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BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:43 pm

More that probably this topic has been already discussed but... Would somebody let me know how many 777/747 BA operates? I believe all 777s are 772s and the 747s are 744s.

Has BA got the largest widebody fleet?
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:59 pm

Quoting ARGinLON (Thread starter):
Has BA got the largest widebody fleet?

No, but their widebody fleet is not insignificant.. As of now they have 131 widebody aircraft (57 744s, 43 772s, 21 763ERs).

Quoting ARGinLON (Thread starter):
I believe all 777s are 772s and the 747s are 744s.

All 747s at BA have been -400s for a few years now. They have 57 of the type.

All 777s are 777-200 models. Most are -200ER, with a handful of -200A models. Power for the 772's is mixed GE90 and RR Trent 800 (Trent 800 models are the longest ranged models at BA).

3 of their 772s are A models, 24 are lower gross weight 772ER models (listed at BA as 772IGW), 16 are high gross weight 772ERs. That makes a total of 43 777 aircraft. The 772As and 772IGWs are GE90 powered with the 772ERs being RR Trent 800 powered
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:21 pm

Thank you. That's very impressive. 57 744s.... I know AF is more or less on those numbers.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:28 pm

JAL is the largest 747 fleet..
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:06 pm

Top 10 Biggest wide body operators:
FedEx 79 x DC-10, 41 x MD-11, 101 x A-300/310 = 221
JAL 72 x 747, 18 x A-300, 36 x 767, 32 x 777 = 158
American 77 x 767, 45 x 777, 34 x A-300 = 156
BA 57 x 747, 21 x 767, 43 x 777= 131
Delta 119 x 767, 8 x 777 = 127
United 31 x 747, 37 x 767, 52 x 777 = 120
Lufthansa 18 x MD-11, 14 x A-300, 10 x A-330, 40 x A-340, 30 x 747= 112
ANA 26 x 747, 52 x 767, 28 x 777 = 106
Air France 33 x 747, 35 x 777, 16 x A-330, 21 x A-340 = 105
Singapore 41 x 747, 58 x 777, 5 x A340 = 104
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:53 pm

I believe BA has the largest B744 fleet as a lot of JAL's 747 fleet is made up of classics. Correct me if I'm wrong...
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:56 pm

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 2):
Thank you. That's very impressive. 57 744s.... I know AF is more or less on those numbers.

I believe AF only has 16 747-400s
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:19 pm

I think AF has 22 747-400, 2 747-300, 30 747-200 and 18 747-100 totaling 72. Many of those are cargo only.
777's I think they have 11 773 and 25 772
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:28 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 5):
I believe BA has the largest B744 fleet as a lot of JAL's 747 fleet is made up of classics. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Yes BA have the largest 744 fleet.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:37 pm

Quote:
I believe BA has the largest B744 fleet as a lot of JAL's 747 fleet is made up of classics.

I think something like this was raised before: JAL do have a mix of 747-100/200/300 AND 400, but still have more 744's than BA. I will try and find out how many they do have.

Sorry, I've just counted about 42 or 43 744's for JAL. BA does have the most 744's!!!

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:49 pm

according to planespotters.net, JAL have 44 744s compared to BA's 57
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):
American 77 x 767, 45 x 777, 34 x A-300 = 156



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):
Delta 119 x 767, 8 x 777 = 127

I am very surprised to see AA and DAL do not have any B747. I would love to see a B747 in the AA colours.
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 11):
I am very surprised to see AA and DAL do not have any B747. I would love to see a B747 in the AA colours.

Quantity of flights rather than quantity of seats.

The American (not AA, I guess the USA) way.

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:36 am

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 2):
I know AF is more or less on those numbers.

AF is no where close to BA for 747s

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 7):
30 747-200 and 18 747-100

Since when does AF have 741s anymore? 30 742s? I don't think so. AF has 36 total 747s. 13 742s, 9 743s and 19 744s

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
The American (not AA, I guess the USA) way.

Actually, it is something more specific to AA. AA has many routes that would justify a 747, but Bob Crandall once stated he would rather turn people away from a 763 (no 772 then) than fly out a 747 half full. DL's reasoning is the fact that their strength for a long time was their domestic flights, particularly channeling through ATL and they rely on grabbing some O&D from ATL and JFK, meaning 767s do them well
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:37 am

I would love to see a B747 in the AA colours.

Here they were:

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...8American%20Airlines%29&maxres=500
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:32 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
AF has 36 total 747s. 13 742s, 9 743s and 19 744s

No. Total = 33, with only 21 of them carrying pax (still quite a lot IMO!!!)
200s = 11 (8 of them are cargos)
300s = 2
400s = 20 (4 of them are cargos, the newest 744ERF, of which AF was the launch customer)

Here's a reliable source:
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/?file=ficheopp&opp=Air%20France

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:01 am

My very first flight was on a AA 747 LAX-JFK in 1971.

To show how security has changed since then, while we were waiting for the flight to board, my father (who was seeing me off) managed to get an AA CSR to let him take a tour of the aircraft before the flight was open for general boarding.

