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Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:56 pm

I noticed a while back that this once saver service flight which was supposed to resume service in may has actually not and I would like to know why? The Midwest route map still shows MKE-SFO. Details anyone?  Smile
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Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:54 pm

They stop in Kansas City both ways.Its been that way for almost a year.
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:01 am

Is this not a seasonal searvice? I was offered to pass travel on that flight to interview for Skyway.
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 2):
Is this not a seasonal searvice?

It was originally season service with a 1900 MKE Departure, and a red-eye return. It was not reinstated this past April, as they had sufficient connecting traffic through MCI.

MCI still uses the Signature-80s, so it is a bit of an improvement over what the n/s offered.

I wish the n/s would return, as it was timed well for transpac departures  Sad
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:37 am

Last summer Midwest few MKE-SFO with Saver (2x3) aircraft. It carried very light loads:

Westbound (roughly 7:25pm departure)
May 48.9%
Jun 49.8%
Jul 62.6%
Aug 57.0%
Sep 45.0%

Eastbound (redeye flight)
May 37.3%
Jun 42.1%
Jul 49.0%
Aug 43.1%
Sep 32.4%

Why so dismal?

(1) The flights were at unattractive off-peak times. This MKE-SFO-MKE was essentially an overnight "utilization" flight. The evening departure isn't particularly desirable, and the redeye return is generally to be avoided. The eastbound redeye carried on average 22% fewer passengers that the evening westbound.

(2) Daytime flight (via MCI) is Signature, while this was Saver. Not a positive.

(3) Too many seats for a relative thin market. Before Saver, Midwest used to fly MKE-SFO nonstop with 112-seat M88's from April through December. Loads were usually strong during summer, but yield was comparably weak. Last year's Saver flights were with 143-seat M88's, and for an off-peak flight like this one it was simply too many seats. They averaged 67.3 pax per flight, but that's just not going to cut it.

Loads on MKE-MCI-SFO have been very heavy, particularly this summer. So I wouldn't be too surprised to find next summer either:

(a) a daytime MKE-SFO nonstop with a Saver aircraft, or

(b) added MCI-SFO service (Signature) to give both MCI and MKE more access to San Francisco.

If they can comfortably send the 717 on MCI-SFO instead of the M80, then option B seems more likely.
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:40 am

I think this is as much a (suitable) aircraft availability issue as it is a low traffic issue as Knope2001 mentions. YX only has two aircraft capable of reaching the westcoast from MKE without severe weight restrictions and they are deployed on MKE-LAX and MKE-LAS.

I have heard from people at YX that they are on the lookout for M88 or M83 aircraft to do more longhaul flying from MKE. I think MKE-SEA is high on the wish list once suitable aircraft can be located. Summer MKE-SFO service at decent times would also fall into this category perhaps
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:36 am

I'm curious to see what they add in the coming months. I think they pick up one or two birds between now and the Holiday season.

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