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B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:25 am

JetBlue just reported great June numbers (89% LF), but I'm concerned that this month will not be as good for them. I've been looking at fares in order to find how full flights are (the higher the price, the fuller the flight). For tomorrow, July 8th, it doesn't look as if their flights are all that full...and this surprises me as it's a Friday in July:

Some IAD-LGB flights are selling at base prices or the level right above. Also, BOS-LAS (in both directions) is selling at $119 -- that's a sale fare! BQN-JFK is at $119 too, and JFK-DEN is at base pricing. LGB-JFK hasn't been as full as it has in the past either.

It seems to me that the new higher pricing is putting a bit of a damper on demand. While I was expecting to see lighter traffic due to the $144 transcon instead of $119 like last year, I didn't think it would turn off too many people. After all, this is the busy summer travel season and I'd think that people would be willing to scoop out some additional $50 per round-trip ticket.

Don't forget about DL/Song's additional capacity between NYC-SoCal/SF Bay/SEA + SJU. Tomorrow Song isn't looking all that impressive between LAX and JFK, so I wouldn't expect 7x in the summer next year unless things pick up a little. It's still way to early to tell for SEA and SFO as both are only 1x (right now). SJU was packed on Song in both directions, but B6 was also.

Also, could it be that it's the weekend after the 4th of July, and therefore it's less busy? I don't know specific travel patterns of the summer all that well, but I'd think that every flight would be full from the end of June 'til the end of August.

In any case, JetBlue's flights down to Florida have been PACKED to the gills, which is surprising as it's the off-peak season for the market...

Any comments would be appreciated.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:01 am

Its quite possible that they are just lowering the prices for the more immediate departures because they already have enough yield on the flight to make it profitable- thus, any more yield they can obtain, be it the highes walk up or the base fare, is still money in the bank. They tend to do this quite a bit on the less common routes. jetBlue's fare structure, while it seems simple, really isn't. They play hide-and-seek with all the different fare codes, a lot of the times regardless with how many seats on the plane are full...

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:10 am

Everyone I have spoken to about it said b6 was wonderful and the flights were 90% full last week out of BOS.
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:12 am

but if they are selling seats so low, 90% isn't meaningful. What's meaningful is how the loads look next week before the firesales. Every airline does firesales last minute. I get last minute deal emails from CO and DL all the time. book by 3 days, return by 6 sort of thing. Doesn't mean that the yields on that route are worth anything.
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Thread starter):
Some IAD-LGB flights are selling at base prices or the level right above.

So? Our loads on this route are still going out at 145+ people just about everyday.

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Thread starter):
LGB-JFK hasn't been as full as it has in the past either.

I beg to differ. Those flights are full most of the week. There are 1-2 days a week where the loads dip down to 140 or so. This is the best selling route for us from LGB.

We usually are about 90-98% full every week on every flight leaving LGB. Sometimes there are slow days but that is not too often at all.
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:02 am

I am amazed at the frequency B6 has out of JFK. 12 or so to MCO, 7 to BUF, 20+ to FLL. Have they stimulated the market enough to generate new traffic or are most of these passengers former DL or US passengers? I really didn't think the majors have cut back capacity on any of these competing routes.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:12 am

I beg to differ. Those flights are full most of the week. There are 1-2 days a week where the loads dip down to 140 or so. This is the best selling route for us from LGB.

We usually are about 90-98% full every week on every flight leaving LGB. Sometimes there are slow days but that is not too often at all.


Icebird757,

While JFK-LGB-JFK is definitely an excellent performer throughout the whole year, it seems that tomorrow and even today have seen less than expected passenger levels. For example, tomorrow's 1st redeye (the one that gets in around 4:30am) is selling at $149. That flight, like the rest of JetBlue's LGB-JFKs, is usually sold out or at $299. I'm not saying that JFK-LGB and back has been selling poorly -- just not as good as it has in the past. Don't forget that the 2nd ONT and the BUR flights could have something to do with this.

In any case, I hope that this is one of the slow days. I know that LGB is a great performer for B6 and I hope that they can take full advantage of it as far as yields and loads since it is so restricted.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:36 am

Firstly, the fare level is not a definite indicator that the flights are not well booked - there could be other reasons (ie, competition) that JetBlue is holding fares at lower levels on the subject flights. We sometime draw incorrect conclusions by looking at clues such as fare levels or seating charts to predict how a route or an airline is doing, and sometimes we come up with the wrong answers.

