AirAmericaC46
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Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:34 pm

What are the economics of multi-stop flights coming back?

For USA domestic, UA can interconnect hub airports with stops at cities/towns that may offer government subsidy for providing "essential air service".

Example: UA A319 daily JFK-IAD-ParkersburgWV-ORD-SheridanWY-DEN-Ely-SFO-LAX Total 7 stops JFK-LAX

or is it more economical and get the same government subsidy if the flight is once a week:

Example: UA Embraer 170 JFK-IAD-CumberlandMD-ORD-CapeGiradeauMO-DEN-
-WinnemuccaNV-SFO-LAX on Mondays
UA Embraer 170 JFK-IAD-PaducahKY-ORD-Scottsbluff-DEN-PendletonOR-SFO-LAX on Tuesdays
Any other route suggestions for the other days??

I will post my route suggestions for international next time.
 
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:53 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Southwest has plenty of these flights, though they don't market them that way.
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Cubsrule
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:17 pm

I guess I'd sort of classify these as niche flights. WN has plenty of them and it works well for them, and I guess LA would be a good example in another part of the world (I'm thinking of Chilean domestic, though everything starts or ends in SCL), but I don't see a compelling reason for what you propose for a carrier like UA. How does the current model fail? Why is that one superior?
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jasepl
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:40 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
I guess I'd sort of classify these as niche flights....I guess LA would be a good example in another part of the world

As would Air India. I don't know the exact number, but the vast majority of their 'flights' have anywhere between 1 and 3 or 4 stops. And not all stops are in the direction of the destination either!  crazy 
 
luvfa
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:48 am

Yes we do have quite a few of those "bus stop routes" We tend to use our 300's in that capacity for our smaller airports/markets. One such route is TPA-SAT-PHX-BUR-SMF-PDX. Of course rservations is limited to two stops. The furthest you could book a ticket on that route would be i.e. TPA-BUR. The 700's tend to be more long haul, i.e. ISP-MDW-SEA.
 
dutchjet
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:50 am

I dont think that we will see these types of routings coming back - hub operations more or less brought an end to most multi-stop itineraries world wide. Airlines want to get you from one point to another via one (or more) of their hubs without any further enroute stops.

Passengers want nonstop flights, and will put up with a hub connection (that is how the system now works), but have little interest in multi-stop itineraries.

Multi-stop itineraries made much more sense years ago when passenger numbers were less and long range aircaft that we now take for granted did not exist.

India is mentioned above, yes, Air India still operates some pretty complicated itineraries - but those flights are travelling very long distances and India is a huge nation. With the recent explosion in aircraft orders by Indian carriers, I am sure that in the coming years we will see more and more direct flights within India and to destinations worldwide and the exotic 3 or 4 stop itineraries will be phased out.
 
luvfa
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Passengers want nonstop flights, and will put up with a hub connection (that is how the system now works), but have little interest in multi-stop itineraries

Agreed,
Which is why WN is taking more deliveries of the 700 to offer 1-stop coast to coast travel. Still, flying a 737 to smaller airports sometimes results in multi-stop flights!
 
jasepl
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RE: Probability Of Multi-stop Flights Come Back

Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:01 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
those flights are travelling very long distances and India is a huge nation.

That's not always true Dutchjet. Air India have a particular knack of turning simple 4-hour non-stop flights into 11-hour horrors. Or something like that.

Yes, even AI are changing and adding the odd non-stop here and there, but they still come up with some gobsmackers. A couple of recent ones:

* MU does BOM-PVG and AI comes up with BOM-DEL-BKK-PVG
* AC does DEL-YYZ and AI comes up with DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ
* KE does BOM-ICN and AI comes up with BOM-DEL-BKK-ICN

Impervious!