Avianca
Topic Author
Posts: 5283
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:32 am

what are you thinking will be the next long-haul destination for LH?

a city in India, China? or somthing new old in SouthAmerica (BOG, LIM)...

and what will be the next long-haul destination from Muc? GRU, CCS, MEX? for example?

intresting to hear your opinion.

regards
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
USAF757300
Posts: 229
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:40 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:43 am

I would love to see them back here at PHX, but I dont think that will happen anytime soon.
 
johnnybgoode
Posts: 2144
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2001 8:47 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:23 am

I think China or India stand a good chance. in both countries, LH is looking to add cities. COK in India was mentioned many times.

I'd say there are probably lots of candidates as LH is surely contiuously looking at markets they've already once served. I'm thinking here of TPE (despite the German-Chinese bilaterals).

let's see with what a comprehensive we can come up!

rgds
daniel
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
 
PADSpot
Posts: 1637
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:31 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:34 am

I wouldn't be surprised if LH takes the DUS-EWR route back from PrivatAir and again operates it with an A343 or A330 as before 9-11. After CO and Delta opened up new fronts in HAM and TXL LH has to secure the DUS-NYC market with some additional capacity to make it less attractive for others ...

LH simply overslept the development in TXL with their strict and ignorant "NoIntercontinentalFlightsOutsideTheHubs" -Policy. No they have to react before DUS is overrun by the competition. DUS-ORD as operated by UA before until 2001 could also be an option.
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:42 am

I think that LH is going to stick with its longhaul only from FRA and MUN policy, but that is just my opinion.

I think that LH will look to cities in India and China for further longhaul expansion - those markets is where the growth and action is at the moment.

Does LH serve Nagoya? With the new airport opening, that city is getting a lot of attention.

Regarding the US, with the HP/US deal going forward, does PHX suddenly make sense again for LH? I assume that the "new" US Airways will remain a STAR alliance member, and now PHX will be a major hub city (much like DEN is with UA).....just an idea.
 
Avianca
Topic Author
Posts: 5283
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
I think that LH is going to stick with its longhaul only from FRA and MUN policy, but that is just my opinion.

I am the same opinion, why should they change this? 2 airports with long-haul operations are enough.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Does LH serve Nagoya? With the new airport opening, that city is getting a lot of attention.

yes they do.
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
PADSpot
Posts: 1637
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:31 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
I think that LH is going to stick with its longhaul only from FRA and MUN policy, but that is just my opinion.

Also my opinion, but that's a strategy you can only afford as long as you can transfer sufficient traffic from the smaller airports to the hubs. In case your competition starts to offer direct connections from the smaller airports your strategy gets more and more undermined ....

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):
I am the same opinion, why should they change this? 2 airports with long-haul operations are enough.

Dito. You can solve problems just by defining the desired outcome. But only as long you are the only one that affects the whole problem. But with more and more airlines flying directly from HAM, TXL and maybe DUS your feeder network gets under pressure ...
 
GBan
Posts: 488
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:10 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 1):
I would love to see them back here at PHX, but I dont think that will happen anytime soon.

Sorry to hear that this connection has gone. I enjoyed being on the inaugural flight FRA-PHX in 2001. We had a very nice low level flight over the airport before returning to land and a great reception at PHX!
 
Venezuela747
Posts: 1375
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:36 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:28 am

MUC-DEN perhaps???

Love to see MUC-CCA...I am not sure there is enough of a market to fill a A340
ROLL TIDE!!!
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:46 am

I really think that YEG will be up there...not daily, but three to 5 times a week will work as AC can code-share teh flights

I know the YEG authority has been working on it
 
zizou
Posts: 1484
Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2000 10:31 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:05 pm

There was talk earlier this year that Lufthansa was looking at coming back to the Australian market with their own metal, but with their codeshare agreement in place with Singapore Airlines, I doub't this will happen.
 
airbusfanyyz
Posts: 1410
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:01 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:10 pm

I'd love to see a second daily to YYZ or a MUC-YYZ to complement the AC service.

Cheers,
Kaz
 
KingGeo3
Posts: 162
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:50 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:27 pm

I might as well say it because someone else will:

It's been widely rumored (mostly here) that PIT is near the top of the list for new LH service!

I wish.

-KG3
Nobody respects me . . . :(
 
pzurita1
Posts: 1199
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:21 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:37 pm

I just hope one day I can see MTY amogn LH new long haul destinations... I do not care whether it is from FRA, MUC, DUS or even TXL!!!!!
Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
 
EDDM
Posts: 221
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:15 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:39 pm

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
and what will be the next long-haul destination from Muc? GRU, CCS, MEX? for example?

