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Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:48 am

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How many 737s did Pan Am fly? Only one? (all above photos - same aircraft) For how long?

All above photos were not taken in the USA. I want to know if Pan Am 737 ever been to USA?

these rare photos of Pan Am 737 are spectular. Pan Am is famous for 747, 727, A300, etc. - not the 737....
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:55 am

I do not know how many 737's Pan Am flew, to my knowledge the were based from Berlin to fly Pan Am's intra-German and European connecting routes and never saw revenue service in the US.
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:56 am

Nope. IGS. Intra-German Services primarily.

When they were in the fleet, PanAm was international only from the US, so there weren't many, if any routes the aircraft could have been utilized on.

Yes, the 737 in PanAm colors is odd to Americans, not so much for Europeans.

By the time PanAm got domestic routes, the National 727 fleet already had the gig.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:05 am

In 1987 or so I flew LAX-SAN on a Pan Am 737.

The FA crew had done FRA-JFK-LAX over the previous several days. Then they did a LAX-SAN turn and ended their trip (!?) Strange but it was kind of trippy to be on a PA 737 domestically, most especially such a short flight.
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:18 am

Wrong folks. Pan Am 737s did ply the US skies--it was towards the end of the Pan Am timeline after the Europe routes were dismantled. I remember seeing them into HOU daily.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:19 am

Here is one in SFO...

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=50793

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:20 am

Pan Am indeed flew the 737's domestically...predominately out of MIA. My father (Clipper002) could shed more light on the routings but I travelled between MIA and TPA several times on the 737, as well as once between LAX and SAN. Some other markets I remember off-hand were MIA-MCO, MIA-IAH, MIA-MSY, and MIA-ATL.


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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:25 am

I flew on a Pan Am B737-200 MIA-TPA in 1988. The aircraft wore billboard titles but it was an ex-Air Florida aircraft, betrayed by the fact that it still had a full Air Florida interior right down to the decals in the toilets!

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There were several Pan Am B737s around Miami at the time in both old and new liveries, they were definitely common on the short intra-Florida runs at the time.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:32 am

I have pictures I took of a Pan Am 737-200 at Washington Dulles around 1989.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:33 am

very good evidence .. thanks to all

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 7):
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Nope. IGS. Intra-German Services primarily.



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4):
Wrong folks. Pan Am 737s did ply the US skies--it was towards the end of the Pan Am timeline after the Europe routes were dismantled.

I stand corrected. How long did they last, and how many made the transition?

It was my understanding that only a handful made the migration back to US...and then mostly to South Florida. It looks like it was more of the 737 fleet than I originally thought.
So we have Miami, Houston, Dulles, Tampa, and surprisingly enough SFO!,(That one really surprises me) any other markets?
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:42 pm

Pan Am used a 737 to make four or five daily flights between SAN and LAX during the 1989-1990 period. Pan Am did poorly on the route and eventually transitioned down to a Dash 7.

Were you aware that Pan Am II flew the 737-400?
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:57 pm

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 11):
Were you aware that Pan Am II flew the 737-400?

Those were the Carnival 737-400's that were "operated by PA II". Remember Carnival paid Pan Am II for PA II to take over KW's fleet and take the Carnival name off the aircraft. After the VJ592, Mickey Arison (the owner of Carnival Corp) was deathly afraid that a crash of a Carnival Air Lines aircraft would negatively reflect on Carnival Cruise Lines (and NOTHING is allowed to reflect negatively on CCL) that he decided he needed a way to get the name off the aircraft while not closing the doors (which could also look bad for CCL).

As to the thread topic itself, the B-737-200's operated by PA did operate IGS primarily but, towards the end, they were brought back to the States and operated domestically (mostly out of MIA to TPA and MCO for the "Air Bridge" flights). When Ed Acker was finally ousted, those 737's went with him (along with his exhorbitantly high lease rates).

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:19 pm

In the waning days of Pan Am I saw a few 737s in SFO.
It was really strange after always seeing their 747s there.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:41 pm

I used to work them at DFW in 1989-1991. They had one on the MIA flight.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:06 pm

I remember seeing them at DTW in the late 1980s
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:16 pm

Of course it has! It was built in the United States!!!!
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:18 pm

Pan Am had a total of 16 737-200's, all of which flew the IGS and were given "Clipper" names for German cities. Five of these were former Air Florda aircraft and still maintained their AF registrations. When the IGS was disolved, these a/c were brought back to the states and based primarily at MIA. The worst run was the MIA/IAH schedule. Because of a lack of life rafts, these flights had to head north to just below TLH before they could turn west and go onto IAH. Of course the schedules reflected the time for a direct route, so the only way to try and keep the flights on schedule was for the crews to fly the "barbar pole" and blow fuel out the tail pipe.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:35 pm

Point of clarification to this excellent information--Pan Am shifted ops from IAH to HOU at the end. I remember seeing the 737s leave Hobby bound for MIA and the 727s go to NYC and I believe SAT.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:21 pm

I remember seeing one land in LAX early in the evening (5 or 6pm)
in February 1988. Was that maybe the one that came from SAN?
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 20):
remember seeing one land in LAX early in the evening (5 or 6pm)
in February 1988. Was that maybe the one that came from SAN?