That being said, JetBlue, which has been an amazing success thus far, is going to be facing more and more competition.......other airlines now take JetBlue seriously and are not going to let JetBlue simply take over key routes. Song, for example, is competing strongly with JetBlue out of JFK (and it does not matter if you like Song or JetBlue's product better, they can compete) and IAD is a bit of a free-for-all with I-Air putting a lot of pressure on pricing and United trying to hold its position at its IAD hub. While I think that JetBlue will continue to do well, but the easy days are over and in the future JetBlue will have to work harder to keep its planes filled - there will be more compeition everywhere that they fly and finding high-demand routes (like the NYC-Florida runs) where they can impact the market will be more difficult.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:28 am

Some of you keep arguing back with only the listed fares on the website to make your point. There is a lot more than the fare the website currently is charging to determine if the flight is full or making money. For one, why don't you start listening to the people that can actually get onto the jetBlue system, look up the flight loads, and see the system loads each day.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:51 am

I load the flights for B6 at JFK and the gate sheet that I get every morning and night when I work the night shift has our flights booked at 145 or better. Mostly full with the exception of a few upstate flights at 95. Where pretty full through the summer. The loads drop off dramatically in Sept. which is a very light month with Oct. As far as fares go. I have no clue how that works I just load the cargo. This terminal is a freakin zoo everyday. So loads out of JFK are going out pretty damn heavy. Hope this helps, I know the thread is for IAD but haven't been down there in awhile.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 9):
I load the flights for B6 at JFK and the gate sheet that I get every morning and night when I work the night shift has our flights booked at 145 or better. Mostly full with the exception of a few upstate flights at 95. Where pretty full through the summer. The loads drop off dramatically in Sept. which is a very light month with Oct. As far as fares go. I have no clue how that works I just load the cargo. This terminal is a freakin zoo everyday. So loads out of JFK are going out pretty damn heavy. Hope this helps, I know the thread is for IAD but haven't been down there in awhile.

Same here at LGB.
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:38 am

When the 4Q DOT fares report comes out soon. I will post an analysis of Jetblue/Song head to head routes both for load factor, yields, and a approximate RASM.

Historically, if there is one lackluster Jetblue route it is JFK-SLC.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:02 am

Ummm ...

Isn't JetBlue a, *ahem*, LOW FARE airline??

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:04 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 11):
Historically, if there is one lackluster Jetblue route it is JFK-SLC

Are you talking about loads? Because if you are you must be kidding.

In May 2005, JetBlue had over a 90% load factor on its flights from SLC. That is higher than JetBlue's May 2005 system-wide loadfactor of 86.6% for all flights nationwide.

As far as I know, B6 is still doing just fine even with DL's new 763 SLC-JFK flight that leaves at about the same time every night and CO's SLC-EWR red-eye flight.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 13):
Are you talking about loads? Because if you are you must be kidding

Yes I'm talking about loads and yields in general over a longer period than 1 Month.

Maybe you're kidding? You think Jetblue has 90% load factors Month in an Month out on this route? When I pull up the 3rd Q reports I see Jetblue flying 202 passengers back and forth each day. Roughly, speaking that's a 65% load factor.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:38 am

Here is what I am going off of:

B6 reported to SLC airport they boarded 8,770 revenue pax in the month of May. There are two daily departures, one to LGB one to JFK. There are 31 days in May which equates to 282.9 pax boardings per day or an avg. of 141.45 pax per flight. 141.45 seats filled on a 156 seat aircraft indicates 90.6% of seats filled.

YTD, the factor (according to the numbers given by B6 to the airport) shows a YTD load factor of 92.5%

I was going off of those numbers. I'm not trying feud or anything.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:52 am

Well, I can't tell you how the JFK-LGB is doing, but the OAK-LGB was full and there were standby customers. The JFK-OAK flight was also about 90%.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:02 am

I don't know that seems high. I don't know if SLC airport is getting operational load factor numbers that would include non-revs, employees on postive space tickets, and of course it's not broken down by LGB/JFK markets.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 17):
I don't know that seems high. I don't know if SLC airport is getting operational load factor numbers that would include non-revs, employees on postive space tickets, and of course it's not broken down by LGB/JFK markets.