What about the RG flight from GRU? Even made the cover of the printed timetable at one time, but nothing ever came of it.
 
N77014
Posts: 812
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:16 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
I wouldn't be surprised if LH takes the DUS-EWR route back from PrivatAir and again operates it with an A343 or A330 as before 9-11. After CO and Delta opened up new fronts in HAM and TXL LH has to secure the DUS-NYC market with some additional capacity to make it less attractive for others ...

And run it at a loss?

Quoting Zizou (Reply 10):
There was talk earlier this year that Lufthansa was looking at coming back to the Australian market with their own metal, but with their codeshare agreement in place with Singapore Airlines, I doub't this will happen.

Won't happen. See the reasons KL quit the market as well.
A new life awaits you in the Off-World Colonies...
 
anthsaun
Posts: 510
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:32 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:09 am

MUC - CUN will do great twice a week to begin with.
Over 80 years in business say a lot about success
 
HT
Posts: 5857
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 6:20 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Regarding the US, with the HP/US deal going forward, does PHX suddenly make sense again for LH? I assume that the "new" US Airways will remain a STAR alliance member, and now PHX will be a major hub city (much like DEN is with UA).....just an idea

I thought of this also - and would love to see it back in LH´s schedule as this would give an alternative to connecting thru LAX mainly ...

Quoting KingGeo3 (Reply 12):
It's been widely rumored (mostly here) that PIT is near the top of the list for new LH service!

FRA - PIT is served by US with B762. Therefore I don´t see LH opening upa second flight on that route; LH either would have to take over the route with US "diverting" to MUC (would be logical when taking available seats into account) - or if LH starts MUC - PIT with their smallest intercontinental a/c this would mean to "steal" US´s customers from the FRA - PIT flight.
Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
 
PADSpot
Posts: 1637
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:31 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 15):
And run it at a loss?

Not at all. It seams that they have at least a decent business class clientele there. That lowers the risk and given current boom of NYC It won't be too hard to fill the back of ths bus ... does anyone know the load factor the PrivatAir flights DUS-EWR ?

But even anticipating (and accepting) a small loss could block DUS for CO and Delta ... in case the incoming flights TXL-DUS and HAM-DUC are well synchronized with a potential DUS-EWR flight they could even set CO and Delta under pressure this way ... with a daily 752 and 763 the air should be very thin at TXL ...
 
9V-SPF
Posts: 1340
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:42 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:29 am

Quoting HT (Reply 17):
FRA - PIT is served by US with B762

PIT-FRA is no longer served by US. That route has been dicontinued since US decided to drastically decrease their operations at PIT. And this is the exact reason why I think that if there will be a new LH destination in the USA, it won´t be PIT but rather MSY, MSP or STL as only a decent amount of connections could have justified a daily LH A330 or A340 to PIT. Meanwhile, the potential of business and leisure travellers is certainly equal or larger between FRA/MUC and the aforementioned destinations.  

[Edited 2005-07-06 20:30:20]
 
Tuffer
Posts: 49
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:49 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:42 am

What about a YYC-MUC to compliment AC's daily YYC-FRA? AC loads are always good on the FRA flight.....
 
Delta777Jet
Posts: 1238
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2000 6:19 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:55 am

Lufthansa officals went to STL and indeed they want to open a daily FRA-STL Route in Summer 2006 with a daily A-330-300 !!!!!!
B-717/722/737-200/300/400/500/600/700/800/900/B-747-100/200/400/SP/8i/B-752/3/B-762/3/4/B-772/LR/300ER/B-788/DC-10-10/30/L-1011-1/500/MD-81/82/83/90/A-319/320/321/AB6/312/313/332/333/342/343/346/359/388/TU154/IL-18/ATR-42/72/DH4/DH3/E145/E170/190/CR2/7/9
 
blrBird
Posts: 455
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:39 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:02 am

What about FRA-SEA? there is no non stop on this route.
from star dust....
 
9V-SPF
Posts: 1340
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:42 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 21):
Lufthansa officals went to STL and indeed they want to open a daily FRA-STL Route in Summer 2006 with a daily A-330-300 !!!!!!

Interesting. Do you have any further information on this? I think it would be a reasonable step to open up STL as it is chronically underserved from central Europe since TWA disappeared from the skies.
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Blrbird (Reply 22):
What about FRA-SEA? there is no non stop on this route.

