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Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:11 am

Since Maryland recently got a Southwest themed plane, I was wondering would they ever paint one for Illinois? Chicago Midway is definitely one of their "hubs", even though they claim not to have any. But, it is their # 3 city in terms of daily departures. Baltimore is # 4. How New Mexico got a themed plane is beyond me, but there must be a good reason. Maybe someone can tell me why. Anyway, what are your thoughts?

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:18 am

Have you seen their flag? It's just a logo. Whoptie doo, sorry Illinios, but your flag blows. If it didn't have "ILLINOIS" written below it (added by the legislature in 1967) you would have no clue what state it represents.

A color scheme based from this flag would be unexciting in my opinion: Eurowhite with a logo just doesn't fit WN.



Maybe they could just do the City of Chicago flag:

 
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:30 am

The Chicago flag would be Kewl.

New Mexico One just looks neat. Maybe that's why they did it!
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:36 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
A color scheme based from this flag would be unexciting in my opinion: Eurowhite with a logo just doesn't fit WN.

Maybe since the world bows before Southwest, Illinois should add a checkered look to its flag like MD so that it will get its own painted plane.. Wink

I do agree with LUV4JFK, considering the amount of WN service in IL.

Maybe NC will gets its colors on one someday, that could be neat!

Anyone know what criteria WN uses before painting a state colors aircraft?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
A color scheme based from this flag would be unexciting in my opinion: Eurowhite with a logo just doesn't fit WN

Unexciting indeed... Can anyone come up with a picture of what this plane might look like? Maybe they could break with tradition and instead of the Illinois flag, try something with scenes from Illinois, kind of like how the state quarters are done... try something like the Sears Tower on the tail.... just a thought, but I can't see how this would look as good as there other planes... this plane just seems like it would look, well, plain.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting LUV4JFK (Thread starter):
Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Maybe they will paint a penny on it and the slogan Land of Lincoln...

Quoting Midway2airtran (Reply 3):
flag like MD so that it will get its own painted plane..

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Quoting Midway2airtran (Reply 3):
Anyone know what criteria WN uses before painting a state colors aircraft?

Kickbacks from a state’s Tourism Bureau!  Wink

Are you talking about how SWA picks a state or how they go about rendering a state’s flag?

SWA consulted a Native American contingent over New Mexico One.


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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:02 am

yeah, the chicago flag would be pretty fucking sweet i think.

or they could put any of these (or all of them) noteworthy illinoisans on the side of their airplane

Al Capone
Mayor Daley (either of them)
Ronald Reagan
Barak Obama
Michael Jordan
Billy Corgan
R Kelly


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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:05 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
Al Capone

Not something Illinois would want everyone remembering them for I would think...

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
Mayor Daley (either of them)



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
Barak Obama

I don't think WN would want to get into politics like that, or at least give the (literal) appearance of it.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
SWA consulted a Native American contingent over New Mexico One.

That was the Zia Pueblo, I believe. I believe the reason for that was the fact that the sun symbol on the New Mexico flag actually originated with them, and it is sacred to them.

Actually, I think you could come up with a pretty spiffy Illinois One if you emphasized that eagle, the stars and stripes shield, and the red ribbon in the eagle's beak.
 
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
Whoptie doo, sorry Illinios, but your flag blows

our flag blows? are you kidding.

it's more creative than the one for Texas, that's for sure.

why they don't just go back and adopt the car from Dukes of Hazard is beyond me.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:15 am

btw, the texas state flag.

http://www.50states.com/flag/txflag.htm

and we get ripped on for putting "Illinois" on ours....come now...
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:18 am

Hehe its good to be in maryland Big grin

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
they could put any of these (or all of them) noteworthy illinoisans on the side of their airplane

How about Harry Caray?



