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What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:16 am

I've always wanted to be a pilot but I've always thought it was a bit out there,

But what do you need to do ? What exams do you need to take and what process on a whole do you need to take?

I know you need your PPL to begin with but what's next and most importantly do you need to be bill Gates nephew to even have a chance of affording the dream?
 
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:21 am

Here in the US airlines require the PPL, Instrument Rating, ME rating, Commercial certificate, CFI and ATP preferred as well as 4 years of college... plus around 1000 flight hours. And yeah, it gets expensive.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:50 am

The 2 main routes to becoming an airline pilot from scratch in the UK are:

1. Ab-initio with an Airline - lots of competition for so few spaces. A few airlines still provide places for aircrew with little or no flying experience. They will train you and pay for your training. To ensure you don't leave once you've qualified, you normally have to 'bond' yourself to the airline, i.e. pledge to work for them for so many years or you have to cough up the money for your training. You generally need to be educated to at least A level, possibly degree level and be very well presented and very ambitious!

2. Get your licence yourself - fork out about 30-50k, get your PPL, then additional ratings until you eventually get a 'frozen' ATPL (it becomes un-frozen once you've got a job and some hours under your belt). You will eventually get a relatively low paid job with a smaller regional airline, but it's the first step on the ladder and the only way is up (no pun intended). The benefits of this option is that virtually anyone can become a pilot, regardless of education (but you need to be quite bright, as the ATPL exams are not easy).

There is a 3rd option - fly for the RAF/Army/Navy and get a job on civvie street once you've done your time.

It's also worth mentioning you need to be able to get a Class 1 medical, so check the standards and get that 1st.

Best of luck.

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:50 am

The specifics are semantic. Yeah you are going to have to do a lot of difficult work academically, and of course if you are not going to get military flight experience it's going to cost a good bit of money to get your flight experience. The thing to keep in mind is that there are a LOT of people out there who have tried to become carreer pilots. Becomming an airline pilot takes a LOT of dedication, professionalisim, and fortitude. Even if you get an airline job, there's no garantee it's going to be a good one, or that it will lead to a better longer lasting job. The days of globe trotting without worrying about paying the bills back home are extinct. It's a job with a lot of fringe benefits, but it's something you got to take VERY seriously down to the core of your being.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:58 am

"Here in the US airlines require the PPL,"


Not true. I never received a PPL, and have no plans to get one.
 
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:04 am

What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Well- it's sad to say but lot's of money .....
First you have to finance your pilot-training in most of the cases and then you will be confronted with shrinking salaries due to competition from "new developping countries" who produce -many times excellent- pilots ,willing to work for less than the average european would expect a pilot to earn.
Hiring scenario's with some airlines in Spain are horror-proceedures about low-bidding pilot-candidates during interview -sessions.
I don't know about the US or Asia,but in France the small airlines pay misery salaries !!
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:11 am

If you want to be a pilot first you can pay 6000$ to have your private pilot license. After that you can pilot a cessna or/and small aircrafts like that. Then find a school that give the formation of a commercial pilot to get your commercial pilot license. After that you have to start with small company to accumulate hours of flight. When you have about 2500 hours of flight you can expect to work for bigger company like America West.

But not everybody can do that you need particular critters.
And a lot of perseverance.

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:16 am

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:38 pm

To be a pilot: Money (lots of it)

To get a job as a pilot: Connections (the stronger the better)
 
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:57 pm

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:13 pm

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:20 pm

If you're talking about being a commercial pilot, the primary ingredient is a fanatical love of flying. The money, schedule, and lifestyle are all horrible, don't do it unless you really, really want to. That said, if you do really, really want to, than go for it; there are opportunities out there, it is realistically feasible.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:34 pm

I would have to agree with everyone who said money and time are basically the only two things you need to be a professional pilot.

I am well into my PPL training at 20 hours. Believe me that cost around $3000 and I am still doing pattern work. I suggest if you want to start being a pilot that you go to a university that offers a flight training program. The benefit of that is that you don;t have to pay for your flight training up front like I'm doing and you'll probably have more experience in busier airspace (a major plus if you want to get used to commercial flying).

Get the finances in order first... then dive in... it is a great experience that WILL be frustrating at first GUARANTEED, but if you have your heart set in it you'll become a natural with enough practice.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 4):
Not true. I never received a PPL, and have no plans to get one.