LH is flying to Portland (and doing OK with the route per rumors) so its unlikely that they will also fly to nearby SEA.

STL-FRA - now that is a surprise, lets see if that happens?!
 
Avianca
Topic Author
Posts: 5283
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:23 am

i hope for fra-bog or muc-ccs
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
JET1977
Posts: 62
Joined: Thu May 13, 2004 5:17 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:36 am

How About FRA-HNL/OGG?  bigthumbsup 
 
ACDC8
Posts: 7270
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:56 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
I wouldn't be surprised if LH takes the DUS-EWR route back from PrivatAir and again operates it with an A343 or A330 as before 9-11

How were the Y class loads back then? DUS had daily services to EWR with LH's A340 and with CO's DC10, plus UA B767 service to first ORD then later IAD, now nothing save for the Privatair flights to ORD and EWR. I believe LT has also started daily service the EWR with A330's this year, but it's only seasonal I think. Could DUS sustain an A340 flight again?

But I would think that LH is gonna tap in into the Chinese and Indian markets a bit more before they start expanding into the US again.
A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
 
MAH4546
Posts: 24720
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:49 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 27):
? DUS had daily services to EWR with LH's A340 and with CO's DC10, plus UA B767 service to first ORD then later IAD,

The CO service was a DC10 at one point, but in the 2000s, it was a 757. And then there is the always forgotten about LTU. LTU offers year-round MIA-DUS and RSW-DUS, and seasonal non-stop scheduled service from DUS to MCO, LAX, YYZ, JFK, and YVR during the summer and YYC during the winter. Yes, the frequencies are only 1-3w (JFK is 6w), and only MIA and RSW are year-round, but what they offers suits the local Dusseldorf market very well.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 27):
now nothing save for the Privatair flights to ORD and EWR.
a.
 
flyinTLow
Posts: 460
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:40 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:49 am

For the US, I think PHX is the biggest candidate for now, just because it would make sense with the new US. It is also in the "warmer" parts of the USA year round, so it would also attract the tourists.

I don't see PIT happening, for the simple reason that US had to drop it. If it hadn't been a totally unattractive route for US, they would have somewhat kept it alive. Especially with Bayer having been a huge sponsor for the route. Now that US has dropped the flight and also cut down their hub in PIT, US doesn't have the reason anymore, and LH would have even less of a reason to try it.

SEA wouldn't be a candidate either. From a German perspective, they are just too close to each other. And according to LH their flights seem to be filled.

STL would be interesting indeed. MSY and MSP i don't think will happen. They are too unimportant for the German market. If there were money in it from MSP, I am sure NW would have tried it.

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 16):
MUC - CUN will do great twice a week to begin with.

Doesn't LT fly this one already? I know they fly it from FRA, and DE I think is doing so as well.
But I have to agree, a second city in Mexico might be interesting. They already fly MEX more than daily. I think Monterrey would get the honor before CUN though, as DE already flies there. And LH is more business oriented than DE.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 9):
I really think that YEG will be up there

I thought AC flew this route already?!

Cheers,

T-Low
- When dreams take flight, follow them -
 
Sabena332
Posts: 14938
Joined: Wed May 09, 2001 3:57 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 29):
Doesn't LT fly this one already?

Yes, LT is flying MUC-CUN weekly (every Thursday). I think that you won't see LH in CUN, it is a low-yield tourist destination, they have Condor for such flights.

Patrick
NZ1's mother is a disgusting crack-whore and his father is a worthless alcoholic!
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 27):

How were the Y class loads back then? DUS had daily services to EWR with LH's A340 and with CO's DC10, plus UA B767 service to first ORD then later IAD, now nothing save for the Privatair flights to ORD and EWR. I believe LT has also started daily service the EWR with A330's this year, but it's only seasonal I think. Could DUS sustain an A340 flight again?


Re DUS-EWR, I think LH is just fine with the Privatair arrangement, it keeps the full-fare premium customers happy and LH does not have to worry about yeilds and loads in Y on the route. Back LH offered the DUS flight, the performance was marginal, and the A340 was really too big for the route (the route worked better the the A310s as far as capacity).....also remember that many long-haul customers out of DUS (and CGN) take the LH rail service direct into FRA (its a very well coordinated service) and pick up longhaul flights there. As mentioned above, LH's policy is longhaul from FRA and MUN only......with Privatair taking care of premium customers out of DUS, I dont think that they will alter that policy.
 
HT
Posts: 5857
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 6:20 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting 9V-SPF (Reply 19):
PIT-FRA is no longer served by US.