Maybe WN could do something similar to what FL did with Sir Elton John's image. Either that paint Caray's big glasses on the front of the plane, around the windows. Big grin

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
How about Harry Caray?

that'd make a splash when it passed through St. Louis....

perhaps a few low flying passes over the Busch home?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:33 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
Actually, I think you could come up with a pretty spiffy Illinois One if you emphasized that eagle, the stars and stripes shield, and the red ribbon in the eagle's beak.

Good point that I didn't think of.... Just so long as they don't do the side of the fuselage EXACTLY like the Illinois flag... then it would suck.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:35 am

Will Southwest paint an "Illinois One?"

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WN can do that (picture of Harry Caray - to honor him). I understand that Southwest is Chicago's sponsor?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:42 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
If it didn't have "ILLINOIS" written below it (added by the legislature in 1967) you would have no clue what state it represents.

Gee, you're right. There's no way you could look up what state entered the union in 1818.  Yeah sure

Who knows why Illinois' flag just has a field with "a logo" on it... if only they were like most other state flags that are so distinctive and identifiable.....why don't you tell us what states these flags represent, DFWRevolution... no fair cheating if you can only tell because the state's name is on it:





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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:48 am

Second row, second from right is Michigan...

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:51 am

Second row, third from right is Massachusetts

Fourth row, second from right is Pennsylvania.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:52 am

24 states (give or take a few if i missed some) have their state names written on their flag.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:03 am

..........all these state flags are BORING.

MD1 looks great.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 7):

I don't think WN would want to get into politics like that, or at least give the (literal) appearance of it.

it was a joke

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
How about Harry Caray?

i definitely like this idea. They are the official airline of the chicago cubs, and everytime a cub hits a homerun they do the "Southwest Airlines How Far Did it Fly?".



in summary

the cubs, Harry Caray, and Southwest are awesome
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:41 am

Is Southwest still the official airline of the Cubs? If so, I think a Cubbie plane would be the greatest thing ever. Of course, it would have to have the Harry Carey logo that is on patches on the players' uniforms. Do they still wear those patches? I haven't been able to catch a Cubbie game on tv this season.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:44 am

As the years go by, Southwest has grown significantly in the northeastern corner of the US. Hell it's been just over 10 years since they turned out Baltimore, and since then they've literally nearly claimed:

Albany, NY
Buffalo, NY
Hartford/Springfield, CT
Islip, Long Island, NY
Manchester, NH
Philadelphia, PA
Pittsburgh, PA (borderline midwest, and still fledgling)
Providence, RI

What would be cool is if they had a plane painted in either of the cities respective state's flags, or since they are all moderate-to-large sized cities, have depictions of the city landscapes (or whatever they're famous for - mountains for MHT, Niagara Falls for BUF, etc). That would be one hot looking airplane. Call it Nor'easter One, after the famous storms that see us damn near weekly from November - April.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 16):
why don't you tell us what states these flags represent, DFWRevolution... no fair cheating if you can only tell because the state's name is on it:

You could at least try to find some images with better resolutions there. Oh and first row, second from the right is Indiana, second row, second from the left is Louisiana, and fourth row's first and last flags are North Carolina and South Carolina, respectively.

Should South Carolina ever get a decent amount of WN service, I think a "Palmetto One" might look nice  



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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 24):
Should South Carolina ever get a decent amount of WN service, I think a "Palmetto One" might look nice

and everyone is saying Illinois would be too bland?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 25):
and everyone is saying Illinois would be too bland?

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Wayfarer:
I understand that Southwest is Chicago's sponsor?

WN is everyone's sponsor...even though the Cubs fly United.  Wink

If they used the Chicago flag, it would look like a flying squad car.

DfwRevolution, the Texas flag sure as hell doesn't make me think of Texas.  Wink
 
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:28 am

OK -- how many WN 737s in special schemes? So, currently, far seven of them?


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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 28):
So, currently, far seven of them

11. Here's the breakdown:

Arizona One
California One
Lone Star One
Maryland One
Nevada One
New Mexico One
Shamu I
Shamu II
Shamu III
Silver One
Triple Crown One
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:43 am

Wayfarer,

You forgot a couple:


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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:45 am

Here's what I don't get....

