kaitak
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Swift, Sharp Shock For Air Rage Passengers!

Wed Apr 26, 2000 4:02 am

An Irish newspaper, the Independent, reports today that two brothers were arrested yesterday morning after using threatening, abusive and insulting behaviour on an Aer Lingus flight from Newark to Shannon.

They were brought before a special sitting of Ennis (a small town near Shannon) District Court TODAY, where one got 4 months and a £700 ($1000) fine and the other got 3 mos. and a fine of £500 (c.$700).

They won't do that again in a hurry.

As an Irish lawyer myself, I was quite surprised at the speed of this - and pleasantly so. Air rage, although more common, is still in its infancy (and hopefully won't get much further); swift and decisive action like this sends out the right kind of message. After a few months in Limerick (affectionately known as "stab city") Prison, they'll have got the message.
 
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RE: Good For The Irish Courts!

Wed Apr 26, 2000 4:11 am

Hey can we get some of those Irish judges here in Boston?

We get a couple of those air rage cases every year and these people get nothing but a slap on the wrist 99 percent of the time! The FAA and the courts say that they view air rage just as serious as a hijacking yet they never "throw the book" at anyone!

It's about time someone comes down on those who put everyone on board at risk!
 
ctbarnes
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RE: Swift, Sharp Shock For Air Rage Passengers!

Wed Apr 26, 2000 4:25 am

While I applaud the swift, decisive action of Aer Lingus and the Irish courts Kaitak mentions, every time I hear of a case like this I cannot help but wonder if airlines, government regulatory bodies (FAA, CAA, etc.), or IATA have done a comprehensive study of the problem and its undrelying causes? Crowded aircraft, smoking bans, stressed out passengers and crew, and free booze have all been anecdotally cited. If we are to solve this problem once and for all, we need to identify and act on the root problems, as well as sending a clear signal to passengers, as in the above example, that this form of behavior is simply not acceptable.

Charles
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
 
avion
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RE: Swift, Sharp Shock For Air Rage Passengers!

Wed Apr 26, 2000 4:33 am

Have you ever wondered why there was never any saudi arabian aircraft hijacked or why no air rage occurs on Saudia? For air rage the lest penalty is 10 years prison and for hijacking the death penalty immediately. I think this is way to draconic but i wanted to let you know how other countries deal with air rage.

Avion
 
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You Have A Point Ctbarnes..however

Wed Apr 26, 2000 4:41 am

Charles, you are absolutely correct with your comments. The problems and issues you have raised are very true indeed! Especially the point concerning alcohol since that seems to be the culprit 99% of the time!

However, that does not excuse the behavior that some of these people have exhibited, particularly these gentlemen who were booked in Ireland yesterday.

The vast majority of the travelling public know how to behave on a airplane, just like most know how to behave on a train or a bus.

I am an ex-smoker and I know how difficult it used to be to fly without having that Marlboro! Yet I am not going to attack a flight attendant or threaten fellow passengers simply because I can't smoke!




 
ctbarnes
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Point Taken AerLingus A330

Wed Apr 26, 2000 5:05 am

I'm in complete agreement. None of my comments should be interpreted as letting those perpetrate such abuse off the hook. Such behavior is inexcusable and those who practice it should be swiftly and decisively dealt with, and rightly so!

Charles
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
 
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RE: Thanks Ctbarnes

Wed Apr 26, 2000 5:28 am

Thanks Ctbarnes, I agree with everything you had to say and I hope I didn't sound like I was trying to disagree with any of your points because I DO agree with every thing you had to say!  

I was just trying to stress that people shouldn't justify their behavior based on the shortcoming of an airline!

If I recall the US Congress had hearings last year about all the airline issues (the Passengers Bill of Rights?). Despite all the promises of improvements, we still see airline complaints on the rise!  
 
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RE: Avion

Wed Apr 26, 2000 5:47 am

>>>Have you ever wondered why there was never any saudi arabian aircraft hijacked or
why no air rage occurs on Saudia? For air rage the lest penalty is 10 years prison
and for hijacking the death penalty immediately. I think this is way to draconic but i
wanted to let you know how other countries deal with air rage. <<<

Don't forget that Saudia do not serve alcohol on its flights or permit it to be carried aboard by passengers. Alcohol is a major factor in air rage incidents.
 
ctbarnes
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RE: Thanks Ctbarnes

Wed Apr 26, 2000 5:54 am

Far from criticism, I think your comments brought up a much needed clarification of what I initially said. Instead of blaming the system, the airlines, and the environment, and so forth, there comes a point when people simply have to start taking responsibility for their own actions.

BTW: Did you know up until the late 1970's United had a strict policy of allowing only two drinks per passenger?

Charles
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
 
VirginA340
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RE: Swift, Sharp Shock For Air Rage Passengers!

Wed Apr 26, 2000 9:19 am

First; we do need tougher laws and stricter judges We should enforce a law that allows 3 drinks per passenger. Most air rage is alchool related. Don't forget that the Ethiopian 767 was hijacked by drunken passengers. So far I've witnessed 8 airage incidents on my flights in the US and it's gotten out of hand. 5 of the incidents involved in assaulting the flight attendent. We should have courts and judges with all major airports ready to try anyone of airage as soon as the plane diverts from it's flight path due to airrage incidents. The Jail time and fines suould be doubled for convicted offenders and they should be banned for life from flying the airline and it's associated express carriers as well as on their parter codeshare airlines. This will definantly make someone think before starting trouble on an airplane. If someone gets killed it by the person's actions it should be the automatic death penalty. Like it currently is here in the US. If someone on the ground is about to board a plane who is drunk and is or about to be disorderly then ban them from the flight and give the person/persons their money back. The FAA should get of their ass and put laws like I suggested into action. Pilots and all flight attendents should be armed with mace, stun guns and emergency phones with a one button to call for help from the pilots cockpit as well as the controllers on the ground.
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