Aaah ! US fooled me by showing FRA - PIT as "US 893"; I had to check at a different site to discover that this is actually is a connection thru PHL (including change of a/c)  banghead 

Re: FRA - STL: Please update me: Is there any big customer in that area that might block a number of Business Class seats on each flights ? IIRC the reason why LH added PDX was that it is a rather big destination on Business (which was also underserved), thus making profits more stable.
W/o a suitable amount of Business-traffic I doubt that LH will open up any new intercontinental route as making a flight profitable on revenue from Coach only is a hard thing.
Anyhow, a new route would either need very good O&D-traffic or offer onward connections. And apart from PHX )which I already stated earlier) I don´t see any other such city in the U.S. - most interesting airports (not served by LH yet) are mostly fortress-hubs by non-*A.

What about SAN as an O&D-market ? Population is rapidly growing down there as well as the rents are. BA has pulled out of SEA, leaving it w/o a connection to Europe (and driving to LAX is not the wisest thing, but of course one can connect in LAX, SFO, ORD, DEN, IAD ...).
-HT
Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
 
Avianca
Topic Author
Posts: 5283
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
but in the 2000s, it was a 757.

they never operated the 757 into dus, it was a B767
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
ACDC8
Posts: 7270
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:56 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
The CO service was a DC10 at one point, but in the 2000s, it was a 757.

IIRC, the 757 service started in 2001 just a few months before CO suspeded service to DUS.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
And then there is the always forgotten about LTU

I know about LTU, that's why I mentioned them (and I noticed that I wrote down daily service to EWR, should be JFK as you mentioned, my mistake).

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
but what they offers suits the local Dusseldorf market very well.

I know that the service provided suits the Rhein-Ruhr area, but my question was is there enough demand for LH to start an A330/340 flight between DUS and EWR again as PADSpot suggested.

Quoting Tuffer (Reply 20):
What about a YYC-MUC to compliment AC's daily YYC-FRA? AC loads are always good on the FRA flight.....

I would think that MUC-YVR would come on line before.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 9):
I really think that YEG will be up there...not daily, but three to 5 times a week will work as AC can code-share teh flights

I know the YEG authority has been working on it

Does YEG even have services to LHR?
A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
 
jmy007
Posts: 540
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:18 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 21):

I have heard that LH folks have have talked to Lambert, and as much as I would LOVE to see STL-FRA on LH, I can not see how this could work. Being a dominate One World hub, and O+D numbers to Europe from STL, I could not see this working. And if LH comes in on STL, I wonder what AA response would be.
Cookies are the Gateway pastry. They lead to Éclairs and Bear Claws.
 
Avianca
Topic Author
Posts: 5283
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 29):
They already fly MEX more than daily.

no curently they operats a daily 744 into mex,
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
N77014
Posts: 812
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:16 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:11 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 18):
Quoting N77014 (Reply 15):
And run it at a loss?

Not at all. It seams that they have at least a decent business class clientele there. That lowers the risk and given current boom of NYC It won't be too hard to fill the back of ths bus ... does anyone know the load factor the PrivatAir flights DUS-EWR ?

But even anticipating (and accepting) a small loss could block DUS for CO and Delta ... in case the incoming flights TXL-DUS and HAM-DUC are well synchronized with a potential DUS-EWR flight they could even set CO and Delta under pressure this way ... with a daily 752 and 763 the air should be very thin at TXL ...

If that was the case, LH would never have contracted with Privatair to begin with. The truth is, outside of FRA or MUC, there are few if any cities that can fill a widebody in the LH fleet on a consistent and profitable basis to NYC. Or anywhere, for that matter. As far as for TXL, we will see a war of attrition, with the carrier having the lowest cost operation and lowest breakeven point winning; CO. Also, you fail to note the the point of TXL service to NYC was intended for customers wiling to pay a premium over connecting in FRA; these are people whose time means money, and connecting in DUS, FRA, or any other place is out of the question.

In this respect, LH has the same problem SK does; aircraft too large to serve all the markets they would like on a consistent and profitable basis. While I agree that DUS-EWR is a good J-class market, the economics of A330/340 service versus a BBJ are compelling enough to make the current situation last for the forseeable future. If LH had access to B757/767, then I could see them making them a part of the rotation on this route.

As far a NYC booming, while it has recovered to an extent economically, it still suffers from an overabundance of empty office space and unemployment. It is nowhere near the way it was during the late 90's dot-com boom years.
A new life awaits you in the Off-World Colonies...
 