Yes! They must of kept one based in LAX for the LAX-SAN and LAX-SFO service. They also had DHC-7 in Pan Am Express colors for the LAX - SAN route at one time.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 11):
Were you aware that Pan Am II flew the 737-400?

No I was not aware. Interesting fact. I am aware that Pan Am flew the A320 -- shuttle service in the western cities?
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:36 am

I dont think PAA ever flew the A320 in any of its incarnations...
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 23):
I dont think PAA ever flew the A320 in any of its incarnations...

I seem to recall that America West acquired one or more of their older A320s from Pan Am? I must be wrong, just my speculation.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:48 am

A320's were ordered by Pan Am
Delivered to Braniff II,
Then on to America West.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:02 am

I flew in Pan Am on a 737-200 from MIA to MCO and back on a 722, in 1989 I think, darn noisy engines...
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:04 am

Wasn't one of those PA/BN/HP A320's written off a few years ago?
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:48 am

Ummmmm..., let me think, taking in account Boeing is manufactured in Seattle, I would say: Yea it's been to the US before.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:53 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 27):
Wasn't one of those PA/BN/HP A320's written off a few years ago?

HP had one land at PHX and collapse the nosegear a couple of years ago, and it was written off. That one, perhaps?
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:09 am

the 737-200s served JFK-CLE-CVG vv. and JFK-DTW vv. for a brief period. Pan Am had ordered the A320 but cancelled due to its detiorating finacial situation, and the order was taken over by Braniff 2.
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:10 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 29):
HP had one land at PHX and collapse the nosegear a couple of years ago, and it was written off. That one, perhaps?

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 18):
Pan Am had a total of 16 737-200's, all of which flew the IGS and were given "Clipper" names for German cities

Just for fun, here is the complete list of the 737-200 Clippers:

N380PA Neukolin
N381PA Wedding
N382PA Kruezberg
N383PA Steglitz
N385PA Berlin
N387PA Tiergarten
N388PA Reinickdorf
N389PA Frankfurt
N4902W Wilmersdorf
N70723 Luftikus
N70724 Spreeathern
N63AF Schoneberg
N64AF Spandau
N67AF Tempelhof
N68AF Zehlendorf
N69AF Charlottenburg

Interesting that Hamburg, Nuremburg, Stuttgart, and Munich did not have a Clipper Jet named for them on the IGS. Not even on one of the 727 fleet. PanAm operated close to a 100 727-200s over the years...(97?) Not bad for a "second-tier" equipment type....747 being the primary vehicle.

The Munich Clipper was a DC-4 and an A310-200.
The Hamburg Clipper was an A310-200.

Many names were recycled and reused many times over.

Can't find Clippers for the other cities, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, I just haven't come across them yet.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:07 am

The PA 737-200s certainly were utilised on US-based routes. As with the original (pre-National merger) PA 727-100s before them, as well as their busy German-based network, they flew on short hops from Florida domestically and to the Caribbean, and also on longer runs to Central America on "thinner routes".

My own one and only PA flight, PA300, was on a MIA-based 737-200 (N68AF with it's "US" name "Clipper Rainbow", as opposed to its IGS name "Clipper Zehlendorf"), on Sep 27th 1989, from MIA to TPA. It has to be said that, by then, it was a rather scruffy individual, with much-scratched window surfaces and flaking paint.

There are also shots on here of PA 737-200s at West Coast airports such as SAN. And, of course, PA Mk2 flew several ex Carnival 737-400s.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:39 am

All of the names assigned to various Pan Am aircraft are listed in"Pan Am, an airline and its aircraft." However, the were numerous name changes made by various senior officials as time went on.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:03 am

I flew out of MIA on many Pan Am 737's ATL,ORD etc they where used to feed the S American flights.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:07 am

Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't the 737's have been built in the USA?

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:20 am

I have a photo of N64AF in full PA livery at the old PIT terminal. I know they flew one summer on JFK-PIT. PA had a lot of beyond PIT segments with the 72S (seemingly a different one every month) but Im not sure if they did so with the 737.
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:29 am

I saw a few 732's in MSY towards the end, but most of the flights here were 722's. Most likely equipment swaps.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:19 am

They flew 737's from PIT to BNA as well.

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