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CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:43 am

Just saw on CNN HN a CO 737 evacuated at HOU after reporting some sort of emergency. More info to follow.

Update: busses have arrived plane side to pick up passengers, which are standing in a grassy area "between runways" as reported by CNN HN. If you tune to CNN HN, they have live video of the plane sitting on the runway and the pax standing around after being evacuated. Apparently video is from affiliate KPRC in Houston. http://www.kprc.com

[Edited 2005-07-01 21:46:47]

Update: FAA reporting gate holds and airborne delays of 15 minutes at this time.

[Edited 2005-07-01 21:54:47]
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:59 am

It was at IAH, not HOU. Then again, KPRC is calling it a 747...  Wink
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:59 am

KPRC has update, apprently the emergency was an engine fire, and the aircraft departed IAH for CLE, flight 744, and turned around and landed at IAH, not HOU as earlier reported.

1 passenger injured during evacuation.

KPRC is reporting it's a 747... ha ha, surely a typo. It's either a 738 or 739.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/4676241/detail.html
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:05 am

According to SABRE, the aircraft was scheduled to be a 738.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 2):
KPRC is reporting it's a 747... ha ha, surely a typo. It's either a 738 or 739.

Wow, CO bringing back the 747 today... what a surprise!


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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:32 am

It is a 738 as i reported in my topic i created. QqFlyboy posted his post just as i was posting mine and beat me to it. It is at IAH, the flight was 744.
 
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:54 am

For the record, it's Ship 234 .. N16234
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:58 am

That's what "confused" those insightful news reporters. I mean, why waste time checking facts if it means you won't be "first" to report on a routine event?

A 744 is, of course, a 747-400. Flight CO744 must be too! Big grin
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting Bluejackets (Reply 4):
Wow, CO bringing back the 747 today... what a surprise!

To Cleveland no less!
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:59 am

Jetliner makes emergency landing
July 1, 2005

HOUSTON, Jul 01, 2005 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A Continental Airlines flight bound for Cleveland had to turn back to Houston's Bush Intercontinental Airport Friday after smoke was reported in an engine.

Continental confirmed Flight 744 returned to the airport and landed safely Friday afternoon. A witness on the ground reported seeing flames shooting from one of the 737's engines as it landed, KHOU-TV, Houston, reported.

"I head a rattling noise," said Dean Philpot. "I saw the 737 coming in and it had flames shooting out maybe 15, 20 feet."

The flight carried 155 passengers and five crewmembers. No injuries were reported.

KHOU said the passengers would buses to the terminal and put on another flight to Cleveland.


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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:38 am

You should hear some of the news reports now. "Tonight on the news... Slide for your life!!! See how this Continental flight to Cleveland turned into an amusement park ride!!" I guess they'll say anything for high ratings.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:46 am

If the fire was extingished by the time they stopped on the runway, I am surprised that they didn't hold the pax onboard until a transport bus could arrive.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:06 pm

It doesn't sound like they shut the engine down in flight after the fire and explosions. Wouldn't it have been the right thing to do? Or maybe the news reports just missed that point?
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:34 pm

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):

The last thing that you want to do is leave the passengers on a plane that is/was burning. You don't know for 100% sure that the fire is totally extinguished, and you don't want to have to hustle 155 scared people off using half the available exits in 90 seconds.

The landing wasn't too smooth either, the two right main gear tires blew out so I know that those PAX got jarred pretty well.
 
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:40 pm

If the fire was licking the wing/belly as stated by witnesses (who are rarely accurate, so it is a big IF), those tires likely blew from heating during deployment either before or on touchdown.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:02 pm

WOw. Pretty scary none-the-less. I know I'd be a little worried if they fire wasn't put out quickly by the supression system.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting Erj-145mech (Reply 13):
The landing wasn't too smooth either, the two right main gear tires blew out so I know that those PAX got jarred pretty well.

Or it may be that the tires went flat after landing, AFTER the fuse plugs melted as they're designed to do. The flight was airborne for only 17 minutes, with a full passenger load and this was undoubtedly an overweight landing. Therefore, the gear would absorb a lot of energy (heat) and the fuse plugs would melt to prevent other (uncontrolled) damage.
One more thing, the 737-800 has a required crew of 6 (2 pilots, 4 flight attendants), not 5 as reported.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:54 pm

Some CO 738s have 150 seats. If they only market 149 seats, can they get away with 3 F/As?
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Some CO 738s have 150 seats. If they only market 149 seats, can they get away with 3 F/As?

Some of CO's B737-800 have 150 seats and some have 155 seats. the configuration is 18/132 or 14/141. It depends on whether the mid-cabin lavatory is installed.

Four flight attendants are required at all times since it is based on the number of seats installed, not marketed.
 
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:29 am

150 seats only requires 3. One flight attendant for every 50 passengers.

TZ has 200 seats on 752s and requires only 4.

Just for the record.

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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 19):
150 seats only requires 3. One flight attendant for every 50 passengers.