ACDC8
Posts: 7270
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:56 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 35):
And if LH comes in on STL, I wonder what AA response would be.

Would be interesting to note how AA flew the ORD-DUS pre 1996 era and after the formation of Star Alliance, the route suddenly changed to UAscratchchin 
A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 33):

they never operated the 757 into dus, it was a B767

They did, the route went from a DC10 to a 762, and then was downgraded in early 2001 after CO lost a big contract that kept the J class seats filled on the DUS-EWR route. The route operated with the 757 for the summer 2001 season, it was not making money, and it was pulled after 9/11 when CO cut back flying and discontinued DC10 operations (the 752 that was operating the route was needed for other European operations).
 
Sabena332
Posts: 14938
Joined: Wed May 09, 2001 3:57 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:17 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 33):
they never operated the 757 into dus, it was a B767

CO flew EWR-DUS-EWR with four different aircraft types. They started with the DC-10, then they used the 767-200 and -400 and later also the 757-200.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Paul Spijkers
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alastair T. Gardiner - WorldAirImages



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stephan Tophoven
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ingo Richardt



Patrick
NZ1's mother is a disgusting crack-whore and his father is a worthless alcoholic!
 
ACDC8
Posts: 7270
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:56 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:23 am

Patrick,
You might want to check the date and read the caption on the 767-400 picture you linked...  

Here, this one's a little better...

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Florian Kondziela



[Edited 2005-07-06 22:26:03]

[Edited 2005-07-06 22:26:26]
A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
 
highflyer9790
Posts: 1189
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:21 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:27 am

LH already serves most mainline US cities and i dont know how they are doing finacially.

do the fly to Michigan? I know there is a relatively big German community out there....
121
 
Sabena332
Posts: 14938
Joined: Wed May 09, 2001 3:57 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:27 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 41):
Patrick,
You might want to check the date and read the caption on the 767-400 picture ...  Wink

Ups....

Ok, here is another one, taken on the day when CO operated EWR-DUS for the first time with the 764:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stephan Tophoven



Patrick
NZ1's mother is a disgusting crack-whore and his father is a worthless alcoholic!
 
ACDC8
Posts: 7270
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:56 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 42):
do the fly to Michigan?

DTW daily with an A330 I believe.
A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
 
9V-SPF
Posts: 1340
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:42 pm

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting HT (Reply 32):
What about SAN as an O&D-market ?

The O&D market is definitely there and San Diego will perhaps become an option in the future. However, a problem might be that the A343 would have to be restricted on take-off weight at SAN and the A346/B744 would be too big. As I´m not an expert concerning this issue, I wouldn´t rely on my knowledge in this case though  Wink
 
Avianca
Topic Author
Posts: 5283
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting 9V-SPF (Reply 45):
However, a problem might be that the A343

I do not think so, the A343 is also not restricted from lax for example to muc, fra...etc.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 40):
and later also the 757-200.

this is very new for me, how long did the operate the 757 on the route?
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
HT
Posts: 5857
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 6:20 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 37):
If LH had access to B757/767

When FRA - PHX was in its final stages, LH operated a B767 into PHX for quite a while. IIRC it was wet-leased from DE, though I don´t know if any modifications were done to the cabin (DE´s 763 have only 24 seats ComfortClass, which definitely is a lower product than Business Class on LH). And if I´m not seriously mistaken, LH also had at one time a B763 of NG under contract operating as LH only (and I don´t mean the NG / LH codeshare MUC - MIA )

Quoting 9V-SPF (Reply 45):
However, a problem might be that the A343 would have to be restricted on take-off weight at SAN

Is this due to rwy-length ?
-HT
Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 46):

this is very new for me, how long did the operate the 757 on the route?

I may be a little off - but I would say from about March 2001 (a few weeks before the commencement of the Summer 2001 timetable) until October 2001, when the route was dropped.
 
BHMNONREV
Posts: 1209
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:17 am

RE: Next LH Long-haul Destination?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 21):
Lufthansa officals went to STL and indeed they want to open a daily FRA-STL Route in Summer 2006 with a daily A-330-300 !!!!!!

Maybe STL officials want a daily A330 in Summer 2006, but without any significant Star feed I just can't see this happening. I have heard local leaders have been courting both LH and EI but I had assumed that neither had expressed much interest in serving the STL market. Y yields and Cargo loads would probably be OK, but just like when TW was running daily flights to CDG, FRA and LGW, C/J yields were horrible, so I'm just not sure if there is enough interest in the St. Louis business community to support this service. But WTF do I know..

Do you have a link available??

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos