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Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:30 am

A DC-10, inbound from DXB, made a belly landing at CGP (which airport would this be?) after its right landing gear collapsed. One of the wings caught fire. No report on injuries.

I hope everyone is ok.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting Egghead (Thread starter):
CGP (which airport would this be?)

It's Chittagong in Bangladesh.

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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:08 am

Does anyone have a news link?
Thanks, Philip :)
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:16 am

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1417634,000500020001.htm

Doesn't look like a "belly landing" per se, i.e. complete gear-up, more like either a partial gear-up (2 of 3) or a normal landing and then a main gear collapsing. The article says the wing was on fire first and that caused the gear to fail, but at this early stage that can be taken with a grain of salt...
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:23 am

Hopefully no one is hurt, but looks like a write-off, and another season of scheduling chaos for Biman, who already have a less than stellar reputation for service.
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:51 am

As a small operator,how badly does this hurt them?
I went to their web site and doesn't seem to be
any problem in service.

[Edited 2005-07-01 20:04:29]
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 5):
As a small operator,how badly does this hurt them.
I went to their web site and doesn't seem to be
any problem in service.

Dont airlines have insurance on their planes? Sorry if im wrong here!!!
Thanks, Philip :)
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 5):
As a small operator,how badly does this hurt them.

According to BI´s website they have 6 DC10-30´s. I agree that the one in CGP probably will be a write-off and this surely will have an effect on BI´s schedule ...
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:22 am

According to this article they have two DC10 and they will lease another one to replace the damaged plane:
http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_19686.shtml
The Minister said Bangladesh Biman had two DC-10 aircraft of which one was damaged in yesterday's accident. To keep international flights unaffected, a DC-10 aircraft would be procured in a day or two under lease, said the Minister.

Does anyone know the reg?
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:51 am

What's the reg of the WO plane ?
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:05 am

I would miss the BG DC-10's if they were sent off. But Biman is going to look pretty old with PK and AI 777s flying into DAC behind Emirates A380s. Bangladesh is a huge market for NRBs (labourers working overseas) and companies charter entire sections of aircraft. Give BG an A380 and they would fill it. Eliminate Poverty. Airbus or Boeing - give Biman a plane to replace this essential link. Think of how many new aircraft are sitting in deserts around the word.

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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:07 am

They still have to conclude the deal for T7s and A330s.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
According to BG´s website they have 6 DC10-30´s.

see http://www.bimanair.com/aboutus/fleet_info.asp while on the other hand:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 8):
According to this article they have two DC10 and they will lease another one to replace the damaged plane:
http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/pub...shtml

Well, I´ve heard, that BG is willing to phase out DC10´s from their fleet, but that they use such drastic action to do so ...  

EDIT: Changed "BI" into "BG"

[Edited 2005-07-01 21:28:11]
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Spike (Reply 13):
Its BG not BI you

Point taken. How could I mix up. Sorry.
I´ll edit my post #12 accordingly.
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:00 am

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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:24 am

Which regi ?

Rgds,
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:25 am

Definitely looks like a write off to me.

Where would they get DC10s at short notice? JAL? Northwest?
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting JetHost (Reply 2):
It's Chittagong in Bangladesh.

Can we just say about this story, 'Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang?'

Chris in NH
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:08 am

Biman have been trying to procure a single DC-10 for years now.
The tender was invited three times without any results.
And don't believe any word the minister says. He said he would lease
777 within six months three years ago. The only option for Biman I see right
Now is to wet lease any 300 seater (DC-10/777/330/340/Md-11) for the short term (maximum six months) then either accelerate the delivery soon to be ordered 332/777 or lease one or two 310’s to fill the void.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:09 am

My 2 cents worth. I suspect it skidded off the runway, which caused the gear to collapse which in turn caused the fire, presumably from the engine.

If the gear had collapsed on landing, this my indicate a long dormant design fault and the need for a grounding order on all DC-10.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:39 am

It was just a matter of time. THey work there DC-10's to death. It's rarely on time into JFK and foreign workers I know who go through Dakka avoid them like the plague. I'm sad to say I'm not surprised and hope they find resources to replace all the DC-10's with someone more current.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:26 am

Here is how MR. Mohibur RAhman, one of the Engineer of Biman descirbed the cause of the accident of DC-10, “For unknown reason, the right engine caught on fire before lainding, which melted some tires of main landing gear causing the collapse of four main landing gears at touchdown.”

The aircraft skidded approximately 35 meters off the runway shortly after landing. Landing gears of the aircraft were broken and instantly sank a meter-deep into the mud apart from total destruction of the plane’s right wing and the turbine.Fortunately, it was raining and the rain stopped the fire form spreading into any fuselage section.


Also one of the wings is blocking the only runway of CGP airport, so the airport will be closed for at least one more day. An official of the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB) in Chittagong said that they had suspended flight operation to and from the CGP till 10:00 p.m. tomorrow (Saturday).

It is learnt from a number of unofficial sources that the captain of the Dhaka-bound flight BG048 sought landing clearance from the control tower of Shah Amanat International Airport at about 8:40 a.m. Control tower officials denied clearance on the grounds of poor visibility. But, the captain of the aircraft ignored control tower’s instruction and decided to land.Officials of the CGP confirmed that 10 of the on board passengers suffered minor wounds while others survived unhurt.


The reg of this DC-10 is S2-ADN, one of the two Ex-Canadian DC-10's leased from a French leasing company named Pegasus. This particular aircraft entered service with Biman in November 2000 and the lease terms would have been expired in around November 2005. Chances are it would have been scrapped soon afterwards. S2-ADN was insured for $15 million from a Singaporean company.

