aa777flyer
Posts: 1017
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:45 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:30 am

I just heard from a friend and a very reliable source within AA management that AA will begin to fly ORDDEL on 12/02/05 with a 777-223. Cool News!
The TSA was created to make the post office look efficient!
 
BigGSFO
Posts: 2219
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:27 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:36 am

I would be surprised if this route launched before the planned ORD-PVG. Where is AA going to get the two (or would it be 3) 777's to serve this route?
 
CHI787ORD
Posts: 682
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:27 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:02 am

I doubt AA would fly this route. I thought UAL was considering flying ORD-DEL
 
commavia
Posts: 10117
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:30 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:41 am

I'll believe it when I see it. If, indeed, AA is going to fly ORD-DEL, I am very curious as to where they are going to get 2 777s from to run that rotation.
 
TrappedinMKG
Posts: 232
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:11 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:08 pm

Great Circle Mapper shows ORD-DEL as 7484 miles. Do AA's 772s have the legs for that?
 
ckfred
Posts: 4763
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:19 pm

I think AA is taking delivery of a few 777s either this year or next year. From what a friend of mine has told me, any aircraft delivery that has been deferred can easily be "un-deferred". So, if AA needs more 777s, it can easily get production slots.

My guess is that AA will need to make a refueling stop, possibly at LHR, to maximize connecting opportunities. DL used to fly FRA to BOM/DEL, so there was a need to change planes.
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:59 pm

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 4):
Great Circle Mapper shows ORD-DEL as 7484 miles. Do AA's 772s have the legs for that?

the -200ER's should be able to do that without too many problems (according to the Boeing website).....
"Up the Irons!"
 
commavia
Posts: 10117
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:30 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
I think AA is taking delivery of a few 777s either this year or next year.

Correct. Two 777s are being delivered in February and will be used almost immediately on ORD-PVG which launches 2 April 05.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
From what a friend of mine has told me, any aircraft delivery that has been deferred can easily be "un-deferred". So, if AA needs more 777s, it can easily get production slots.

This is true, but AA's CEO, Gerard Arpey, told me in the spring that AA is really focused right now on turning a profit and making the planes it already has profitable before they spend any money on new planes.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
My guess is that AA will need to make a refueling stop, possibly at LHR, to maximize connecting opportunities. DL used to fly FRA to BOM/DEL, so there was a need to change planes.

There's no point in flying ORD-DEL with a 777 if it's going to make a stop. If a stop will be included in the routing, then the flight would probably be a daily 767-300 ORD-BRU-DEL. In addition, AA does not have rights to carrying passengers LHR-DEL, and thus a LHR stop would almost certainly be out of the question.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
the -200ER's should be able to do that without too many problems (according to the Boeing website).....

I think AA's 777-200IGWs, with RR Trents, should be able to make ORD-DEL nonstop.
 
jdaniel001
Posts: 619
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:36 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 2):
I doubt AA would fly this route. I thought UAL was considering flying ORD-DEL

UAL was awarded the route authority back in 2001 and still has it. They are supposed to use the 747's. However, due to full prices, etc., they have posponed the start.
We Are UNITED!
 
aa777flyer
Posts: 1017
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:45 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:35 pm

I talked to my friend last night, and got some clarification. AA is finalizing cotracts in DEL right now, once all that is set, look for a formal announcement. Also it appears SJCNRT will be the casualty, and DFWFRA will downgrade to a 763, so there are your two airplanes.
The TSA was created to make the post office look efficient!
 
QQFLYER28
Posts: 58
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:09 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:50 pm

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 9):

Actually, wouldn't that be 4 777's? You need to 2 for SJC-NRT and 2 for DFW-FRA, so what are they going to do with the extra two?
 
commavia
Posts: 10117
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:30 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting QQFLYER28 (Reply 10):
Actually, wouldn't that be 4 777's? You need to 2 for SJC-NRT and 2 for DFW-FRA, so what are they going to do with the extra two?

Both DFW-FRA and NRT-SJC can be done with the equivelant of 1 777 each.

