timz
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Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:17 am

Another auction so more trivia, from the March 1990 North American OAG this time.

This one includes the fare section at the back. New York to Poughkeepsie is $60 on TWA and $163 on AA. On weekdays Poughkeepsie gets 5 prop nonstops from LGA, 3 from JFK and 4 from HPN-- they have no airline service at all now?

Effective 3 March, American's San Jose hub includes jet nonstops from BUR-ORD-DFW-HNL-TVL-LAS-LGB-LAX-ONT-SNA-PSP-PDX-RNO-SAN-SEA-YVR plus a weekly 72S from Hayden thru 24 March. That's their only 72S into SJC. The intra-CA routes still mostly use the ex-AirCal 737s and 146s. 13 flights a day from LAX, 11 from SNA. At least three Metros a day from BFL-ACV-FAT-TVL-MOD-MRY-OAK-RDD-SMF-SFO-SBP-SBA-STS-SCK.

AA also has a weekly 767 to Hayden from EWR. A widebody at an uncontrolled airport-- where else?

How about an AS 72S SEA-RDM-LAX roundtrip, five days a week? USAir has two 146s EUG-LAX and four 146s CCR-LAX, while Westair has three 146s STS-LAX and two TUS-SFO.

Air New Zealand started flying 767s to LAX a few months before-- were they the first to use 180-minute ETOPS?

Enterprise Airlines is still flying Citations-- BWI-CMH-SDF-GSO, JFK-BDL-CMH-MKE.

Why does TW have four L10s a day PBI-LGA?

I didn't know Alpha Air had Convairs. They fly one LAX-BUR-MMH-BIH-BUR-LAX-- leave LAX 1745 arr BUR 1800-- could they really get out of LAX that fast? On the return they arrive BUR 2115, leave 2116, arrive LAX 2130.

Not many A320s in this issue, but NW has one SEA-JFK. I didn't know America West flew to LGA, via Omaha. Northwest still has a hub at Milwaukee, with nonstops from BOS-DTW-LAX-MSN-MEM-MIA-MSP-LGA-MCO-PHL-PHX-SFO-TPA-YYZ-DCA.

USAir has nonstops from BUF to LGA/EWR/JFK, and from ROC, and from SYR. That's USAir, not its prop affiliates.

I didn't know Dominicana had 707s-- daily to JFK.

Airport codes you never heard of: somebody flies J31s LAX-UDD. That's Palm Desert/ Bermuda Dunes.
 
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:25 am

Yeah interesting stuff! If you pull one of those from 89 through 86 they are sure to give some interesting goods as well. Air Travel was so much more interesting back then vs. today. Back then there were so many more routes, airlines, liveries and of course aircraft types. Sigh...
 
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:51 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Why does TW have four L10s a day PBI-LGA?

Yep, TWA was very big in the NYC-West Palm Beach market for a time, for a couple years after Eastern (the original not the second attempt based almost exclusively around Atlanta) closed down and during the period where Pan Am was having all kinds of problems, TWA took a shot at NYC-FLorida flights and did OK....four 1011s per day is a lot, but that was when airlines liked big planes and less frequencies.

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
USAir has nonstops from BUF to LGA/EWR/JFK, and from ROC, and from SYR.

For years, US Air was the big carrier connecting upstate NewYork cities with the NYC airports - dates back from the Mohawk days (Mohawk + Allegheny = US Air). They flew all types on these routes, everything from BAC111s to DC9s and later some 727/737 aircraft. AA also served the BUR/SYR/ROC to LGA routes for many years......in the jet age with BAC111s and then 727s.
 
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Why does TW have four L10s a day PBI-LGA?

Luckily, we have one airliners.net photo of TWA L-1011 in West Palm Beach (year 1993 which is NOT too long ago)


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Dude, 4 L10s PBI-LGA route / day! that is   

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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Airport codes you never heard of: somebody flies J31s LAX-UDD. That's Palm Desert/ Bermuda Dunes.

Wasn't that Air LA? I believe they also flew PHX-UDD briefly as well.
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:59 am

Amazing to compare AA's SJC ops then and now.

What is Hayden?? I've never heard of it before.

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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
On weekdays Poughkeepsie gets 5 prop nonstops from LGA, 3 from JFK and 4 from HPN-- they have no airline service at all now?

The region is served (lightly) by Stewart/Newburgh airport.

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):

Airport codes you never heard of: somebody flies J31s LAX-UDD. That's Palm Desert/ Bermuda Dunes.

Surprised that the airliners.net airport code feature recognizes it.

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 5):

What is Hayden?? I've never heard of it before.

Steamboat Springs, Colorado. Still well served to most US air hubs, including Newark (on CO) during the winter.
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timz
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:33 am

Steamboat Springs has/had two airports; Hayden is the jetable one. First time I heard of it was when PSA started flying there.

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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:44 am

I find it a little bizzare that Poughkeepsie would have so much air service down to the city. Especially in the present day when there is a Metro North train to Grand Central every hour, or thereabouts, plus Amtrak's Empire Service several times a day to New York Penn Station.
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
(Mohawk + Allegheny = US Air)

I believe it's Mohawk + Allegheny = Allegheny, then Piedmont + Allegheny = USAir.

I wanted to make sure my memory was correct about the livery remaining the same during the Allegheny to USAir transition, and here are some photos that confirm it:

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timz
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:58 am

Mohawk (and Lake Central) into Allegheny, which then changed to USAir some years before it merged Piedmont. It may have still had the AL code in 1989, tho.
 
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:24 am

I believe it was in the late 70's/early 80's when the name change to USAir occurred. Well before the mergers with Piedmont and PSA.
 
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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 10):
Mohawk (and Lake Central) into Allegheny, which then changed to USAir some years before it merged Piedmont. It may have still had the AL code in 1989, tho.

It's odd how I remember the Allegheny name hanging on a while longer. Maybe it was the AL code. Anyway, the B11 photos do show a transition during 1981 or before, and then there is this rarity from 1989:

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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:10 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Steamboat Springs, Colorado. Still well served to most US air hubs, including Newark (on CO) during the winter.

For those who might still be confused a bit...Steamboat Springs is home to a fairly big and popular ski resort, hence all the attention...were it not for the skiing, I'd say it probably would not get all the airline attention it currently does...

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RE: Snapshot: March 1990 North Amer OAG Trivia

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:13 pm

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 13):
were it not for the skiing, I'd say it probably would not get all the airline attention it currently does...

It'd be like that puddle-jumper DRO!