You guys love the New Mexico plane, and the New Mexico state flag is a yellow flag with a goofy looking Native American symbol on it, it's pretty damn plain. But the Illinois flag which has more detail and more going on with it, is "bland and boring"?

Or the California flag, it's plain white with a Grizzly bear on it, come on now....

STLGph, where abouts in Illinois do you live?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 26):
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

well, i like color. that's all.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 31):
STLGph, where abouts in Illinois do you live?

for tax purposes i have an apartment in Edwardsville, in addition to an apartment i have in St. Louis. my family has homes in Indiana. so it's quite fun to say i live in three states at the same time. makes me feel reeeeeeeeeeal special. haha.

i'm from Champaign originally.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:02 am

You can't put the Sears Tower on the tail. It would look like Chicago express was back with a 737. Chicago One is a great idea.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:03 am

Southwest has enough State theme planes. How about a city theme plane? Since Pittsburgh is latest addition to the Southwest family, how about a Pittsburgh One? It could be painted in Black and Gold and in letters "Go Steelers" painted on both sides. That would make people stand up and take notice!

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
our flag blows? are you kidding.

it's more creative than the one for Texas, that's for sure.

why they don't just go back and adopt the car from Dukes of Hazard is beyond me.

yeah the flag does "suck" as they say. THe Texas flag which flew over an independent republic no less, was recently voted second best in North America (New Mexico was #1, Quebec #3). As for the general Lee remark, the Texas Lone Star has no relation nor even resemblance to the Confederate Battle cross. Your remark is uneducated, unresearched, and stinks of false bias. The state seal on flag concept is boring. States like Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, Alaska, etc have great, recognisable flags and colours. If you see a general Lee resemblance you need to look at Florida, Alabama or Mississippi.

Vexiolloigists (who study flags) have several websites, FOTW.com is one, with more info. Oh and most scholars agree putting words on a flag is a no-no. If you have to put your name on the flag to be recognised, it must be fairly non-descript.

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 35):
Vexiolloigists (who study flags) have several websites, FOTW.com is one, with more info. Oh and most scholars agree putting words on a flag is a no-no. If you have to put your name on the flag to be recognised, it must be fairly non-descript.

fotw.com? filmmakers of the web? coming soon? that website? yeah, that's quite the expert flag site.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 35):
The state seal on flag concept is boring.

This remark is uneducated, unresearched, and stinks of false bias

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 35):
THe Texas flag which flew over an independent republic no less, was recently voted second best in North America (New Mexico was #1, Quebec #3).

and who voted for this?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:13 am

So what, just because some guy who studies flags says you shouldn't put words on one, makes any flag with words crap? Give me a break...
 
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 37):
So what, just because some guy who studies flags says you shouldn't put words on one, makes any flag with words crap? Give me a break...

he's just upset that Texas decided to be cool and join the rest of the states.

it happens.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:21 am

so STLGph

your signature says "proud to be a blue stater" but you say you're from 3 different states, and only one of them is blue.

wtf man, W-T-F


seriously i dunno im just trying to make a silly post or something since we don't have to hate each other in this thread since this isn't a Wright Amendment themed one, haha.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:24 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 36):
fotw.com? filmmakers of the web? coming soon? that website? yeah, that's quite the expert flag site.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 35):
The state seal on flag concept is boring.

This remark is uneducated, unresearched, and stinks of false bias

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 35):
THe Texas flag which flew over an independent republic no less, was recently voted second best in North America (New Mexico was #1, Quebec #3).

and who voted for this?

my typo due to my comm links, correct one
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/

Well put it this way kid, the majority of vexilliogists/historians, web voters, and even folks on this site, say it is boring, and I'll go with that. I'm sorry you take it personally, as no one has cast aspersions at Illinois per se, just the flag.


sorry kid, your flag sucks, get over it. Your remarks, as I noted were uneducated as the Texas flag has no resemblance, nor historical reference to the COnfederate cross. You were wrong. Sorry.