I must say, though, that I still won't believe this until I see it.
 
jdaniel001
Posts: 619
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:36 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:08 am

So is UA selling their authority or is this a new route authority being issued?
We Are UNITED!
 
BigGSFO
Posts: 2219
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:27 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
I must say, though, that I still won't believe this until I see it.

I agree with Commavia (as I usually do). This seems out of character for AA right now. Although SJCNRT isn't the best transpacific flight for them, I can't seem them pulling the plug and losing the NRT slot to open a route to India.

But then I have been wrong before. So we shall see. If this were to happen this December, wouldn't a press release be coming very soon?
 
gman3
Posts: 249
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:13 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:16 am

We at UAL were awarded that route in 2001. We were supposed to start service on October 31, 2001. Due to the events of 911, the route was suspended.
 
commavia
Posts: 10117
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:30 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:39 am

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 12):
So is UA selling their authority or is this a new route authority being issued?

http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/prsrl/2005/44623.htm
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 9):
Also it appears SJCNRT will be the casualty

I wouldn't be surprised if they ended this route...since the "dot.bomb" implosion, AA has downgraded their routes from SJC significantly....

I wish they would keep the route as the Bay Area has a massive Indian population, and with India having a large tech sector (hence ties to silicon valley), AA might have been able to serve serve SJC-DEL (but might be a bit of a stretch due to ETOPS and the Himalayans..)
"Up the Irons!"
 
cx750
Posts: 150
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:32 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
Actually, wouldn't that be 4 777's? You need to 2 for SJC-NRT and 2 for DFW-FRA, so what are they going to do with the extra two?

I think DFWFRA would only be 1 shell (plus maitenance) , and SJC-NRT would be 2 shells. Operating ORDDEL requires a little over 2 shells if you account for maintenance, they'll probably throw in another domestic run to fully utilize the three B777s.

btw, I have heard the same from an insider - AA is looking at ORDDEL for Dec.
 
aaway
Posts: 1243
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:07 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:09 am

Does seem unusual that AA would relinquish a NRT slot considering the effort AA has been exerting to obtain a (desirable) slot to start HNL-NRT-HNL. However, such a move - dropping SJC-NRT - would in likelihood pave the way for HNL-NRT. AA has until November to commence the route.



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
Where is AA going to get the two (or would it be 3) 777's

Which variant are the recently returned RG 777's? Which powerplants are they equipped with? Assuming this route info is factual, any opinions on whether AA might perhaps execute a lease for these planes if they're still available?

[Edited 2005-07-08 18:15:38]

[Edited 2005-07-08 18:21:26]
"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to continually be afraid you will make one." - Elbert Hubbard
 
commavia
Posts: 10117
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:30 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:14 am

CX750 -- please read my whole reply in Reply 11.  Smile

This would definitely give AA a huge advantage over DL on their U.S.-CDG-India routings, and on NW on their U.S.-AMS-India routings. If, indeed, this happens, AA and CO will probably pick up a huge amount of U.S.-India traffic overnight because of the speed and convenience of overflying European hubs. In addition, they can probably demand at least a slight fare premium because of the speed and convenience.
 
MAH4546
Posts: 24725
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:19 am

What people have been saying here is also what I've heard.

ORD-DEL would start sometime in late 2005/early 2006. As for where the plane comes from, I've gotten two scenarios: SJC-NRT gone, slot goes to HNL-NRT, and DFW-FRA becomes a 763, or the 2nd MIA-EZE becomes a 763 again, which frees two 777s.
a.
 
CHI787ORD
Posts: 682
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:27 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:26 am

What happened to the UAL & Air sahara codeshare for ORD-DEL?
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 2):
I thought UAL was considering flying ORD-DEL

The problem is that UA just doesn't have the right equipment for this route.

Their 777-200ERs would smash into the ground long before reaching DEL from ORD with any good payload, and I don't know that they're confident they could operate the 744 with a sufficient load, although it could certainly perform the route with a few small restrictions.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
This would definitely give AA a huge advantage over DL on their U.S.-CDG-India routings, and on NW on their U.S.-AMS-India routings.

Northwest could operate DEL nonstop from DTW or MSP with 744 equipment, again I think its a confidence problem with filling the airframe.