TZ has 200 seats on 752s and requires only 4.

Just for the record

You are absolutely correct. After doing some checking I found that CO is approved for operating the 150 seat configuration with three fa's. However, they normally schedule all -800's with four flight attendants.
 
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 16):
One more thing, the 737-800 has a required crew of 6 (2 pilots, 4 flight attendants), not 5 as reported.

Once again, the news media was in error...
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:32 am

Whatever the engine issue was.. They either fixed it on wing or did a change overnight.. Ship 234 was back in service today ... IAH BZE IAH PBI
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting Erj-145mech (Reply 13):
The landing wasn't too smooth either, the two right main gear tires blew out so I know that those PAX got jarred pretty well.

Landing was fine. As noted in a later post the fuse plugs blew after the brake was set.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
If the fire was licking the wing/belly as stated by witnesses (who are rarely accurate, so it is a big IF), those tires likely blew from heating during deployment either before or on touchdown

One of the tv stations had a still pic of the plane while airborne with a little bit of flame coming out the number 2 engine. Crew got rave reviews from the passengers on handling of situation.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:10 am

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 22):
Whatever the engine issue was.. They either fixed it on wing or did a change overnight.. Ship 234 was back in service today ... IAH BZE IAH PBI

Awesome job by the mechanics. WOW, that is an amazing turn around, isn't it.

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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 23):
One of the tv stations had a still pic of the plane while airborne with a little bit of flame coming out the number 2 engine. Crew got rave reviews from the passengers on handling of situation.

that's what I figured. ground witnesses are some of the worst. I'm surprised some didn't claim to see a missile spewing fire and heading for the plane...
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:17 pm

Ah, so that explains it. I was at IAH for hour or so from a diversion on a US flight from PHL-DFW. I spent 7+ hours on a completely full 733! Anyways, I noticed that a bunch of helicopters were hovering just outside the airport property and as we were taxing to take off I saw a bunch of busses moving in the opposite direction. I figured it was an emergency but I couldn't see what was happening.

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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:09 pm

Any Pics Available.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:12 pm

Sorry about the delay--but here is a pic taken from KHOU.com
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting Bluejackets (Reply 4):
Wow, CO bringing back the 747 today... what a surprise!

well, it is the July 4 travel season...full flights=equipment changes  Wink

Quoting Richardnhsv (Reply 9):
KHOU said the passengers would buses to the terminal and put on another flight to Cleveland.

Great grammer, media!

Quoting Flyinround731 (Reply 10):
You should hear some of the news reports now. "Tonight on the news... Slide for your life!!! See how this Continental flight to Cleveland turned into an amusement park ride!!" I guess they'll say anything for high ratings.

and the other station:
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:42 am

Perhaps this is a naive question, but why would the pilots continue to operate this engine and not shut it down?

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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:41 am

The pic could have been taken on take-off--the pic is a little to blurry for me to tell by the flaps.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 31):
The pic could have been taken on take-off--the pic is a little to blurry for me to tell by the flaps.

Well, I guess, since the single-engine landing flap setting (position 15) is also a takeoff flap setting, but it wouldn't answer the question of why a TV news crew was in position so quickly to catch the takeoff.

If the flight took off at the reported 1:05pm and landed at 2:15pm, that's 70 minutes out and back, or about :35 to the problem/turn around point and back to IAH, plenty of time for the TV folks to scramble out to the airport for the landing.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:24 am

The pic was taken by some Houstonians that happened to have a camera--they sent it in to KHOU. News didn't get out there until the jet landed.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:26 am

thanks for the  photo , Drerx7.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:15 pm

"One of the tv stations had a still pic of the plane while airborne with a little bit of flame coming out the number 2 engine."

I wonder if the always active IAH Spotters got a pic? Naaaaaathan?
 
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 16):
The flight was airborne for only 17 minutes, with a full passenger load and this was undoubtedly an overweight landing.



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 32):
If the flight took off at the reported 1:05pm and landed at 2:15pm, that's 70 minutes out and back, or about :35 to the problem/turn around point and back to IAH, plenty of time for the TV folks to scramble out to the airport for the landing.

The flight was off the ground for only 17 minutes. Please don't confuse the departure time (time when departing the gate) with take off (airborne) time.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:37 am

I'm quite familar with OOOI times; I was only going off the times mentioned in the news reports...
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:41 am

A co-worker of my dad's was on that flight. Evidently he heard a loud bang but thought it was a galley cart or something... then he heard it again and the airplane shuddered. He wasn't sure what was happening when the airplane shuddered again and started losing altitude. Evidently someone then yelled "the engine's on fire!" After they landed they had to sit on the airplane for a few minutes before being evacuated and, according to him, the smell of jet fuel in the cabin was so great he was afraid the airplane would explode. Mind you this guy's an ATC so when he starts getting worried, you know it musta felt pretty serious.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:43 pm

What was the Cause.Turbine Distress.
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RE: CO 737 Evacuates At HOU

Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 29):

Great grammer, media!

Great grammar, FLAirport!

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