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Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:57 am

Does anyone have a list of the biggest airport in europe in terms of passenger traffic? Many thanks!

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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:12 am

My wild guess:

1. LHR
2. CDG
3. FRA
4. AMS
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:12 am

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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:19 am

Setting his priorities right, that man!  Smile
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:26 am

 Smile yeah EDDM! Nomen est Omen
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:22 am

Munich,
these are the figures for 2002 ?
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:39 am

@HT

no, 2004. Why do you think 2002?

Have a look on this site than you can get the exact stats.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Munich (Reply 6):
Why do you think 2002?

Because the filename said "EUR_Paxe2002" ...

btw, great link that you included.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting Munich (Reply 2):

Three more positions and Vienna would have shown up on that list, damn you  hissyfit   tongue 

What's interesting to see is not just the passenger numbers, but also the aircraft movements. Note how certain airports have less passengers but more movements due to the average size of aircraft there. And what I also found interesting is the rates at which airports are growing or shrinking expressed as a percentage. This is a good indication of who is catching up and who is not able to grow much more (in a ceteris paribus sitation, which as usual is not the case). But it's at least an indication  Smile
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:08 am

thanks guys!

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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:24 am

CDG and FRA are tied and CDG has several gates yet to open. Meanwhile Lufthansa is building a second hub in MUC. Should we expect CDG to become #2?
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:52 am

lots of expansion plans for AMS, with the demand they can double in 2014, but regulations stops them from doing that...
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:07 pm

I thought Milano Malpensa was more busy than Roma Fiumicino...oh, well...  Smile
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 11):
but regulations stops them from doing that...

Hey Maurice!

Thanks for that post. Could you please send me a message (or post on here) why there is regulation in place to control growth at AMS? I am really interested to know more about this  Smile
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 13):
Thanks for that post. Could you please send me a message (or post on here) why there is regulation in place to control growth at AMS? I am really interested to know more about this

It is a noise regulation. AMS is only allowed to generate so much cumulative noise over various sectors of the city during a year.

Normally by about Novemeber there are certain runways that can't even be used because that sector of the city has reached the limit for overflight noise.

I know when I lived in the Jordaan section of AMS the NW DC-10s made so much noise you wondered if they were going to make it!

[Edited 2005-07-02 17:35:14]

go to http://www.schiphol.nl/ click on "The Schiphol group" Environment and then click on NOMOS you will see the indcatation of all the sound measeuring devices around the city, mouse over and you can see the decibel levels.

It is not available in English I am afraid.

It is a VERY cool though!

[Edited 2005-07-02 17:46:51]
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 14):

Wow, I am surprised to see this information. One would have expected that they would do something about it (different SID/STAR, or redistribute traffic) Thanks for your reply!
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:06 am

You are very welcome.

If you click on the tab below the city diagram you can see the top 10 noise events in the last 24 hours.

5 747-400s
1 DC10
2 747-300's
1 747-100
1 MD83
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:45 am

Is it me or is LTN not on that list?????
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 17):
Is it me or is LTN not on that list?????

LTN is not on that list.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:09 am

In 2004, CDG surpassed Frankfurt for the FIRST time as Europe's second busiest airport with 51.3 million passengers, which represents an evolution of 6.3 % with 2003, while Frankfurt handled 51.1 million. ORY handled 24 million passengers (+7.1%/2003). So the figures that Munich posted are not good for CDG. It's great to see ORY increases again.
About CDG, I think it has one of the biggest potential in Europe, as there is the Satellite S3 in construction which will be able to handle 9 or 10 million passengers, and an other new terminal dedicated to regional operations is expected to be built just near the satellite S3.
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:31 am

Oh, I forget to tell my source for the figures concerning CDG and ORY : the UCCEGA, which controls french airports.
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:52 am

Has anyone information regarding the percentage of transferring passengers?
I guess that Frankfurt generates approx. 50% connecting passengers, whereas CDG or LHR are likely to be weaker. Frankfurt is a small but nice city, but there is almost no leisure or tourism traffic terminating in FRA.
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:05 pm

THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST!

Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 17):
Is it me or is LTN not on that list?????

I noticed it too.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
LTN is not on that list

Hmmmmmm. Why?

Luton and these other airports must surely have more than the 12,000 pax of #88 Liegge.

What about Belfast?
What about Exeter?
What about Cardiff?
What about Bristol?
What about Rotterdam?
What about Moscow Sheremeteyevo and Vnukovo?
What about Bratislava?
What about Kiev?
What about Belgrade?
What about Thessaloniki?
What about Dresden?
What about Berlin Schonefeld and Templehof?
What about Naples?
What about Olbia?
What about Palermo?
What about Bern?
What about Ajaccio?
What about Clermont-Ferrand?
What about Liverpool?
What about Newcastle?
What about Salzburg?

I think you all get the idea.....
This list is very incomplete. The bottom is 12,000 passengers. I would bet everyone of these airports had more than that for the month of Dec2004.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:38 pm

Quoting AF B777-300 (Reply 19):
In 2004, CDG surpassed Frankfurt for the FIRST time as Europe's second busiest airport with 51.3 million passengers, which represents an evolution of 6.3 % with 2003, while Frankfurt handled 51.1 million. ORY handled 24 million passengers (+7.1%/2003). So the figures that Munich posted are not good for CDG. It's great to see ORY increases again.

