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772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:54 pm

Boeing 002 just departed Hong Kong for Gatwick and from what I understand its overflying Seattle on the way. A new world record when completed.

Funny thing was it only used half the runway!!

[Edited 2005-07-06 06:06:02]
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:23 pm

No ballast + GE90-110B = short takeoff.

I forgot they were going to do this one stop around the world flight so soon. HKG-LGW-HKG all going East, overflying SEA. Pretty fun.

But that's only 9800nm using the great circle mapper. I don't know how to measure it using the website if you want to draw a straight line from one city to another through a middle city. I know they don't want to do great circle routes, but a straight line of longer distance for proving.

I mapped out a relatively straight path using HKG-NRT-SEA-YHZ-LGW and got 10,640nm. I assume if I could make it even straighter, it would be close to 11,000nm. But there are no islands between HNL and Alaska to help me, and YHZ isn't ideal.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:27 pm

How long the first leg is going to be? , Could it be near to 24 hours????
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
I don't know how to measure it using the website

Hi, is there a website you can use to calculate city pair distances ?.

Cant wait to see the results of this flight Boeing 002 HKG-LGW.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:24 pm

Quoting B744Heavy (Reply 3):
Hi, is there a website you can use to calculate city pair distances ?.

http://gc.kls2.com/
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:52 pm

Anyone knows what time it will approximately land at Gatwick?

which rwy is in use?

will there be a lot more security on the roof of the central area parking at the south terminal?

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:03 pm

Ive heard it will spend 23 hours in the air, but I cant remember where I heard that.
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:21 pm

I think it will be over 24 hours, if this is indeed the record flight attempt. The 772ER flew 10823nm in 1997. You'd hope they routed this one to be longer by more than just a few hundred miles.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:24 pm

Well, this will most likely prove to Qantas that the 777-200LR can go the distance, and will soon order the aircraft, hopefully
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:31 pm

How? By loading it up with fuel but no other payload beyond the demonstration interior it carries now? If that were all it took to prove it, QF would be using 772ERs already, as that plane flew 10,800nm, which is good enough even going west SYD-LHR. Just with no pax or baggage.

This flight doesn't prove much. It's really just for fun.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:59 pm

26L at LGW ETA 17.10
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:08 pm

Quoting UA747400 (Reply 8):
Well, this will most likely prove to Qantas that the 777-200LR can go the distance, and will soon order the aircraft, hopefully

Flying with no payload, it won't prove anything.


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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:24 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):

Flying with no payload, it won't prove anything.

It will prove that it has greater range than the A340-500 or B777-200ER, but that's hardly a surprise. Perhaps more importantly, it establishes a point on the Z chart.

If the goal is to impress QF, I would have flown LHR-SYD westbound. Of course, eastbound records are numerically impressive.
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:54 pm

Its nothing more than we flew the longest, simple as that.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:01 pm

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 10):
26L at LGW ETA 17.10

Is that today, 6th July?

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:04 pm

Quoting A340600 (Reply 14):
Is that today, 6th July?

Yep!
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 15):
Yep!

Jesus Christ, i'm off there then!

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:50 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):
Flying with no payload, it won't prove anything.

Is there any information on what load it's carrying?

I doubt that it is flying light. Knowing Boeing, they'll have loaded it up as much as they can for the obvious reason - to make sure the trip proves the aeroplane out in operational conditions.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:11 pm

Does anyone know if I can track it on airnav flight tracker? If so, what is the callsign?
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:23 pm

will it be the longest flight?

or still Qantas London-Sydney (ferry flight of 747-400ER) is the longest flight ever done by a commercial jet?
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:06 pm

When does it leave LGW!?
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:07 pm

^Yes, it will be the longest.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 17):
I doubt that it is flying light. Knowing Boeing, they'll have loaded it up as much as they can for the obvious reason - to make sure the trip proves the aeroplane out in operational conditions.

Of course they haven't.... otherwise, it couldn't flight the route!
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:15 pm

Sorry for my ignorance but...what's so exceptional in a HKG-LON flight?
Doesn't a normal 744 take just 13 hours with a good payload?

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:17 pm

You all need to periodically check the Flight Test Journal on Boeing's web for updates...

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/200LR/flight_test/

Check out the photo's too...

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/200LR/photos.html
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:22 pm

If your ETA into LGW is correct, then surely it can't have flown around the world over Seattle? I saw it depart HKG, and it passed the end of the runway at 2000ft climbing....that can't be a 23 hr flight surely?
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:23 pm

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 10):
26L at LGW ETA 17.10

Is that 1710 local?
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:27 pm

Quoting IDAWA (Reply 23):
Sorry for my ignorance but...what's so exceptional in a HKG-LON flight?
Doesn't a normal 744 take just 13 hours with a good payload?

The 777-200LR will be flying the route Eastbound, not the normal shorter Westbound route.

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 25):
If your ETA into LGW is correct, then surely it can't have flown around the world over Seattle? I saw it depart HKG, and it passed the end of the runway at 2000ft climbing....that can't be a 23 hr flight surely?

Agree with CX flyboy. The ETA at LGW does not look right. It should be arriving early in the morning in LGW.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
I forgot they were going to do this one stop around the world flight so soon. HKG-LGW-HKG all going East, overflying SEA. Pretty fun.

