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Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:57 am

Would anybody happen to know why Thai flew from Osaka to New York today?

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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:40 am

Maybe subbing in for the A340-500 and thus requiring a fuel stop at Kansai?
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:01 am

Perhaps it was a VIP flight.
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:31 am

Quoting MEL (Reply 1):
Maybe subbing in for the A340-500 and thus requiring a fuel stop at Kansai?

That seems most likely... Would that be the first visit for a TG A346 at JFK then?
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:55 am

They had an engine problem which result in equipment switch to A346.
 
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:39 am

The return flight, TG791/06 Jul, an A346 made it from JFK-BKK non-stop in 16hours 31 minutes (16:31).

* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * TG 791 -2 WE 06JUL
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL)
JFK LEFT THE GATE 800P
TOOK OFF 858P
PLANE IS LATE (IN HOURS MINUTES) 0021
COMMERCIAL PUBLICITY / PASSENGER CONVENIENCE
PLANE IS LATE (IN HOURS MINUTES) 0009
LATE ARRIVAL OF AIRCRAFT
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 025A BKK
BKK AIRCRAFT LANDED 029A
ARRIVED 043A

* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * TG 791 -2 WE 06JUL ASM
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
JFK 730P WE CDJZUYBMHQT/M 346 17:10
KSVW/M
BKK 1140P TH 17:10
 
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:20 am

Is there any regular scheduled KIX-JFK/EWR service? If the answer is no, then why not?
 
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:07 pm

Northwest use to fly JFK-KIX-SYD many years ago three days a week. Why the route was stopped is beyond me. I guess not enough connecting passengers in New York as well as the fact that they still had a nonstop flight to NRT, which is a NW hub and obviously more convenient for connections in Japan and the rest of Asia. I was always hoping that JAL would launch that route from JFK, but I guess it won't happen.

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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:22 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 5):
The return flight, TG791/06 Jul, an A346 made it from JFK-BKK non-stop in 16hours 31 minutes (16:31).

I wonder if this is some kind of record....for example, the longest commercial flight by an A346. Isnt the CX JFK-HKG A346 flight the longest segment being flown by the A346??

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
Is there any regular scheduled KIX-JFK/EWR service? If the answer is no, then why not?

There is not - I guess that since NYC-Japan is basically all about O&D traffic, there is not enough demand for a daily service which is what most premium pax demand; I do not think that a 3 or 4 times per week service would work.

As pointed out, NW did fly JFK-Osaka for a while - that flight was operated in connection with the continuing service to Australia which became a very big mess - there was a rather akward dispute over the number of pax boarding at Osaka and number of pax that originated in the US. The result was that NW dropped the JFK-Osaka flight and then pulled out of Australia altogether.

There was speculation that CO would launch a EWR-Osaka flight (to be followed by a IAH-Osaka route) with a 772 - this was many years ago during the very optimistic late 1990s period - obviously, it never happened. The subsequent downturn in air traffic brought those rumors to an end, and CO seems to have bypassed Osaka at the moment and has/will launch flights to HKG, Dehli and Bejing (and maybe Shanghai if it gets the authority) instead with repsect to Asian destinations.
 
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 5):
The return flight, TG791/06 Jul, an A346 made it from JFK-BKK non-stop in 16hours 31 minutes (16:31).

That is positively back asswards. The plane should have had no trouble on the Eastbound segment, but should have hit headwinds on the return route.

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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
That is positively back asswards. The plane should have had no trouble on the Eastbound segment, but should have hit headwinds on the return route.

Uh? You should know better. Tail winds are Eastbound. It takes less time to fly US-Europe and Europe-SE Asia, than it does the other way around.
 
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):

That is positively back asswards. The plane should have had no trouble on the Eastbound segment, but should have hit headwinds on the return route.

If you look on a polar map, BKK is pretty much directly opposite NYC on the globe--just like SQ's EWR-SIN flight, it's not a clear cut "eastbound vs. westbound" distinction (like a typical transatlantic/transpacific flight). My understanding is that both legs are often "eastbound" (from BKK over Japan and the Pacific to JFK, then from JFK over northern Europe back to BKK), or neither (on days when the winds aren't as helpful and it goes straight over the Pole). So, the more difficult leg depends more on winds, weather and loads than simply direction.

I could imagine a scenario where, taking off from steamy Bangkok with a heavy load and a weak jetstream over the Pacific, a fuel stop was required for BKK-JFK, whereas if the weather in NY was cooler (which it certainly is today!), the load lighter and the winds favorable over the Atlantic, a nonstop was possible. This is entirely speculation and I don't know the actual circumstances of these flights, but my point is that it's not impossible that the return could be done nonstop while the outbound required a stop.
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:31 am

The outbound flight is almost always over the Pacific and the return over the N.Atlantic. This is to take advantage of the winds. There was a thread recently about SQ substituting a 777 for the A345 in the near future, with a stop in Japan IIRC. Same reason.
 
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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 10):
Uh? You should know better. Tail winds are Eastbound. It takes less time to fly US-Europe and Europe-SE Asia, than it does the other way around.

Planes flying from Bangkok to the US are flying East, taking advantage of the winds. Duh.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 11):
I could imagine a scenario where, taking off from steamy Bangkok with a heavy load and a weak jetstream over the Pacific, a fuel stop was required for BKK-JFK, whereas if the weather in NY was cooler (which it certainly is today!), the load lighter and the winds favorable over the Atlantic, a nonstop was possible.

Yeah I could ponder such a circumstance as well, but still... the Atlantic route is so much farther that even with favorable winds a A346 should have had issues.

There could easily have been a weak jetstream over the Pacific... but I can't imagine winds being favorable enough to make the flight work over the Atlantic.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 12):
There was a thread recently about SQ substituting a 777 for the A345 in the near future, with a stop in Japan IIRC.

Yes, Airbazar, the return has a stop. The outbound from Singapore does not, because the winds favor the Eastbound pacific crossing.

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RE: Thai A346 Osaka-New York?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 13):
Yeah I could ponder such a circumstance as well, but still... the Atlantic route is so much farther that even with favorable winds a A346 should have had issues.

Actually, although the distances are similar, the Atlantic route is often a bit shorter. That's why the quickest connecting flights from JFK to BKK are usually via Europe (in particular, BA's daytime flight to LHR, connecting immediately to the evening QF codeshare to BKK), and why MH routes its 1-stop service between EWR and KUL via ARN. The connections via NRT tend to be more popular simply because NW and UA's hub operations there generally mean shorter layover times than in Europe, where flights often arrive from NY in the morning but leave for SE Asia in the evening.

To illustrate this, look at the Great Circle Mapper: http://tinyurl.com/dcxjw
JFK to BKK via ARN (which I picked arbitrarily as a northern European city) is only 9060 miles, whereas BKK to JFK via KIX is 9528 miles.
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