Delta is just screwed. They're in a bad position with their fleet, because their 777s could operate JFK-DEL no problem. Hell, one of their MD-11s should be able to operate the route fine, but they don't have them anymore (for no apparent reason). JFK-DEL isn't any further than LAX-HKG.

I don't really understand why its taken so long to get to this nonstop point between the USA and India. Most of the northern cities in the US have been reachable with the equipment we've had since the early 90s.

N
 
PRAirbus
Posts: 687
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:59 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:30 am

Seems a bit too quick to start such a longhaul operation...I've heard AA and APA (Allied Pilots (AA Union) were in talks regarding a start-up date and test flight(s)...nothing official has been released due to competitive reasons. Also, not sure how they would go around hiring a few speaker FAs for the route since AA does not have any Hindi qualified speaker FAs. They cannot hire off the street yet due to contractual re-call rights of furloughees. I heard from AA Management they are very interested on serving India but would not rush into it. I guess we'll have to stay tuned. I am sure they could realign some 777s if necessary and start the route. Not sure if it would be nonstop or via Europe.
 
ckfred
Posts: 4763
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:30 am

It seems to me that a ORD-DEL flight would do very well. There is a significant Indian population in the Chicago area, and a lot of employers in the area have either sent jobs or created jobs in India. So there is a potential for both leisure and business traffic.

My wife works with several Indians who go to visit relatives once or twice a year. Despite the downgrading of in-flight ammenities in domestic coach, U.S. carriers, both legacies and LCCs have far more reliable service than Air India. In other words, any U.S. carrier out of ORD could do very well out of ORD to India
 
boeingfever777
Posts: 1990
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:35 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:36 am

That's a long flight I must say! Over 6,500 NM. Although I know the 772ER can go well over 7,500 NM.



Also where is AA going to get the metal for this? Do they have some 772ER's coming from Boeing soon? I know they still have (9) unfilled slots for this a/c.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
SJC-NRT gone, slot goes to HNL-NRT, and DFW-FRA becomes a 763, or the 2nd MIA-EZE becomes a 763 again, which frees two 777s.

I thought SJC-NRT is profitable for AA? Why would they ditch this in order to launch a new route? Are they seeing bigger {$} on the ORD-DEL route?
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:42 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 25):
I thought SJC-NRT is profitable for AA? Why would they ditch this in order to launch a new route? Are they seeing bigger {$} on the ORD-DEL route?

I hope they don't ditch it, as the -200ER flies over my house occasionally... biggrin ..what a BEAUTIFUL sight to see!!  yes 
"Up the Irons!"
 
ckfred
Posts: 4763
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:46 am

I was of the opinion that AA was still looking at starting ORD-HKG. Is that routes still being considered, is does ORD-DEL make that route a non-starter?
 
commavia
Posts: 10117
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:30 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
I was of the opinion that AA was still looking at starting ORD-HKG. Is that routes still being considered, is does ORD-DEL make that route a non-starter?

I personally think that we will see an ORD-HKG route by AA once new 777s start arriving (in 2013!). The route just makes so much sense for so many reasons, and I think it would work perfectly if they continued it on to SIN. The only problem with ORD-HKG, however, is that, unlike any of AA's Japan routes, it would require 3 full 777s to run a daily operation. That's a huge commitment of aircraft that AA simply doesn't have right now as it is so desperately short of 767 and 777 capacity. Long-term, though, I definitely think ORD-HKG will become a reality.
 
FLY777UAL
Posts: 4830
Joined: Tue May 18, 1999 3:49 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:02 am

AA won't have the ability to fly a direct over-the-pole GC route because of the restrictions over the Himalayas, correct? So in this case, will they have to swoop over Norway at about Bodo and then...maybe Kabul and Lahore on their way to Deli? Almost following CO's EWR-DEL GC route?



Can anyone confirm?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

[Edited 2005-07-08 21:03:39]

[Edited 2005-07-08 21:06:15]
 
cx750
Posts: 150
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:32 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
CX750 -- please read my whole reply in Reply 11.

