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Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:17 am

Word through the grapevine is that F9, as of today, will no longer serve a full can of soda to passengers. Passengers can still request a full can of soda but they'll only get a small cup, ala all the other airlines, initially. Also, all free snacks on flights under 800 miles will be discontinued. I guess you can blame the exceedingly high cost of jet fuel for this.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:19 am

The last thing F9 needs is to have their service look more and more like the legacy carriers.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:20 am

Well, all the F/As need to do is ask "would you like that in the can?" And then Chevy Chase will respond: "No, I think I'll take it right here."
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Also, all free snacks on flights under 800 miles will be discontinued. I guess you can blame the exceedingly high cost of jet fuel for this.

So it will be a beverage-only service on flights under 800 miles? Do you think F9 is leaning towards Buy On Board service?
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:25 am

Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 3):
So it will be a beverage-only service on flights under 800 miles? Do you think F9 is leaning towards Buy On Board service?

I suppose it will be beverage only. And god I hope they are not going the route of buy on board. That was one thing that made F9's product stand out: the extra in flight service, not a lot, but just enough to differentiate themselves.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:28 am

Hopefully this will only be short term......
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:32 am

Uh, UA still gives a full can on mainline, at least on eastcoast to ORD
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
but they'll only get a small cup, ala all the other airlines, initially.

UA does still give the full can. In fact, I have asked not to be given a full can and they gave it anyway. I should save it for a Ted flight Big grin
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4):
That was one thing that made F9's product stand out: the extra in flight service, not a lot, but just enough to differentiate themselves.

You're right.... it made them stand out enough for me that even if they cost a few more bucks than WN or HP (when I fly into PHX) I'd take them again... just because their service was a little better than average... at least they aren't doing away with their friendlier than average FAs and pilots...
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:53 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 1):
The last thing F9 needs is to have their service look more and more like the legacy carriers.

Since service in the main cabin of U.S. airlines has sunk to the point where airlines differentiate themselves by how much complimentary soda they serve... it will be interesting to see what happens on my PHX-LAX flight on Southwest a few days from now. Last time I flew with WN on the same short hop (about 75 minutes from gate to gate, about 40 minutes at cruise altitude) no less than four rounds of complimentary soft drinks were offered (I politely declined after three); there were more than 100 pax aboard the 737-300 operating the flight.

Interestingly, my flight on WN was in conjunction with a legacy airline flight of about 3 hours in length. On the legacy, the FAs acted as if doing the pax a favor by offering two rounds of complimentary soft drinks (hiding out in the galleys the remainder of the time) on a flight with fewer pax on board. The legacy certainly differentiated itself from WN -- to put a positive spin on it, let's just say the legacy FAs were acting in a cost-conscious manner!?
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Word through the grapevine is that F9, as of today, will no longer serve a full can of soda to passengers. Passengers can still request a full can of soda but they'll only get a small cup, ala all the other airlines, initially. Also, all free snacks on flights under 800 miles will be discontinued. I guess you can blame the exceedingly high cost of jet fuel for this.

does not giving the whole can really save that much money?
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 10):
does not giving the whole can really save that much money?

Not really. BTW, F9 will still give the whole can, they just wont give it without you asking. If airlines really want to save money, they should get the postmix carts that National (Red Rock) debut just before going under.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:08 am

Why not carry both sizes.. then offer the regular can for those who want it.. and the half-size cans for those who only want half..

or better yet, just carry the half size can and then give 1 to peopl ewho only want half the can and 2 for those whou want the full size can..
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:08 am

The last DL flight I was on, an MD-88 from RSW to CVG, the F.A's were giving cups of soft drinks and handing out the can on demand only. Now, that was a first!
DL in the past, always just handed out the cokes, no q's asked.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 6):
Uh, UA still gives a full can on mainline, at least on eastcoast to ORD

And on the west coast as well. Guy sitting next to me on a SEA-SFO flight last weekend got the full can.

Can't speak for other legacy carriers.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:22 am

Is it me, or is this getting totally insane? NW and now US with the pretzel thing? And, Frontier with cup or a full can of soda.........wouldn't it be cheaper to give a can with a straw than use plastic cups? After all, those cups cost money - maybe F9 and others can arrange for flight attendants to stop at their local gas station on the way to airport and pick up soda on one of those special "2 six packs for $5.00" deals.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:34 am

HP FAs, on any flight I've been on anyway, actually offer the whole can. I think they'd rather skip the trouble of half-full cans of everything in their beverage cart.

