn't operate a hub-type operation where you get maximum utilization out of your gates.

And I'm aware of Delta's presence back then too. They had 55 daily flights at MIA alone in the early/mid 70's before they moved most of their operations to FLL.

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 26):
Eastern Airlines
September 1972
Miami.

ATL-11
BWI-4
BHM-1
BOS-4
BUF-2
CLT-1
ORD-6
CLE-1
CMH-1
DAL-2
DAB-2
DTW-3
FPO-4
GNV-1
BDL-3
IND-1
JAX-1
MLB-2
MKE-1
MSP-1
NAS-8
MSY-1
EWR-7
LGA-11
JFK-9
MCO-5
PHL-8
PIT-3
PVD-1
RDU-1
STL-1
STT-2
SJU-5
SRQ-1
SYR-1
TPA-5
VRB-1
DCA-4
PBI-3

"LCC Eastern" those 1972 days
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting DB777 (Reply 27):
but it just doesn't compute gate-wise at MIA for 130 daily flights based on the gates that were available to them back then

I don't know what to say then....the information posted comes straight from the publicly distributed timetable from Sept 6, 1972.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:16 am

The January 1, 1990 timetable had a total of 266 flights a day from Atlanta and 78 flights a day from Miami. That I believe was the high point in the post strike Eastern.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:23 am

The ride space at Disneyworld is now the Buzz Lightyear ride, where you use laser guns to shoot the bad guys. It's a great ride, and the younger kids who are into the whole "Toy Story" thing really love it.

I recall reading that they use for the most part the original ride track from "If you had wings". Many fond memories of that ride from 1973 onward.

We flew the old EA Air Shuttle between DCA and LGA many times. Always loved the opportunity to ride on the L188 Electra which they would pull out for you if there were no seats left. Also the last flight at night back to DCA was an Electra due to noise control.

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 31):
The ride space at Disneyworld is now the Buzz Lightyear ride, where you use laser guns to shoot the bad guys. It's a great ride, and the younger kids who are into the whole "Toy Story" thing really love it.

I loved that ride so much. The Buzz Lightyear ride still sits on the same exact ride system that the Eastern ride did. After Eastern and Disney ended their relationship, the ride became "Delta's Dreamflight". Then Delta dropped sponsorship, and it became "Take Flight!". It basiclly took you through the history of aviation. I speficily remember the comic scene of an early 1920s air show. Then there was the "flights" to Paris and Tokyo, the ride through an airliner cabin, and, my favourite, the ending, with the giant story books that opened to reveal skylines of cities with planes flying through them. Closed in 1999/2000, IIRC.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:05 am

Thank you for the breakdown, which I didn't see until after my last post. I'm amazed at those numbers because they only had about 20-22 gates to do those 130 daily flights which is an average of over 6 flights per gate daily. That's a higher utilization per gate than what AA has at MIA now running a hub operation, and far higher than EA's gate utilization in the 80's when they had fewer flights and considerably more gates to use.

I can't find my timetables right now but those are all non-stop flights to each of those destinations, correct? I don't think you would count connecting flights but I just want to make sure.

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:58 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
Does anyone remember the Eastern ride at the Magic Kingdom? It was in Tomorrowland I believe, near where Space Mountain is.

In an episode of The Simpsons, they visit Orlando's "EFCOT Center" and actually ride on it! The Eastern Airlines reference and all!!!

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:37 am

Eastern Airlines highest total of MIA mainline daily departures was between 110-115(1987-1988) Atlanta had 309(1989 or 1990) daily departures.Miami never at anytime trailed any other city in daily depatrures besides Atlanta.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting Doug (Reply 35):
Atlanta had 309(1989 or 1990)

Interesting. EA was a largely point to point carrier pre-strike with the exception of the large Atlanta and Miami hubs. It is still amazing to me even though the plan didn't work that Lorenzo, with scab employees was able to get up to 300 + ATL departures post strike largely by raiding the EA pension fund. I know the EA plan was to leave very limited flights that overflew Atlanta (like FLL-LGA where EA was strong, but very few of these types of flights), and fight a one front war versus Delta who had a much higher cost structure. Had it not been for the Gulf War, it may have worked, much the way it works for Air Tran now. In any event that Atlanta-centric carrier was not fitting of the EA name since Eastern in its heydey just years before had been a much larger carrier with a more developed route network. Eastern's Atlanta strategy as explained to the bankrupcy court involved eventualy having 400 daily departures from Atlanta and less than 100 daily flights each way that did not touch Atlanta.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting Doug (Reply 35):
Miami never at anytime trailed any other city in daily depatrures besides Atlanta.

true ... I wonder why Eastern was based in Miami (Headquarters office located at Building 9 -- on MIA property), not Atlanta ...
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:17 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't New York (Rockefeller Building) the site of Eastern's HQ's for the vast majority of their existance? I thought they moved it to MIA in the 60's, probably around the same time that Bldg 9 was constructed?

And wouldn't it make sense to have it in Miami where they had most of their maintenance facilities, pilot training facilities, engineering, etc. etc.?

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 34):
In an episode of The Simpsons, they visit Orlando's "EFCOT Center" and actually ride on it! The Eastern Airlines reference and all!!!