Sorry, missed the last line. You are correct, 1 shell each.

To the topic overall, AA's B777s are premium heavy, and although ORD-DEL should attract some premium traffic, the route's profitability will be dependent on the Y-cabin.

I still figure B744 is the best aircraft for this route, but who knows. I would imagine AA and CO would have to take a weight hit for ORD/EWR-DEL.
 
aa777223er
Posts: 217
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:32 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:55 am

Interesting news. The rumors on the line a couple months back was that we would be serving Indian via connections in BRU, as we had secured rights to fly to any city in India from BRU. It was covered a bit in the following thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2028672

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what gets announced soon.

Regards,

AA777223ER
time flies, seize the day
 
aa777jr
Posts: 2269
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:03 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:12 am

I like the idea of AA using their NRT slot for a HNL-NRT run, but isn't the SJC-NRT route doing well still? Would AA use 763 on HNL-NRT?

I have also heard the same regarding the ORD-DEL flight. AA is in negotiations with India and also the pilots. The length of the flight is a problem ($) and they are ironing it out.

As stated, the still rumor is a good one, with passengers being able to skip over busy European hubs. AA should do very well on this.

Regards.

I talked with my buddy that is with AA. He said the pilots and their union (APA) have already reached an agreement to pay them for ORD-DEL set to kick off Dec 2nd, 2005.

[Edited 2005-07-09 19:15:56]
A liberal is a man who is right most of the time, but he's right too soon.
 
eyeonthesky17
Posts: 54
Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:42 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:44 am

I'd be surprised to see AA start ORDDEL so soon. While F and C would sell out instantaneously, filling a 772 in Y class without European originating/ destined traffic can be very tricky. CO may face this problem when starting EWRDEL in November. More than likely, a good deal of economy will be sold at junk prices.

LH's success and continuing growth into India has definitely been because of US and European originating passengers. Also, UA feeds these routes through FRA and MUC. DL should be able to support JFKMAA because of other AF & DL feeder into CDG. NW and AF/KL are also increasing India (BLR) service this fall and will use AMS and CDG as connecting points for US based passengers. Jet Airways also recognizes the value and necessity of a European connection with the proposed EWR-BRU-BOM route.

AA and UA should sit by and watch how CO handles EWRDEL before starting any nonstop service to India.
 
BigGSFO
Posts: 2219
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:27 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:38 am

It still doesn't make sense to me why a slot would be moved from SJCNRT to HNLNRT, a route already served by 3 airlines (NW, UA, JL) with multiple flights a day. I understand the whole yield argument, but is a leisure market like HNL more likely to generate higher yields than SJC even if it is not performing as strongly as other NRT flights? And yes AA has been withdrawing out of more and more SJC markets almost monthly, but they still have feed from LAS, LAX, SNA, AUS, DFW, ORD and SAN which has to add bodies to each flight albeit not a lot.

As much as I would like to see ORDDEL I would hate for it to be at the expense of SJCNRT. I would like to think AA would find a way to increase their 777 fleet to keep up with their international expansion as opposed to reallocating exsisting flights. I know they don't have the money per se to acquire more 777's this year....just wishful thinking.
 
UnitedFirst
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2001 12:16 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:50 am

Interesting news. The rumors on the line a couple months back was that we would be serving Indian via connections in BRU, as we had secured rights to fly to any city in India from BRU. It was covered a bit in the following thread:

This sounds the most feasible to me. Everyone's saying that AA will pull the plug on SJC-NRT for HNL-NRT – but I can't imagine that they would place 767-300s on HNL-NRT, and place the 777s with ORD-DEL. Introducing a new aircraft to Narita, as well as not providing 3-class service, especially when all of its competitors on the route are, does not seem like a legitimate plan.

In regards to operating India via BRU, AA can easily use a 767-300, and market the flight in cooperation with SN Brussels. This seems like the safest & most feasible way for them to jump into India without excessive risk.