Hey, how about this one for saving money....less ice on the planes! When we clean the RON planes at PDX, no more than two bags' worth of ice is ever used....and normal stock on an A32S or 737 is 6 bags of ice. We end up dumping more on the ground than is ever used on even a full flight.

Why haven't these pretzel-snatching pop can-denying penny pinchers thought of THAT one?
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:43 am

Tango-Bravo:

You have to remember that airlines do take inventory of not only what catering puts on, but what comes off at the end of a flight. If the F/As wind up being a little generous, they get written up.

And let's face it, with the state of airline service, would you, as an F/A, feel safer back in the galley, not incurring the wrath of passengers who paid business fares for service that is worse than some of the LCCs?
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 14):
And on the west coast as well. Guy sitting next to me on a SEA-SFO flight last weekend got the full can.

No surprise. United doesn't have shareholders to answer to.

If they lose $1.2 billion this year instead of $1.1 billion, does it really matter?

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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:01 am

The full-can-of-soda issue is nothing new. Piedmont was a full-can airline and USAir was a just-the-cup airline. Plenty of unhappy customers in the late 80's were pretty worked up about this, seeing it as a touchstone of the Piedmont way being steamrolled.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:56 am

Well, as a loyal Frontier flyer, all I can say is that I hope this is an isolated incident and that no further cuts in in-flight service are planned...

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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:40 am

Is SFO or LAX to DEN less or more than 800 miles.

I had planned to fly on Frontier on an upcoming trip to the US and was really looking forward to the better service than the legacy carriers.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:48 am

I can't believe that this is the state of the airline industry now. I have to laugh at the fact that airlines like NW can call themselves "legacy" carriers. They offer no frills at all. Compare that to a "LCC" like jetBlue that has all leather seats, direct tv, gives you a WHOLE can of soda, and lets you get a fairly big bag of snacks (about 8 snack choices). On B6 I always have FA's ask me "you sure you don't want another bag of Chips?" I've come to the conclusion that for the price you are paying there is no better deal than Jetblue.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:14 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Why not carry both sizes.. then offer the regular can for those who want it.. and the half-size cans for those who only want half..

Because that would be MORE expensive than just using regular sized cans

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 20):
Well, as a loyal Frontier flyer, all I can say is that I hope this is an isolated incident and that no further cuts in in-flight service are planned...

Greg, they will still let you have the whole can if you ask.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Greg, they will still let you have the whole can if you ask.

Im aware of that, but that's not the point I was getting at...it was more of a contemplative "Is this the tip of the proverbial iceberg (more significant service cuts to come?) or just a one-off thing (the preferred one)"

Quoting BNE (Reply 21):
Is SFO or LAX to DEN less or more than 800 miles.

I had planned to fly on Frontier on an upcoming trip to the US and was really looking forward to the better service than the legacy carriers.

Yes, both LAX/SFO-DEN are over 800 miles so no worries...definitely take F9 if you can!

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Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 24):
Im aware of that, but that's not the point I was getting at...it was more of a contemplative "Is this the tip of the proverbial iceberg (more significant service cuts to come?) or just a one-off thing (the preferred one)"

Yeah, I can see what you are saying. I don't think you have to worry about F9 becomming FR though
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 13):
The last DL flight I was on, an MD-88 from RSW to CVG, the F.A's were giving cups of soft drinks and handing out the can on demand only. Now, that was a first!
DL in the past, always just handed out the cokes, no q's asked.

funny. the last DL flights i've been on i haven't gotten any service at all.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:43 am

Many Frontier FA's, including myself, were disappointed to read the memo regarding the new service procedures. However, we are also operating at a time when fuel costs are climbing. It doesn't, however, mean a decline in the friendly service our passengers will receive. At F9 - there are hardly any disappearing FA's. Our minimum service requirements on all flights of 2 hours in duration or more are as follows - Full beverage service, meal/snack service, trash service, full beverage service, trash service, coffee and water service, trash service, and of course, any items pax request in between.  Smile There are no disappearing FA's. 2 hours sounds like a lot, but we are always constantly working on our aircraft. On flights as short as DEN-STL, DEN-SLC (which normally blocks around only an hour) and DEN-DFW, I've noticed that many pax don't really drink the entire can. Despite that, we still do two full beverage services on such short flights (with the exception of flights under two hours). So perhaps that will help bring our costs in line with our competitors.