So did you go right to the CPL? I didn't know that you could do that.

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:01 pm

If you don't have a ton of money, the best way to get it done is know people. Bum around a local airport. You can meet tons of retired people from the industry. The airport I usually fly out of has at least 10 retired pilots from TW, Eastern, WN, and AA. Alot of times you can get rides with those guys for free and as you progress on lessons alot of them offer their planes to log hours. I had a real nice lady whose husband was an ex-NW 744 captain tell me I could "borrow" her Mooney when I wanted to fly.

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:39 pm

try complete packet schools!

(example: )

http://www.swiss-aviation-training.com/satindex

Off course you need a good load of money and a good health!
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:55 pm

"So did you go right to the CPL? I didn't know that you could do that."



I learned to fly in the USAF. Had never flown before I went to flight screening and pilot training. After graduation, all the guys and gals in my class took a weekend course to get the Comm written, and then the FAA issued us a Comm, ME, limited to centerline thrust. Later got an ATP, but still no PPL.

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:42 am

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 12):
I am well into my PPL training at 20 hours. Believe me that cost around $3000 and I am still doing pattern work. I suggest if you want to start being a pilot that you go to a university that offers a flight training program. The benefit of that is that you don;t have to pay for your flight training up front like I'm doing and you'll probably have more experience in busier airspace (a major plus if you want to get used to commercial flying).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but most reputable flight schools don't require you to pay up front(in advance).

There was a rather large academy that made their students pay up front a while back, they ended up closing, and a good number of people lost a lot of money. Some lost as much $80k. Don't pay up front.

Plus you'll end up paying less for your training at an FBO rather than a university.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:27 am

Sorry but you don't need money to be a pilot all you need is perseverance and a lot of luck if you don't have these you need money to do you private pilot class and that about 45000$.But if you have great marks at school and you are perseverance you will go to a school paid by the governement. That's it.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:15 am

I think that courses or paths to become a pilot are completely different in each country!(just looking at how averyone reacts here!)

I even know a school here in Belgium that gives the ATPL theory in an evening class for 6000€, so you can do it after work and still can get a decent loan to cover the costs, anyway, you still have to do practical training so in the end you will have spend 60000€ and then not even sure to apply for a "cockpit job" and get it!

So yes, luck is a factor too indeed...
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:11 am

Ya that's it it's different in every country all I know is that in Canada in most of the school the governement is paying for you but for that you have to be accept in the school first.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:31 am

Greg, seeing your location, my best advice would be to talk to the people at Manchester School Of Flying, if thats where you intend to do your training, however, be wary that Manchester is in Class A airspace, which means no VFR traffic. Now, I'm slightly biased, I know, but the best place to do your PPL is down here in Devon. Exeter has the best weather record of any UK aerodrome, and not only is the scenery stunning, but we are in Class F/G airspace throughout the County.

You need a CPL before you can be paid to fly. This really depends on what kind of flying you want to do, be it big airliners or flying instruction. Have a look at my (our) homepage.
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:55 am

gregster,

check out www.pprune.org then goto the wannabe's forum. All you could ever want to know about learning to fly, how where, what you need, how to fund it can be found in there.

Basicaly you need to be at least GCSE level Maths/Physics/English. Then have a lot of money.

A fully integrated course can cost £60K but you can do a modular course for half that. If you do alot of research you can do it yourself for less. I've worked out my costs to be round about £25K - maybe a little over with the route I want to take.

Only HSBC will do a loan for the full £60K course, where as almost any bank will loan you £25K.

I always wanted to do it, but thought it was way out of my reach. I have researched for 12 months all the different options, and I just got my PPL back in April so I'm on my way. The main thing you need though is £££.

Good Luck.

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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting Aircanada333 (Reply 20):
To be accept is very very very difficult.

I can make it no time.LOL Big grin
 
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:21 am

I have a love for flying and Im getting my PPL and I want to make may way up the ladder and eventually work commercially. I know theres a chance of getting a job at any airline know-but you have a better chance of either winning the lotto or being struck by lighting rotfl 

My advice-start with the basics and work your way up-

hope it helps,
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RE: What You Need To Be A Pilot?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 4):
Not true. I never received a PPL, and have no plans to get one.

If you go the military route you don't need one, but if you're doing what I'm doing and paying your own way and taking the civilian track, you need a PPL. How else are you going to get the hours required for commercial, ME, CFI, etc. etc?
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