Derek
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:16 am

Is the US-India market going to get a bit crowded? The new CO and possibly AA nonstop 777s, Jet Airways getting ready to launch service hopefully by the end of the summer, Air India expanding after so many years, etc., etc., not to mention the existing NW/KL flights and the DL flights. I realize that US-India is a large market, and has probably been underserved for years, but is it wise for all of these airlines to jump in at the same time?
 
shawnnyc
Posts: 234
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:48 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 24):
Despite the downgrading of in-flight ammenities in domestic coach, U.S. carriers, both legacies and LCCs have far more reliable service than Air India. In other words, any U.S. carrier out of ORD could do very well out of ORD to India

Not true. US carriers are not know in India for good food or in flight entertainment. AA will be stealing pax more so from LH and BA then from AI (AI's Biz class is like half the $ of LH, DL, etc and attracts a differnt customer). AA's advantage will be its ff program that Indian-Americans will really value (and they are the higher yielding of the tourist pax) and the nonstop flight. For AA to be competitive look for a large component of Indian crew and Indian food and IFE on the flight. AA will have huge connecting traffic potential. Indians live all over america, and AA has great US and Canada reach out of ORD. AA should also try and have the flight land and take off at a reasonable time in DEL. There are many people who would like to arrive India at time other than 12am and leave at 3am.

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 12):
So is UA selling their authority or is this a new route authority being issued?

India and US have open skies. Anyone can fly the route. Also AA can stop in LHR, BRU or where ever in europe if they want.

Quoting CX750 (Reply 30):
To the topic overall, AA's B777s are premium heavy, and although ORD-DEL should attract some premium traffic, the route's profitability will be dependent on the Y-cabin.

Well filling Y should not be a problem if it is priced right. India-US traffic is almost year round peak season (may be a total of three months in the year are slow). If first and business are full at the prices AA charges, won't the flight do well? I have been on many flights NYC-EZE and coach was empty but the front was full. AA just needs to market the flight to Indian-Americans on the local Indian-American tv shows. Delta and NW do like zero marketing to the group that should be their loyal customers. I have never understood that.
 
CHI787ORD
Posts: 682
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:27 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 37):
AA should also try and have the flight land and take off at a reasonable time in DEL. There are many people who would like to arrive India at time other than 12am and leave at 3am.

AA should try to make landfall around 3AM-5AM Indian Time, this way, they can make reasonable connections with exisiting Air India & Indian Airlines flights to local markets such as Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Agra, Lucknow, etc...
 
sw733
Posts: 5310
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:19 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 29):
AA won't have the ability to fly a direct over-the-pole GC route because of the restrictions over the Himalayas, correct?

This is exactly what I was thinking...isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas? I thought I remembered reading that in a thread a long time back, but I could be wrong. But if I am right, wouldn't that completely rule out any chance of an ORD - DEL nonstop by AA as they have no jets that fit that rule (while UA, of course, does)?
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
This is exactly what I was thinking...isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas? I thought I remembered reading that in a thread a long time back, but I could be wrong. But if I am right, wouldn't that completely rule out any chance of an ORD - DEL nonstop by AA as they have no jets that fit that rule (while UA, of course, does)?

it shouldn't be a problem for AA if they fly that route, as they will basically avoid the Himalayan range, in fact, they would fly most probably over parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, etc..and no, I do not foresee a "terrorist" problem with AA flying over those countries..

if they try it the other way around (the way you mentioned), I think they would have ETOPS problems
"Up the Irons!"
 
jasepl
Posts: 3499
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:15 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:28 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 40):
they would fly most probably over parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, etc..and no, I do not foresee a "terrorist" problem with AA flying over those countries..

There probably isn't a 'terrorist' problem, certainly. But American carriers were forbidden from overflying most, if not all, of the 'Stans. I think this prohibition is still in force.
 
Nimish
Posts: 2911
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:46 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:25 pm

Is it possible to get miles on low economy fares with AAdvantage? If yes, that would definitely help get the existing AAdvantage members onto these flights. DEL seems like it's getting both the US non-stops, which is very good for the large amounts of VFR traffic between the US and India.

Are there any indications of the schedule as yet?
Incredible India!
 
ckfred
Posts: 4763
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:42 am

I know some AA employees who think Arpey is trying to fool AA's competitors, by saying it won't buy more planes of any kind, until AA makes money.