I am hoping for the day when we will be able to return to our signature service in offering the whole can, even on flights where pax don't even have the time to finish it (i.e. SLC, MCI, OMA, etc.).  Smile But before we do that, I am hoping that fuel costs will come down and that we'll return to profitability. I trust the big guys/gals running our airline - they've done and continue to do an awesome job. They're all hard workers and are constantly working to bring us back into the black. I believe in the company and am confident that whatever implementations are put into place to lower our costs in order to bring us back to profitability, is done so with intentions for a successful future. The bottom line is that we need to be profitable in order to survive, and whatever it takes to do so, so be it. When things get better, I'm sure our service procedures will return to normal.  Smile

Here's to hoping that times in the industry get better and that fuel costs come down!  Smile

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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:16 am

Amen to HPRamper enlightening people on the ice wastage that occurs on planes these days. Instead of complaining about cans/cups of soda, why not bring our catering services inhouse??

I know that at HP, when I worked on the ground, LSG SkyChefs charges a one-time drop-off charge of 50 dollars for catering aircraft. So, let's say that an aircraft needs ice/trash provisioning, it's a 50 dollar charge for a catering process that takes maybe 5 minutes, max. Need extra cups? 50$ Need more snacks? 50$ You get the idea.

Those familiar with an airline operation will realize that this service is wildly expensive and some stations in the HP network have stopped using LSG SkyChefs altogether and had their own ramp/ground personnel remove trash/ice and saving them 50$ out of their station budget per flight.

Back to the Frontier issue, AirplaneBoy, could you elaborate what you mean by "snack/meal" service on flts under 2 hours? I know over at HP, we do 2 beverage services on flights under 3 hours (only giving the can on request per company policy). I'm impressed that you guys serve 'meals/snacks' on flts under 2 hours...wow.

Here is our general breakdown at HP :
1hr and less : no snack, 1 bev svc; no hot bev after 11a departures
1hr-1:30: snack (1 oz. peanuts/pretzels, etc), and 1 bev svc (cans on request)
1:30-2:59 : snack, 2 bev svc (cans on request)
3:00+ : B.O.B., 2 or 3 bev svc (depending on flight duration; always cans on 1st svc)
(realize we give out diff. amt of snacks(honey roasted peanuts, dry roasted peanuts, pretzels, or Biscoff cookies) based on availability on the a/c...aka: how many we can find stashed in the galleys in various places  Wink)
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):
If they lose $1.2 billion this year instead of $1.1 billion, does it really matter?

Careful now; you may unwittingly be setting the stage for another "United is definitely headed in the right direction" thread if they manage to post an actual loss of a mere $1.1 billion or less this year Wink
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:15 am

At WN during my recurrent training we were told to offer only the glass. If someone asks for the can of course we give it! My instructor said we'll give em the 6 pack if they want. The point is more than half the time when we collect the trash, half of the can gets poured into the trash. Of course our service like B6 is from trays not a cart which allows us to come by to offer frequent re-fills.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:21 am

Quoting BNE (Reply 21):
Is SFO or LAX to DEN less or more than 800 miles.

I had planned to fly on Frontier on an upcoming trip to the US and was really looking forward to the better service than the legacy carriers.

I have flown F9 on 12 segments in the last 7 weeks. They are very consistent and a great airline!
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:25 am

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 27):
Here's to hoping that times in the industry get better and that fuel costs come down!


I hope so too. F9 offers a great product and every crew member I've run into is great! Doing the little things to control costs is not such a bad thing and it will help you in the end.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:19 pm

Why cant the airlines grow the balls to raise ticket prices? Micro-managing isnt going to get them out of this situation; something drastic is going to have to happen for the airlines to start making money again. Either fuel prices are going to have to drop, or ticket prices will have to go up. You cannot have record high fuel prices with record low ticket prices. Beavis and Butthead running the show at so many airlines dont seem to realize that though.