The vote was two fold, historians/vexillogists, and via the web.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:24 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 39):
so STLGph

your signature says "proud to be a blue stater" but you say you're from 3 different states, and only one of them is blue.

wtf man, W-T-F

very good...you caught onto that.

my driver's license and voter's registration card stays registered in Illinois, my friend. ;p

the missouri residence is free with my job since i get a per diem housing allowance for each month, but it has to stay in st. louis county. parents are under the same type of contract with their jobs for indiana.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:31 am

Plus the fact, Missouri and Indiana are just suburbs of Illinois anyway...


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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 40):
Your remarks, as I noted were uneducated as the Texas flag has no resemblance, nor historical reference to the COnfederate cross. You were wrong. Sorry.

uneducated?

dad, i never made any reference to the confederate cross. the dukes of hazard car is the dukes of hazard car. the confederate cross is the confederate cross.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 40):
Well put it this way kid, the majority of vexilliogists/historians, web voters, and even folks on this site, say it is boring, and I'll go with that. I'm sorry you take it personally, as no one has cast aspersions at Illinois per se, just the flag.

The North American Vexillological Association (NAVA)? oh come on, give me a break. and they even go so far as to try to say the right way and the wrong way to design a flag?

please. give me a break with this circle jerk of morons begging for attention. if your precious NAVA group is so damn talented, then why don't they just re-design all the flags for us?
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:54 am

I'd like to know if WN would ever consider a Michigan One, despite the fact NW rules over DTW. An Illinois One would make a lot of sense, though. And yes, I too would like to know what makes WN consider painting a state plane.
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 42):
Plus the fact, Missouri and Indiana are just suburbs of Illinois anyway...

yep, but iowa is it's own state :p


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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:58 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 45):
yep, but iowa is it's own state :p

who?

;p
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 45):
yep, but iowa is it's own state

Of course... because no one will claim it.  Smile
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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 43):
dad, i never made any reference to the confederate cross. the dukes of hazard car is the dukes of hazard car. the confederate cross is the confederate cross.

Kid, you mentioned the "Dukes of Hazzard" car which is orange (not a colour on the Texas flag) which has a Confederate battle flag on top. The only flag on the car. We like to call these facts.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 43):
The North American Vexillological Association (NAVA)? oh come on, give me a break. and they even go so far as to try to say the right way and the wrong way to design a flag?

please. give me a break with this circle jerk of morons begging for attention. if your precious NAVA group is so damn talented, then why don't they just re-design all the flags for us?

Georgia did actually, but I digress. As for design, heraldry goes back for centuries and there are "rules" or guidlines if you prefer.


Your juvenile immature porn-esq comments show frustration at having been proven wrong in your assumption. Casting aspersions at NAVA (of which I have no affiliation) does not discount the fact Illinois has a bland flag according to the majority.
So again, WN will not do the Illinois flag anytime soon, Chicago maybe, Illinois, unlikely-as others have so eloquently sated.

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RE: Will Southwest Paint An "Illinois One"?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:17 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 48):
Kid, you mentioned the "Dukes of Hazzard" car which is orange (not a colour on the Texas flag) which has a Confederate battle flag on top. The only flag on the car. We like to call these facts.

dad, a the General Lee is not a confederate flag. *that* is a fact. it is an orange car decorated to look all pretty. *that* is also a fact.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 48):
As for design, heraldry goes back for centuries and there are "rules" or guidlines if you prefer.

yes. the FOTW website said it goes back to September 1993.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 48):
Your juvenile immature porn-esq comments show frustration at having been proven wrong in your assumption.

where?

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 48):
Casting aspersions at NAVA (of which I have no affiliation) does not discount the fact Illinois has a bland flag according to the majority.

where?

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 48):
So again, WN will not do the Illinois flag anytime soon,

said who?

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 48):
Chicago maybe, Illinois, unlikely-as others have so eloquently sated.

said who?


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