Well he gave you the numbers and it shows that route is doing great for them, so there you go.
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Quoting Quickmover (Reply 5):
I am amazed at the frequency B6 has out of JFK. 12 or so to MCO, 7 to BUF, 20+ to FLL. Have they stimulated the market enough to generate new traffic or are most of these passengers former DL or US passengers? I really didn't think the majors have cut back capacity on any of these competing routes.

Yes it really is amazing that they can have so many flights for such a young carrier!

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 6):
I'm not saying that JFK-LGB and back has been selling poorly -- just not as good as it has in the past. Don't forget that the 2nd ONT and the BUR flights could have something to do with this.

Sure extra frequencies and ONT and adding BUR has taken some PAX from LGB but I still think LGB is doing great it shows they can handle all those lA flights well.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 8):
There is a lot more than the fare the website currently is charging to determine if the flight is full or making money. For one, why don't you start listening to the people that can actually get onto the jetBlue system, look up the flight loads, and see the system loads each day.

Yes, as some one said before that the fare structure is very complicated and having the flights as costing alot doesn't mean it is near full, some times it could only be 3/4 full and they want to get more money out of it because of the season and they know people will pay for it.

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 9):
I load the flights for B6 at JFK and the gate sheet that I get every morning and night when I work the night shift has our flights booked at 145 or better. Mostly full with the exception of a few upstate flights at 95. Where pretty full through the summer. The loads drop off dramatically in Sept. which is a very light month with Oct. As far as fares go. I have no clue how that works I just load the cargo. This terminal is a freakin zoo everyday. So loads out of JFK are going out pretty damn heavy. Hope this helps, I know the thread is for IAD but haven't been down there in awhile.

Yes! It gets very crowded, especially on bad weather days!! I heard a new cargo belt is going up at Gate 17, so hopefully that will ease the congestion down in the Ramp area.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 18):
Well he gave you the numbers and it shows that route is doing great for them, so there you go.
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He did give "numbers". Which had to do with SLC boardings only. Which had nothing to do with yields, did not specify markets, did not specify if they were revenue passengers boardings only.

So there you go.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:58 am

Oh and BTW. Aviation Daily published a load factor analysis of Jetlblue routes and SLC-JFK by far and away had the lowest load factors. Now this was over a year ago, but not much has changed to raise this markets load factor relative to any other Jetblue market.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:00 am

They specified SLC flights showing all the bordings for flights and most of the time you never would count non-rev passengers because they could easily switch flights so you don't know what flight to count them for so you normally don't count them.

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 11):
When the 4Q DOT fares report comes out soon. I will post an analysis of Jetblue/Song head to head routes both for load factor, yields, and a approximate RASM.

Wait, you have access to Song's numbers and stuff??????

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 21):
Wait, you have access to Song's numbers and stuff??????

Yes I do. Are you saying I don't?


Look I'm all for you shaking your pom poms for Jetblue. It's cute. I gave the you the exact average number of passengers Jetblue accomodates fromJFK to SLC. 202 per day both ways for the 3rd Quarter. I'm sure they get a little connecting service as well. Shaking your pom poms is not going to change this.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 22):
Yes I do. Are you saying I don't?

No I just thought they didn't release those numbers. Sorry for asking.

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 22):
Look I'm all for you shaking your pom poms for Jetblue. It's cute. I gave the you the exact average number of passengers Jetblue accomodates fromJFK to SLC. 202 per day both ways for the 3rd Quarter. I'm sure they get a little connecting service as well. Shaking your pom poms is not going to change this.

I am not shaking pom poms I am saying what the numbers have stated, that load factor to and from SLC from JFK AND LGB is about 90%. That isn't cheering them on, it is stating the numbers. That is it, no cheerleaders involved.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 23):
that load factor to and from SLC from JFK AND LGB is about 90%

Where are you getting this 90% figure? Source it.

If you are going by SLC boardings that is a wild guess.. I'll say it again for the third time, SLC does not break down the boarding by market. You do not know if they include non revs/positive space.

I'd love to know with the load factor is. In fact, when I go to work tommorow I will come back and tell you "exactly" what their load factor was in Jan/Feb and March.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:23 am

Just go up a couple posts and read a jetBlue insiders numbers. That is my source. It isn't that hard to find it, just move your mouse up a little.