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:27 am

which company has the largest number of aircraft.(all kinds of aircraft)
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting Aircanada333 (Reply 17):
which company has the largest number of aircraft.(all kinds of aircraft)

AA I believe.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 15):
No. Total = 33, with only 21 of them carrying pax (still quite a lot IMO!!!)
200s = 11 (8 of them are cargos)
300s = 2
400s = 20 (4 of them are cargos, the newest 744ERF, of which AF was the launch customer)

I got the info off their US type certificate. Things have changed I guess

Quoting VS74741R (Reply 18):
Quoting Aircanada333 (Reply 17):
which company has the largest number of aircraft.(all kinds of aircraft)

AA I believe.

AA by far. Over 700 at AA alone.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):
Singapore 41 x 747, 58 x 777, 5 x A340 = 104

SQ hasn't had the A340 for a few years now...
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 20):
SQ hasn't had the A340 for a few years now...

Really? I wonder if Airbus knows that Boeing stepped up certification of the 772LR and SQ already picked up 5 of them to replace the A345s they just got 2 years ago or so.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:47 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 20):
SQ hasn't had the A340 for a few years now...

I do think their A345 fleet is running still...
albeit being subbed for on occasion by 772ERs

The A343 fleet left some years ago..
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:54 am

BA has an excellent service around the world because of these great widebodies; so do you thing BA should get some more B744´s? Or What about the new T7´s?
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 22):
albeit being subbed for on occasion by 772ERs

That is because of ill planned MX
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 11):
I am very surprised to see AA and DAL do not have any B747. I would love to see a B747 in the AA colours.

As shown AA did have 747s. DC-10s and 767s replaced most of them (with more frequency), but they kept/added some 747SPs to go to Tokyo. Then they switched to MD11s, then finally 772ERs which replaced DC-10s and MD11s.

AA always used the 747 for their range more than their capacity, so when other planes came with that range (MD11, 777), they moved to them.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):
kept/added some 747SPs to go to Tokyo.

They brought them in from TWA to do DFW-NRT while waiting for the MD-11 to be delivered. They went mostly to BRU to flesh out their lease term.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):
AA always used the 747 for their range more than their capacity

That is only really the case with the SP. The 741s were used on high density domestic routes like LAX-JFK. You are right though, that is why they put out the RFP that brought about both the DC-10 and L1011
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:29 am

The 741s were used that way until the smaller DC10s came into fleetwide service. At the time of the 747 launch, it was a choice of 741/2 or much smaller and less efficient narrowbody. Everyone who was allowed to do transcon was using 747s. I flew AA, UA as a kid on 747s NY to LA all the time (though UA did run DC8s on those routes as well), until the DC10s came for AA. Then it was DC10s all the time, until the 767s came, then it was either or...

Once the MD-11s came, they used them DFW-NRT, SJC-NRT (via OAK), and where else? South America? DFW-LHR? DC-10s and 767s covered most of their other routes until the 777s came online.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
Once the MD-11s came, they used them DFW-NRT, SJC-NRT (via OAK), and where else? South America? DFW-LHR? DC-10s and 767s covered most of their other routes until the 777s came online.

In 1998, they were used SEA-NRT, MIA-EZE, DFW-MIA, DFW-ORD, ORD-LHR, and BOS-SJC (con't to NRT), among others.

The last four MD11s, which were retired sometime in 2001, IIRC, were used exclusively on DFW-SCL and DFW-GRU.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:41 am

Not to drag up a point from ages ago (well, yesterday), but:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
3 of their 772s are A models, 24 are lower gross weight 772ER models (listed at BA as 772IGW), 16 are high gross weight 772ERs... The 772As and 772IGWs are GE90 powered with the 772ERs being RR Trent 800 powered

Interesting. Are the highest weights on the 772ER unavailable with the GE90, or was this just due to them being unavailable at the time of the 772ER's introduction back in the day? And what's this I hear about an IGW>ER conversion programme?  Smile

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 29):
Are the highest weights on the 772ER unavailable with the GE90

Both the Trent 800 and the GE-90 can do the full 656,000. Only the PW4000 is restricted to 648,000

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 29):
And what's this I hear about an IGW>ER conversion programme?

Well, would take an engine uprate and an MTOW sign off.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Quoting San747 (Reply 20):
SQ hasn't had the A340 for a few years now...



Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Really?

How embarrasing!! I totally forgot about the A345s, my train of thought was focusing on the A343s.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:23 pm

Speaking of British Airway's 747-400s: why does G-CIVY have signatures all over the upper part of it's fuselage? I saw it at Vancouver today (Monday) operating flight 86 to London, but unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me.
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:34 pm

My signature is on that!

Its a petition for the 2012 olympics, you could have sent your name via their website a few months back.

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:08 pm

BA Olympic 747:any News? (by RootsAir Jul 4 2005 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:48 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Well, would take an engine uprate and an MTOW sign off.

Have most operators availed themselves of this do you know?

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RE: BA 747/777 Fleet

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:38 pm

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 35):
Have most operators availed themselves of this do you know?

There are not really all that many operators of the "mid level" 772ER. BA and SQ are 2 of them and seem content with the status quo
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