AFAIK, it'll not be a one-stop around-the-world flight. The aircraft will be in Europe for a while before returning to Asia.
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:47 pm

Quoting Widebodyphotog (Reply 27):
The 777-200LR will be flying the route Eastbound, not the normal shorter Westbound route.

OK, I was missing this essential information!

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:13 pm

Is the ETA right because it makes the decision of whether to cycle to the airport,

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:34 am

If 1710 is right, it flew west.

I thought it was early for this record flight. All news reports said it would fly "later this year" and more information would be provided before it tried it.

From the Boeing Paris Air Show PR:

"Later this year, the Worldliner will attempt to set a new world record for distance traveled nonstop by a commercial airplane. The current record -- 10,823 nautical miles (20,044 kilometers) -- was set in 1997 by the 777-200ER (Extended Range). Details for the record flight -- during which the airplane is to fly for approximately 24 hours -- will be released in weeks ahead."
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:42 am

This is not the 24 hour flight. This is simply part of the sales tour.

As already stated, there will be plenty of press leading up to the record attempt.

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:47 am

It landed 17.01

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:03 am

12 hours. It flew west.

Side note, the flight testing part of the program is nearly complete. WD001 and WD002 have logged over 400 of the planned 500 flight hours already.

They still have 200+ ground hours to log. And of course there are flight hours above and beyond the required ones, for additional proving and touring and sales and such.

But man, is this flight testing going quickly or what? There were even some problems at Edwards, which they had to address and fly back to Seattle to do it, and they are still ahead of schedule.

EIS should be easy to meet. I assume they have some waiting to do for the cold weather testing in Canada and Siberia and such places.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting IDAWA (Reply 23):
Sorry for my ignorance but...what's so exceptional in a HKG-LON flight?
Doesn't a normal 744 take just 13 hours with a good payload?

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:27 am

Yep, arrived 17.01:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/2005_0706LGW6july001333.jpg

Nice plane, slowed very quickly after landing with no pax,

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 36):
they're going the LONG way! over seattle!

Well, they are going to do that eventually. This just wasn't the day. False alarm.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 37):
Nice plane, slowed very quickly after landing with no pax,

With extra main landing gear (773ER landing gear are used on 772LR), does that mean more brakes too? Add to that larger engines for reversing, and I would assume this plane could stop on a dime, "whatever that is."

PS - anyone know where that quote comes from?
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:48 am

Looking at the picture, it seems that it got another sticker for another customer.....I guess that must be for Jet Airways (9w)?

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 39):
With extra main landing gear (773ER landing gear are used on 772LR), does that mean more brakes too?

not implying more wheels, but I understand the gear is bigger, so I would assume the brakes could be larger as well.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 40):
guess that must be for Jet Airways (9w)

That's right. The picture of the sticker was clearer on another photo linked on another thread recently. The four stickers are for PIA, Eva, Air India and Jet Airways.

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:52 am

Quote:
With extra main landing gear (773ER landing gear are used on 772LR), does that mean more brakes too? Add to that larger engines for reversing, and I would assume this plane could stop on a dime, "whatever that is

There are no extra landing gear on the 777-300ER, all 777's have two post main landing gears, with 6 wheel trucks each.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:59 am

You should read all the posts before you criticize others. I even made sure to clarify so that nobody thought I meant it had 50 wheels or something. 12 minutes later, you jump to the wrong conclusion!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 41):
not implying more wheels, but I understand the gear is bigger, so I would assume the brakes could be larger as well.

Anyway, i answered my own question. Yes, the brakes are bigger.

From Boeing:

"New Wheels, Tires and Brakes - supports the increased gross weight of the airplane."
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:06 am

Just out of interest, would the A340-5 be able to fly this route with no payload etc? The Airbus website says it can fly 9000 nm with a full load. Surly with just fuel it would be able to match the 772LR. To me this flight doesnt really say much. Lets wait and see what happens when its in service.

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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:44 am

At equal payload, the 772lr should be able to out-fly the 345. So, it's not a meaningless demonstration.
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):
Flying with no payload, it won't prove anything.

At least it's flying rather than causing engineers to scratch their heads.  taekwondo  box 

[Edited 2005-07-06 23:58:17]
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:10 am

It will prove something.

It will prove that this plane can fly further without payload than any other commercial jet previously could fly without a payload! That's not really important, but it's still something, no?

Sort of like the A380 first flight proved that it was the largest airworthy commercial pax plane on earth. That's all it proved, but it proved something.

Both such flights will make news, as humans love bigger, faster, and longer, just for the novelty of it.
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:46 am

As flight testing progresses don't you think Boeing will test the plane with full fuel and ballast to simulate a full pax. load? Maybe then they will fly LHR-SYD or SYD-LHR.
 
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 45):
At least it's flying rather than causing engineers to scratch their heads.


Man, you nailed that one brother. Well done.  Smile
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RE: 772LR Just Departed Hong Kong For Gatwick

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:30 pm

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 45):
At least it's flying rather than causing engineers to scratch their heads.

What are you talking about? Which one isn't flying?  Confused

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 48):
Man, you nailed that one brother. Well done.

Reminds me of some dogs I've just seen while jogging...one did his business in a corner - and the next one jumped at it. "Well done" he might have thought...  biggrin 


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