I remember that episode!!! I never knew that skit was based on a real ride at Disney. It was funny because the ride was supposed to represent like 50 years into the future and it was like the year 2000 and all there were flying cars everywhere and all the flying cars had the Eastern logo on them.

BTW, its EPCOT center...not EFCOT.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 39):
BTW, its EPCOT center...not EFCOT.

Not in the episode, it isn't. The parody location was specifically EFCOT...the font and all was entirely verbatim to the actual EPCOT. Very very funny episode, but to airline enthusiasts, to see the decrepid Tomorrowland ride sponsored by Eastern Airlines is easily the laugh-out-loud funniest moment of the show!

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:01 am

Quoting DB777 (Reply 38):
Correct me if I'm wrong

You are not.

Quoting DB777 (Reply 38):
but wasn't New York (Rockefeller Building) the site of Eastern's HQ's for the vast majority of their existance?

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Eastern Airlines Building
10 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY, 10020

The address above taken from the back page of the 1972 timetable.

Quoting DB777 (Reply 33):
I can't find my timetables right now but those are all non-stop flights to each of those destinations, correct?

Yes...only nonstop and filtered, since some locations are listed multiple times.
Miami and Ft Lauderdale departures for one are listed under the Miami heading with single letter designators: "Blank" for MIA, "T" for FLL, and then again separately under a Fort Lauderdale heading.
Same for:
The absolutely confusing "Melbourne/Titusville", Titusville/Cocoa and Orlando/Melbourne/Titusville/Cocoa, "M" for Melbourne or "J" for Orlando, "C" for Titusville/Cocoa.

The timetable actually has a flight from "Titusville/Cocoa" to "Orlando/Melbourne/Titusville/Cocoa", flight EA588, dep 7:35pm-arr 7:50pm.
I think it was an L188 (Lockheed Electra II)....Were those the 500-series flights?
Can anyone confirm?

Washington/Baltimore and then just Baltimore. When included under the Washington DC heading, it was "F" for Baltimore, "W" for DCA, "D" for Dulles.

I have it all broken down in Excel spreadsheets..even those "Railroad" style timetables from the pre-60's. (Where you read down the grid.)

Trans-continental flights at the time were to:
Los Angeles/3X ATL
Seattle/3X PDX-1X OMA-1X STL
Portland/1X OMA-1X STL-2X SEA
Denver/1X MEM (cont'd to ATL, interchange with Braniff)

I was a kid in Portland at the time...the metallic L1011 Whisperliner was truly spage age orgasmia over-load!!!!
Wow!

QUESTION. Would Eastern's L1011 flight into Portland be the first widebody to serve that city? I can't get a definitive answer on UA's 747s and DC10s, but as a kid...for some reason Eastern sticks out in my mind, maybe because they were SO distinctive looking.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:36 am

Sounds to me like you've really done your research, thanks. It still boggles my mind that they had that many flights with so few gates at MIA in 1972, which was 2 years before I got with the airport and at least 5 years before we started assigning some of their gates on E and the E-Satellite for international arrivals.

Eastern had fewer flights with more gates in the 80's and still had problems running out of gates sometimes. We had a hell of a time getting them to remove dead aircraft after international arrivals and we learned quickly to assign other EA arrivals behind terminating flights to force them to get the earlier arrivals off the gate. They just didn't give a crap about other airlines needing gates after them.

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:09 pm

I worked for Eastern and really miss them.
I once saw a movie made in the mid 80's
that showed a large part of the operations.
I think even a baggage room, anyone know
the name of that movie?
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 43):
I worked for Eastern and really miss them.
I once saw a movie made in the mid 80's
that showed a large part of the operations.
I think even a baggage room, anyone know
the name of that movie?

a movie about Eastern Flight 401 that crash landed in the Everglades?
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:31 pm

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 44):
Quoting WDBRR (Reply 43):
I worked for Eastern and really miss them.
I once saw a movie made in the mid 80's
that showed a large part of the operations.
I think even a baggage room, anyone know
the name of that movie?

a movie about Eastern Flight 401 that crash landed in the Everglades?

Sorry...it wasn't a crash movie, it was more a comedy.
The movie was kind of funny and almost gloried EAL.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:44 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 43):
I worked for Eastern and really miss them.
I once saw a movie made in the mid 80's
that showed a large part of the operations.
I think even a baggage room, anyone know
the name of that movie?

In the movie Cadillac Man, there was a derogatory reference to Eastern. Wonder why the movie studio wasn't sued.
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:31 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 43):
I once saw a movie made in the mid 80's
that showed a large part of the operations.
I think even a baggage room, anyone know
the name of that movie?

Sounds like "Ernest Saves Christmas"
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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:33 am

Maybe this is a good time to pull on the memories of EAL afficionados:

What was the last flight to touchdown when EAL went under on January 18, and if someone knows the answer, the reg number would also be greatly appreciated.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. And yes, I asked this in another thread, but got no responses. Hoping for a long shot, though. Big grin


Thanks,

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RE: Eastern Airlines: Biggest In Their Day?

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:45 pm

Did read a while ago that the last EA flight was LGA-ATL.
You may want to check the archives for the Atlanta Journal
Consitution newpaper for that date, I think that's where I read
it.

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