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Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:43 am

Do CRJ-200s have jumpseats? I didnt think they did since the cockpit is pretty small... I have never been on a CRJ so I do not know...
 
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:55 am

I'm just gonna take a guess at this. But I would think that they have a small jump-seat that folds down from the back of the cockpit door, such as on the Dash 8's.
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:57 am

Well... thanks.... anyways to add on to the question, does anyone know Delta ASA's policy on flying jumpseat... my cousin is a PIC on the CRJ on the route I am flying on July 28... I havent talked to him for a few months...but do you think there would be any chance it would be ok for my to fly in the jumpseat? I would think not...but its not going to hurt to ask...
 
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:58 am

They sure do. Between the cockpit door and the captains seat, on the left is a slot where the jumpseat can be pulled out. Although its there, its not very comfortable!

Whoops. You beat me to it. In fact, I know ASA's policy first hand and the sad answer is no. In fact, its very dificult to ride jumpseat without being a pilot for ASA. In fact, I dont think the CEO can even fly jumpseat (pretty sure he doesnt have his comercial.) Basicly, for ASA, and Im pretty sure any other american airline, you have to be a pilot or in training and have up through your comerical rating. Hope that answers your question.
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:01 pm

Dont even try. Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots. Even other airline pilots arent alowed in DL cockpits. Dispatchers used to be able to jumpseat pre 9/11. Now even they cant do it.
 
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:02 pm

Here's a pic I found, according to the photographer, it was taken from the observers seat...

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As far as riding the jumpseat, you're most likely out of luck. Sorry. I'd ask anyways, you never know!

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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting Lando (Thread starter):
Do CRJ-200s have jumpseats? I didnt think they did since the cockpit is pretty small... I have never been on a CRJ so I do not know...

Having never seen the front office of a CRJ-200, I can't say but, IIRC, the FARs require there be an "observers seat" on the flightdeck of every commercial aircraft for FAA-type inspection people so I would be a bit suprised if there weren't one.

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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:03 pm

Well I meant ask my cousin....because the worst thing he could say is no...and tell me why... which isnt going to hurt anything... but if its that strict in rules...I might as well not...
 
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):



Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):
Dont even try. Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots

Where did you get that from? We have Airtran pilots jumpseat on ASA all the time and ASA pilots jumpseat on Airtran, American etc.? As long as you are a pilot, you can jumpseat (of course at the captain's discretion!)


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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:17 pm

OK... I can't find exactly what I remember reading, but here's this from FAR part 135.75:

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§ 135.75 Inspectors credentials: Admission to pilots’ compartment: Forward observer's seat.

(a) Whenever, in performing the duties of conducting an inspection, an FAA inspector presents an Aviation Safety Inspector credential, FAA Form 110A, to the pilot in command of an aircraft operated by the certificate holder, the inspector must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot compartment of that aircraft. However, this paragraph does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the pilot compartment in the interest of safety.

(b) A forward observer's seat on the flight deck, or forward passenger seat with headset or speaker must be provided for use by the Administrator while conducting en route inspections. The suitability of the location of the seat and the headset or speaker for use in conducting en route inspections is determined by the Administrator.
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:22 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 9):
OK... I can't find exactly what I remember reading, but here's this from FAR part 135.75:

The airline in question is a Part 121 operator, and not a Part 135 operator. As such, you might try 121.547...  Wink
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:44 am

Zsx81...you forgot certain FAA people. I know one, personally, who sits in the jumpseat almost every flight he takes. So, there is a slight exception to only DL pilots..
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):
Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots. Even other airline pilots arent alowed in DL cockpits. Dispatchers used to be able to jumpseat pre 9/11.

Up until 9/11, all air traffic controllers were allowed to ride Jumpseat on a space available basis on any US carrier, including cargo. The FAM program was suspended so that airport identification could be standardized and made less easy to fabricate. Even though that happened, the FAA has not reinstated FAM
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:39 am

From this first question I've got another. In the catagory of aircraft "airliners" are in is it a requirement to have a jumpseat to allow for check rides by FAA?
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:47 am

Juanchie,

Officers of the corporation, usually have access to the jumpseat through the Ops Specs. approved through the FAA.
 
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting Juanchie (Reply 8):
Where did you get that from? We have Airtran pilots jumpseat on ASA all the time and ASA pilots jumpseat on Airtran, American etc.? As long as you are a pilot, you can jumpseat (of course at the captain's discretion!)

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you have to be an airline participating in the CASS program in order to legally do this. ZW is not yet, so even though AA pilots can jumpseat on United in the cockpit, they cannot on ZW. At ZW you have to be a pilot or a dispatcher of United or any United Express carrier to gain cockpit access. Of course, if we have room in the back, welcome aboad, at the captains discretion.

This policy will likely change with the USAirways transition, but I have been told United will still give us flight deck access on mainline, a priviledge I really enjoy.
 
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:07 am

Some of those seats are pretty funky on the small jets.

The BAe-146/Avro has a seat that first slides out from behind the copilot seat, then unfolds. To get into it, you have to lean forward over the throttle quadrant with your hands on the glareshield while the copilot deploys it. I was just waiting for turbulence to hit Big grin
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RE: Probably A Stupid Question But I Am Going To Ask

Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):
Dont even try. Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots. Even other airline pilots arent alowed in DL cockpits. Dispatchers used to be able to jumpseat pre 9/11. Now even they cant do it.

Incorrect. Pilots, dispatchers, and mechanics for that airline are the only ones allowed to jumpseat in the cockpit. For personnel of other airlines, they have to be verified, usually electronically, to sit up front.

Dispatchers not only are allowed the jumpseat, but it is MANDATORY that they put in at least 5 hours per year per type (prop, or jet.)
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