I think, you are not right AF B777-300. I know the preliminary ACI-Stats, where CDG is with 51,260,363 and +6.3% is in front of FRA (51,098,271 +5.7%) but it is improbable.

I'm collecting passenger- and movement-statistics since years ago and the experience shows, that the figures at the ACI-Europe-Page are normaly more exact as the figures on the ACI-World-Website.

The other reason is, I (have) collect(ed) the monthly stats from airports-/ goverments-websites and there is also CDG barely behind FRA and 3rd on this French website there is CDG with 50,951,316 passengers also behind FRA (look at page 59.

But we will see. The finally stats by ACI World are normally available in September every year.

Btw. This year (Jan.-Apr.) CDG ist a little bit more in front of FRA like in th same time last year.

CDG 2005 Jan-Apr.: 16,128,925 | +4.11% - 2004 Jan.-Apr.: 15,492,319

FRA 2004 Jan-Apr.: 15,594,184 | +1.04% - 2004 Jan.-Apr.: 15,433,581


I think this year CDG will pass FRA, also finally.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting OSA330 (Reply 21):
Has anyone information regarding the percentage of transferring passengers?
I guess that Frankfurt generates approx. 50% connecting passengers

Yes, last year round about 55%
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:51 pm

hi FlyAUA , its indeed a noise problem... this is why they plan to make LEY (lelystad) The second airport of the Netherlands with about 20% of the current AMS loads (Charters and LCC).

AMS could handle at the moment about 50% more traffic, and a lot of airlines aply for slots at AMS.. However the government and the people living around AMS (not me  Wink) make sure new airlines can't land here during the noise regulations. Unfortunatly those people don't understand that without AMS , the whole region around it wouldn't be so big since a lot of people work at AMS or theire work is related with AMS
 
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:52 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 22):
THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST!

Stirling, you are right! This isnt a complete list. All listed Airports are menmbers by ACI-Europe, if not, they are not listed.

It's the same with american airports on the ACI-North-America-Website, where was HNL long time, now you find it on rank 24 with 21,971,556 passengers. Only for completeness, in the worldwide ranking in my stats HNL is on rank 44.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:01 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 11):
lots of expansion plans for AMS, with the demand they can double in 2014, but regulations stops them from doing that..

There was a very nice article in the newspaper "Het Parool" last week regarding the future of Schiphol. There's a board here in The Netherlands who gives advice to the government regarding traffic and watermanagement (Raad van V&W). They said that all regulations on Schiphol needs to be loosened in order to ensure more (economic and safer) growth of the airport.

The board also said that in order to make this growth possible, the neighboring cities around Schiphol may not be allowed to expand towards the airport anymore and that complete cityblocks need to be demolished. This last measure will result in more safe airwaves to and from the airport, but also minimizes the noise pollution.

I'm very curious how things will continue to develop in the coming years.

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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:04 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 25):

AMS could handle at the moment about 50% more traffic, and a lot of airlines aply for slots at AMS.. However the government and the people living around AMS (not me ) make sure new airlines can't land here during the noise regulations. Unfortunatly those people don't understand that without AMS , the whole region around it wouldn't be so big since a lot of people work at AMS or theire work is related with AMS

It is indeed a shame when airport operations are capped becuase of people that keep complaining. They don't realise the economic benefits coupled with the growth of the airport. Something that will never cease to amaze me: why do people live near an airport if they don't like the noise? The airport is not exactly going to get smaller and quieter now is it!?  banghead 

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 27):
There was a very nice article in the newspaper "Het Parool" last week regarding the future of Schiphol.

Hey, could you send me the link to that if there is an online version? Thanks! Don't worry about Dutch, I'm fluent  Wink
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:11 pm

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 28):
Hey, could you send me the link to that if there is an online version? Thanks! Don't worry about Dutch, I'm fluent

The link: http://www.parool.nl/nieuws/2005/JUN/30/p1.html This is just a smaller version of the article. If you want to read the whole, you need to search it in the archive and pay for it.

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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 29):

So for those that are interested, it's basically on about how AMS will be buying out the area close to the aerodrome and preventing further residents from moving here, while also mentioning the possibility of doing the same for an even larger area around the airport, in the future. The cost of compensating these people will vary between 100 and 500 million EUR per year. Correct me if I'm wrong!

In my view this is certainly the way forward. There was also mention of making people sign a waiver if they DID decide to move to this area which makes sense. Either you get your money and bugger off, or you come here and have no rights regarding the noise! It sounds harsh but it's the best thing to do. It would be silly to constrain capacity at a major airport like this because of some upset residents.
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RE: Biggest Airports In Europe

Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:30 pm

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 15):
Wow, I am surprised to see this information. One would have expected that they would do something about it (different SID/STAR, or redistribute traffic) Thanks for your reply!

They already changed the SIDS and STARS many times. ATC even uses different routes (away from the standard routes) what causes even more trouble.

Question, ive been wondering this myself.

Isn't it possible to upgrade Rotterdam airport?
There is space avilible on the north side of the airport. (llook at the map)
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=amster...05&spn=0.029232,0.039343&t=k&hl=en
Here they could build facilitys if needed.
Maybe they could change Rotterdam airport into an cargo airport and let them handle all the cargo flights.
That would draw some of the noise away from Schiphol.

Can be me, or I miss something here. But airports need to grow. There is a ot of money involved.
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