"Fuel prices are high, ticket prices are low...what do we do sir?" "*Butthead voice* He he, cut the employees salaries and get rid of the pretzels! Also, lets only give the PAX only half a can of soda! Yep, big bucks will be flowing any moment now!"
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:33 pm

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 33):
Why cant the airlines grow the balls to raise ticket prices? Micro-managing isnt going to get them out of this situation; something drastic is going to have to happen for the airlines to start making money again. Either fuel prices are going to have to drop, or ticket prices will have to go up. You cannot have record high fuel prices with record low ticket prices. Beavis and Butthead running the show at so many airlines dont seem to realize that though.

It is the over-supply of seats in the market, supply and demand sets the price in a market economy, until a few carriers close the doors there is not much that a management person at any carrier in the US can do.


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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:34 pm

Okay lets analyze this. I don't believe fuel is the driver of the vanishing whole can of soda caper. I seem to recall F9 fuel is hedged.

When you add in labor cost in the amount of time it takes the FA to pour 120 cups of drinks vice handing the pax a whole can of drink. No savings that I can see. Possibly when you add in the blue water savings and the chain reaction which follows in that less drink causes less trips to the toilet, then possibly.  hissyfit 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 35):
blue water savings

But Airbus A319's don't use blue juice, they use compressed air, as do newer Boeings  Smile
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:10 pm

Quoting Luvfa (Reply 32):

Hey Luvfa- Thanks for the kind words! I can only return the compliment. All WN FA's I've run into have been sweet too! We especially like discussing how much money we won or lost on the hotel van ride to the airport in RNO...LOL. Of course, I'm always talking about how much I lost, since I haven't been lucky enough to win!  Smile

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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:23 pm

I see this as a sad moment only because it very well could be the tip of iceberg... but really, I'd prefer to be given a cup, no can. For starters, it's less to deal with on the tray table. Also, you can always ask for more. But once the can is open, if you don't finish it, your wasting the airlines resources. Maybe its a small expense, but a penny saved is a penny that could be spent elsewhere.

I usually fly Continental and jetBlue- but speaking in terms of Continental, on flights with snacks, they almost always do a drink run, serve the snack, and do a second drink run like five minutes after the snacks are done- kind of just to top off the glass type thing. I rarely get the can on CO, and I like them better for it.

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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:41 pm

As long as B6 and F9 don't charge for the tube, you can poor the freakin soda on my lap for all I care, I probably wouldn't even notice with Sponge-Bob Squarepants on Cartoon Network.Haha...that silly sponge.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting PilotParis (Reply 39):
F9 don't charge for the tube

Unfortunately, its $5 on F9. I would imagine it could suck watching $5 PTV with a lap full of soda.

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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:44 pm

Is F9 supposed to/planning on announcing more cities this year?
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 27):
Our minimum service requirements on all flights of 2 hours in duration or more are as follows - Full beverage service, meal/snack service, trash service, full beverage service, trash service, coffee and water service, trash service, and of course, any items pax request in between

I can certainly attest to this on F9. Those F/A's are really hustling! They are constantly in the aisles serving or pickng up something. I even like the water service! I have never had a disappearing F/A on Frontier. And I have always received service with a smile. If I go were Frontier goes, we go together!
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:18 pm

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 33):
Why cant the airlines grow the balls to raise ticket prices?

The competion is simply too intense. I haven't flown F9 but as a travel agent every time I have to deal with F9 the staff are very friendly and helpful with any help I might need.

Some raises have stuck lately. Prepare for more. They simply need to raise prices. Between the Hurricanes in the Gulf and the bombings in London fuel can't do anything but get more expensive.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 9):
Quoting N77014 (Reply 1):
The last thing F9 needs is to have their service look more and more like the legacy carriers.

Since service in the main cabin of U.S. airlines has sunk to the point where airlines differentiate themselves by how much complimentary soda they serve... it will be interesting to see what happens on my PHX-LAX flight on Southwest a few days from now. Last time I flew with WN on the same short hop (about 75 minutes from gate to gate, about 40 minutes at cruise altitude) no less than four rounds of complimentary soft drinks were offered (I politely declined after three); there were more than 100 pax aboard the 737-300 operating the flight.