That's it.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 17):
that would include non-revs, employees on postive space tickets, and of course it's not broken down by LGB/JFK markets.

From my earlier post:

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 15):
boarded 8,770 revenue pax

Again, these were numbers given to the airport by B6. And you are correct, it doesn't break down the LGB/JFK markets but it gives a pretty good idea.

I have flown B6 three times SLC-JFK/JFK-SLC, once as a nonrev and twice I bought a ticket. All of those flights were full (I was lucky to get a seat as a nonrev). I have also attempted to nonrev several times on the SLC-JFK run and couldn't because it was full.

Finally, the last thing I wanted was for this thread to become so negative and there be bickering back and forth. It was not my intention. I only posted the information I have, which is also published. It would be nice if people on this forum could talk with each other in a civil matter without being at each other's throats all the time.

So everyone take a deep breath and relax, this topic really isn't that big of a deal. Ok? No hard feelings.  Smile

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 18):
Yes! It gets very crowded, especially on bad weather days!! I heard a new cargo belt is going up at Gate 17, so hopefully that will ease the congestion down in the Ramp area.


Bad weather really isn't a problem for us. As a matter a fact today was a pretty calm day for us load wise. Bagroom was pretty smooth for a change. As for the new outbound carousel goes, its not going to ease the ramp. If anything it will let the company add even more flights which this terminal can't handle. I was told at a briefing by my manager that we will be at 127 flights by NOV. That's ridiculous. Nealman and Barger were in the bagroom themselves and couldn't believe the congestion. We got all kinds of people coming down all of sudden trying to correct the mess that they started. Our MBR is at 10 and only two days ago it was at 14. We're worst in the industry on on-time performance and I see why that is everyday. Enough with the added flights already. Deal with what you got. (that's to B6 JetblueatJFK not you) All I'm saying is we got problems here. Perhaps you work for B6 and aren't aware of the problems. Anyway you see the stress. I'm just writing this for information its by no means an attack toward you. Its a nice airline but all is not what it seems.
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:29 am

Neelemans' plan hit a road block. He thought he would just pile ASMs into JFK and FLL and drive other carriers off the routes. (Starting LGA-FLL when little ole Spirit had an average fare of $85 already) He totally ignored the congestion factor and is blaming the weather of 6 straight months of low on-time scores due in large part to his own build up in these same airports. BOS is headed for the same fate.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 11):
When the 4Q DOT fares report comes out soon. I will post an analysis of Jetblue/Song head to head routes both for load factor, yields, and a approximate RASM.

I would be really interested to see this!  hyper 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:35 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 29):
I would be really interested to see this

I will be too. I already have a general idea of what will show up. Jetblue will lead in load factor in almost every market, more so in JFK than BOS. Song in general makes up for this in yield out of BOS. At JFK they trail yield as well, but not like they did in the past. FLL really stands out for Jetblue, in other Florida destinations Delta has held it's ground better.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:36 am

Ok, let me stir the pot here a little bit:

Would a LGB-ANC or JFK-SEA-ANC flight work on B6? Perhaps starting as a seasonal and progressing to year-round depending on loads? I would be willing to bet that Alaskans would be fighting to get onboard B6 if they brought some low fares to the market.

Or, to avoid taking on AS, a JFK-PDX-ANC flight?

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:45 am

and is blaming the weather of 6 straight months of low on-time scores due in large part to his own build up in these same airports.

As someone who lives just 20 miles from JFK, my house gets hit by the same weather as the airport does. This past winter was a MESS -- icy streets and snow galore: it sucked. April had lots of rain as did May (both months were actually decent as far as being on-time, 77% and 82% respectively). June was filled with humid days followed by heavy rainstorms. And I'm not talking about one day -- but up to 6 or 7. The tower at JFK also closed down one day for some reason; flights pushed on-time but couldn't get out for hours.

In all reality, JetBlue has been doing fine for an airline which has the MAJORITY of its flights in one of the worst cities (for weather) in the world! In fact, my town (Massapequa) has to redo certain streets that were repaved last year. Why? Because this past winter was especially bad on the streets, according to their website.

So don't say that JetBlue's on-time factor is going down b/c of congestion at JFK. While I'm sure that has something to do with it, the biggest factor is the sucky weather we NY'ers experience.