[Edited 2005-07-02 00:35:47]

[Edited 2005-07-02 00:38:34]
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 22):
“For unknown reason, the right engine caught on fire before lainding, which melted some tires of main landing gear causing the collapse of four main landing gears (right) at touchdown.”

A DC-10 has 4 main landing gears? An engine fire melts tires?

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 22):
Fortunately, it was raining and the rain stopped the fire form spreading into any fuselage section.

Must have been a heck of rain... Another report said the airport fire department put it out...

You just gotta love the initial reports of an accident/incident....  Wink
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:43 am

"Must have been a heck of rain... Another report said the airport fire department put it out..."

The reports did say Fire dept did put out the fire with foam, but the rain stopped the fire from spreading saving a lot of life.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:26 am

Wow... I flew on this exact aircraft back in 1984 when she was with CP. This makes the third aircraft I have been on that later had an "incident". I was on F-GITA (AF 744) two weeks before she took a swim in the lagoon at FAAA and I was also on C-GITS (TS A330) not long before she ran dry and glided 200nm into the Azores. I'm flying HMY to HNL in a week, here's hoping they are not less one 757 after!
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:34 am

A more plausible sequence of events in this account:

http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050701-0
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:41 am

This is why so many pax evacuated in minutes!

http://www.bimanair.com/intheair/intheair_safety_dc10.asp

And damn, I guess our Catering ops at Brussels are even more mess now for them...
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting Spike (Reply 10):
. Airbus or Boeing - give Biman a plane to replace this essential link.

it just might happen... Wink

"US Ready To Help Bangladesh Buy B777 Aircraft: Ambassador

DHAKA, June 24 Asia Pulse - The US government is ready to provide financial help in buying Boeing 777 aircraft if Bangladesh wants, said outgoing American Ambassador Harry K Thomas.

He gave the US proposal when he called on State Minister for Civil Aviation and Tourism Mir Mohammad Nasir Uddin at his secretariat office Thursday.

Appreciating Bangladesh government's decision to procure new Boeing aircraft as a timely step, the Ambassador said the airplanes of Biman are "safer" than those of other airlines."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/050624/3/uufz.html
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:00 am

Just a quick question out of curiosity:

Can BG fly non-stop to JFK with their aircraft? And are we talking A310 or DC10 here? It's hard for me to believe the DC10s or A310s have that kind of a range?!

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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting Hawker (Reply 20):

If the gear had collapsed on landing, this my indicate a long dormant design fault and the need for a grounding order on all DC-10.

Uh, yeah. Sure.  Yeah sure Stick to bean counting, amigo.


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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:06 pm

Garuda just retired its DC10s - they should be available as they are parked in Jakarta for quick response.

Good question - Does BG fly nonstop to JFK?
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:22 pm

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 29):
Can BG fly non-stop to JFK with their aircraft? And are we talking A310 or DC10 here? It's hard for me to believe the DC10s or A310s have that kind of a range?!

No. The flights are routed DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK-BRU-DAC. There is no Dubai stop on the eastbound flight, and no local traffic is carried between NYC and DXB.
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:37 pm

Quoting post 30.

"If the gear had collapsed on landing, this may indicate a long dormant design fault and the need for a grounding order on all DC-10.

Uh, yeah. Sure. Yeah sure Stick to bean counting, amigo."

In response, all I was saying in the section of my initial post not quoted, was skidding off the runway was the most likely initial cause of the accident. BUT, if there was some inexplicable mechanical failure, then that would have potentially serious implications for the airworthiness of the design.

What is interesting in this case is the initial Government/airline response to this accident. The neutral response would be that it is too early to speculate of causes. But for those with an agenda, it is always easy to blame either the pilot or the plane. Readers will no doubt be aware of past examples of such media management.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:46 pm

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 28):
Can BG fly non-stop to JFK with their aircraft? And are we talking A310 or DC10 here? It's hard for me to believe the DC10s or A310s have that kind of a range?!

No, the DC-10 usually flies Dakka - Brussels - JFK. I think there maybe even another stop between Dakka and Brussels.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:00 pm

Serves that airline right...maybe they'll drop their absolutely ridiculous royalties they charge at DAC.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:05 pm


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The report says one of the Wings caught fire.How.
Any official word.

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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:07 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 35):
The report says one of the Wings caught fire.How.

It probably has something to do with that incinerated #3 engine.
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:29 am

This just in:

A Biman Bangladesh DC-10 skidded off the runway while landing at Chittagong Airport today. The aircraft suffered $10 million worth of improvements.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:48 am

I thought you couldn't "belly land a jumbo jet?"

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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:19 am

Some new developments reported... Flightcrew suspended... Alleged unstable approach... Lessor and hull insurer evaluating if it's a write-off or not...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...did=180602&perpage=15&pagenumber=2
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:46 am

... if its a write-off or not... Come on, this oldie is 26 years old, and damage clearly exceeds the damage of the Atlas Air written off at Düsseldorf recently. I give a 1 or 2% chance that a DC-10 fan repairs it.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:48 am

It's not official yet, but insurers have inspected the aircraft and declared it as a write off. Currently the Engineers are taking off the #1 engine and fuel.
The brought inn a crane to move the aircraft 150 foot away from the runway so they can reopen the runway. Currently only F-28's and DAsh-8's are using the 6000 foot useable runway.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:50 am

I think that the insurance is worth more than the aircraft even before it crashed.
 
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RE: Biman DC10 - Belly Landing

Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:59 am

I have just checked Speednews, they have 46990 for lease and 46584,46997,47927 and 48292 for sale.

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