Interestingly, my flight on WN was in conjunction with a legacy airline flight of about 3 hours in length. On the legacy, the FAs acted as if doing the pax a favor by offering two rounds of complimentary soft drinks (hiding out in the galleys the remainder of the time) on a flight with fewer pax on board. The legacy certainly differentiated itself from WN -- to put a positive spin on it, let's just say the legacy FAs were acting in a cost-conscious manner!?

WN can afford you the multiple soda service since their most critical costs; fuel (hedged), pensions (defined contribution), and other costs (fleet commonality, no meals or interlining) are so well contained. Soda is pennies on the dollar compared to what other carriers have to skimp on.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting Luvfa (Reply 30):
At WN during my recurrent training we were told to offer only the glass. If someone asks for the can of course we give it! My instructor said we'll give em the 6 pack if they want. The point is more than half the time when we collect the trash, half of the can gets poured into the trash. Of course our service like B6 is from trays not a cart which allows us to come by to offer frequent re-fills.
If any A-netters out there want a full can whenever you fly WN all you have to do is ask and we will happily oblige!

Funny thing about that. I once had a WN F/A (a beautiful girl that I ended up dating) bring me 2 cups, one of which I wanted and one of which was inspired by my previous drink order. I was really nice and said "oh, sorry, I didn't order that". She said "just take it" handed both to me and went to the galley and got me a third cup. Great airline

Quoting N77014 (Reply 44):
WN can afford you the multiple soda service since their most critical costs

The fact that WN self-caters helps loads on the cost end
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 35):
When you add in labor cost in the amount of time it takes the FA to pour 120 cups of drinks vice handing the pax a whole can of drink. No savings that I can see.

Because we serve the cabin with a tray, cans definitely take me more time to get them out to our customers. On one of our drink trays I can carry out 15-16 glasses but only 9-10 cans with 9-10 cups of ice. Serving cans mean I need to make extra trips from my galley to the cabin-- Not that I don't mind doing it if some one asks for a can; in that case I am not wasting it.

Little things that save money can be big in the big scope of thins. At Southwest we are taught to turn off reading lights while we cross SB and tidy the cabin. The less light bulbs we replace in a year can slightly impact our CASM.
 
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 40):
Unfortunately, its $5 on F9. I would imagine it could suck watching $5 PTV with a lap full of soda

they have 1 free channel which has a variety of programs, and most importantly for us airline geeks, the moving map is free.

Also all channels are free for Ascent and Summit members. Ascent level starts at just 15,000 miles.

I just flew F9 tonight DEN-BNA, they did do the cups and still did the Sun Chips/Doritos. A man next to me asked for the can and they didn't hesitate to bring it to him. They did an additional water service as well which is new. The flight is 1023 miles and only 2 Hrs 5 minutes.
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RE: Frontier Service Cuts

Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
If airlines really want to save money, they should get the postmix carts that National (Red Rock) debut just before going under.

I'm actually surprised no other airlines have picked up on this product. It gives a measure of beverage control by giving out precise amounts of product, plus you could reduce the need for as many drink stirrers (put the liquor in the cup, shoot in the mixer, you're good to go).

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):
Hey, how about this one for saving money....less ice on the planes! When we clean the RON planes at PDX, no more than two bags' worth of ice is ever used....and normal stock on an A32S or 737 is 6 bags of ice. We end up dumping more on the ground than is ever used on even a full flight.

I noticed that when I was a ramper for FL and EV back about 5 years back. There's no telling how much ice gets wasted on a daily basis by airlines. Bags sit in catering trucks or vans and melts, extra bags melting in the galleys of a/c, extra bags left on the ramp to melt, ramp crews snagging bags of ice for their drink coolers (or how it was when I was @ EV, ice for not only the drink cooler but to cool down the drinks one of our guys would liberate from catering (Heck, at EV half the time they didn't lock the doors on the catering trucks and if the closing crew had some late inbounds, someone would go grab a couple of six packs and a few bags of snacks from one). A bag of ice probably costs an airline less than a quarter a bag, that's a couple a bucks worth or ice on a transcon flight. That amount of money adds up pretty quickly when you look at it.