I'd LOVE to see Song's on-time factor for JFK, but then again, that info is restricted.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:01 am

These days I wouldn't judge fares to be indicators of booked flights considering that LF's are nearly 80%+ for most airlines(except WN) and there are still low fares everywhere across the board. As for IAD, B6 may be lowering last min fares to take customers from Indy who would otherwise book on DH where fares can be typically lower?

Sometimes the rate of bookings may be a factor with B6 booking most of the a/c months in advance (many passengers plan ahead for summer vacations) reducing the rate of current bookings, prompting them to lower the fare to generate more passengers/revenue.

If B6 is weak in a market, we'll see them drop it all together, wasn't that learned in ATL? They have many markets out there demanding their product that can be well-productive!
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:13 am

B6's flights were 88% on-time out of JFK. No cancellations. DL and AA were roughly 86% on-time. AA cancelled .53% and DL cancelled .31%.

May figures.

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 32):
As someone who lives just 20 miles from JFK, my house gets hit by the same weather as the airport does. This past winter was a MESS -- icy streets and snow galore: it sucked. April had lots of rain as did May (both months were actually decent as far as being on-time, 77% and 82% respectively). June was filled with humid days followed by heavy rainstorms. And I'm not talking about one day -- but up to 6 or 7. The tower at JFK also closed down one day for some reason; flights pushed on-time but couldn't get out for hours.

In all reality, JetBlue has been doing fine for an airline which has the MAJORITY of its flights in one of the worst cities (for weather) in the world! In fact, my town (Massapequa) has to redo certain streets that were repaved last year. Why? Because this past winter was especially bad on the streets, according to their website.

So don't say that JetBlue's on-time factor is going down b/c of congestion at JFK. While I'm sure that has something to do with it, the biggest factor is the sucky weather we NY'ers experience.

I'd LOVE to see Song's on-time factor for JFK, but then again, that info is restricted.

I agree 100%! I live very close to JFK (3 towns away-theres JFK-then some town in queens, valley stream and then lynbrook!) And all the weather hits me exact same time it hits JFK. Even out in Massapequa they still get same stuff and let me tell you, from a person who walked in all the weather everyday, it was not pretty. All the snow storms drove me crazy and then all the rain storms were really to much and then now the 90 Degree days that are very humid and then bad lightning storms, you see why on-time factor wasn't very good.
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And I see what you are saying jetBlue15, I have seen in there and it was a kind of nice day and it still seemed pretty crowded b/c one plane would go out and next thing you know another one is right there at the gate. It looks kind of stressful. I am sure some of the delays come from down there but not all.
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And for numbers for Song, i wish someone had access tot hem but no one here does, there restricted so we will have to guess, no real figures. Unless any of you work for Song then we will not know them. They don't release them and I wish they did so we can see there on-time performance.

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padcrasher
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:28 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 35):
And for numbers for Song, i wish someone had access tot hem but no one here does, there restricted so we will have to guess, no real figures. Unless any of you work for Song then we will not know them. They don't release them and I wish they did so we can see there on-time performance.

Song's on time this Month so far is 68% for arrivals within 15%. Song's on-time goes up and down with Jetblue. Not any better not any worse. It's the airport enviroment they operate in. Due in no small part to Jetblue over saturating routes rather than branching out.
 
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 36):
Due in no small part to Jetblue over saturating routes rather than branching out.

Yeah lets stop making money on the routes that work for B6 and start routes that may or may not work, sounds like a legacy move and not a smart one at that.
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fightingdingo
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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:37 am

Anyone know how the loads are for B6 out of PDX?

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:39 am

luv2fly

You accused me the a few weeks ago of being "silent and gone" when someone caught me saying something incorrect. I challenged you on it, asked you to give me an example.

You did not respond. Bizarrely it was you who ran away from a post which you accused me or running away....LOL.

Are you such a child that you are unwilling to back up what you say?

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RE: B6 Doing Badly In IAD & On Other Routes?

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:22 am

jkudall

You are correct about JB's load factor. I pulled a DOT report and in the 1Q 05 JB's load factor was 84% on the JFK-SLC route. But if we use the $138 average ticket price and considering the stage length, this route has a RASM around 5.8 cents. That's most likely breaking even. Delta's load factor was 89% with a $202 average price. (The price data is from the 3rd Q)

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