They fully agree that until AA is profitable, it shouldn't buy any more 737s, even though the MD-80s are getting older, and AA could sorely use a 100-seat plane to fill in the gap between the CRJ and the MD-80.

But, the 767s and 777s are making money flying to Europe, Asia, and South America. They think that any time AA sees a good opportunity for an international route, particularly a longer route, such as ORD-DEL or ORD-HKG, management will take delivery of more 777s.
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 41):
There probably isn't a 'terrorist' problem, certainly. But American carriers were forbidden from overflying most, if not all, of the 'Stans. I think this prohibition is still in force

very interesting, i'm curious to see how they pull this route if it goes nonstop..regardless..i would take it...
"Up the Irons!"
 
aa777flyer
Posts: 1017
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:45 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 43):
I know some AA employees who think Arpey is trying to fool AA's competitors, by saying it won't buy more planes of any kind, until AA makes money.

They fully agree that until AA is profitable, it shouldn't buy any more 737s, even though the MD-80s are getting older, and AA could sorely use a 100-seat plane to fill in the gap between the CRJ and the MD-80.

But, the 767s and 777s are making money flying to Europe, Asia, and South America. They think that any time AA sees a good opportunity for an international route, particularly a longer route, such as ORD-DEL or ORD-HKG, management will take delivery of more 777s.

I could not agree more. I also think that if Mr. Boeing came to AA with a kick ass deal on the 787 (lease) he would take it.

AA does have a aging problem comming up. Its MD80's are not getting any younger nor are the 762's. The A300's dont really fit in, so where does that leave them. Sooner or later AA will have to do something to mondernize their fleet. The MD80's are much less efficient than the 737NG and the A320's, so this puts AA at a competitive disadvantage.
The TSA was created to make the post office look efficient!
 
MAH4546
Posts: 24725
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 45):
AA does have a aging problem comming up. Its MD80's are not getting any younger nor are the 762's. The A300's dont really fit in, so where does that leave them. Sooner or later AA will have to do something to mondernize their fleet. The MD80's are much less efficient than the 737NG and the A320's, so this puts AA at a competitive disadvantage.

Many of the MD80s and A300s are not that old. The youngest A300 is 12 and the youngest MD80 is seven.
a.
 
slider
Posts: 6820
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:42 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:04 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 22):
I don't really understand why its taken so long to get to this nonstop point between the USA and India.

Aeropolitics and the lack of a bilateral. India is finally getting off dead center with their aviation policies, which have been prohibitive to say the least, especially the extreme taxation, which has heretofore stymied growth.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas?

I don't know...but it didn't stop the ferries going over the Hump back in the day!  Smile
 
NYCAAer
Posts: 601
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:22 pm

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:06 am

I'm surprised to read AA is interested in DEL. We have been hearing in the company rumor mill that AA is far more interested in serving BOM, because it is the financial capital of India. That was AA's logic for starting its new China service next year to PVG, as opposed to PEK.

One thing I do know is AA still goes after the business traveler on its long haul international routes far more than it seeks out leisure traffic. This would be a change in strategy for American.
 
shawnnyc
Posts: 234
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:48 am

AA To Fly ORD-DEL

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 48):
I'm surprised to read AA is interested in DEL. We have been hearing in the company rumor mill that AA is far more interested in serving BOM, because it is the financial capital of India. That was AA's logic for starting its new China service next year to PVG, as opposed to PEK.

I think it is because of aircraft range. They would need a 777LR to make it ORD-BOM. But you are right, premium traffic is much stronger to BOM. I think AA just wants to get into the game before others launch. For instance, if Jet or Sahara launches nonstops DEL-ORD, my guess is that AA would have much less incentive to start the route especially if one of those airlines joins Oneworld.

The one good thing AA has going for it with the leisure traffic is its FF program. Right now you can't really buy a discounted ticket on BA to India as you won't earn AA miles on the US-LHR portion. You have to buy the usually more expensive AA + BA ticket. Plus with Swiss leaving Oneworld, their really is no option ff wise to India. So if you are an AA ff flyer the ORD-DEL flight is great for you.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos