nomorerjs
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AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:57 am

DFW - MLI appears to be a smash, but how are other new routes doing? ORD-PNS, ORD-JAX, ORD-NAS, DFW-all routes? Just curious.
 
commavia
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:42 am

All of DFW's routes are performing quite well. SAV and VPS are going out packed all the time, and LEX -- from both ORD and DFW -- is doing awesome. In addition, ORD's SAV and JAX flights are doing pretty well.

From what I've heard, all of Eagle's growth appears to have been warranted based on the loads these flights have been carrying. However, as always, loads don't always equal profits.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:47 am

Loads here in SAV are great for AE. The problem is cleaning the darn RON's! Jet Stream (The company contracted out to do the ground handeling) did not receve a contract to clean them. From what my friends are saying here, they go out as clean as the FA got it the night before! That does not seem to lower the loads though!
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:50 am

Don't forget STL-VPS as well. Loads are half full, which seems promising for the first few days since the route opened July 1.

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nomorerjs
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:16 pm

That's great! Hope to see some Mad Dogs on these routes in the future!
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:19 pm

I also wonder how JFK-YYZ is doing ... anyone know?
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commavia
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting NoMoreRjs (Reply 4):
That's great! Hope to see some Mad Dogs on these routes in the future!

While it is still probably 1-2 years away, I definitely think that DFW-PNS could see an MD80 or two at some point in the future. AA has had immense success in PNS since it launched flights last year.

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 5):
I also wonder how JFK-YYZ is doing ... anyone know?

Both of Eagle's new JFK routes, YYZ and CLE, have performed quite well -- they are well timed to feed JFK's flights to BRU, CDG, FCO and LHR plus all the codeshares on BA, IB, LX, etc.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:27 pm

What about the AA CLT flights to LGA?
 
commavia
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:41 pm

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 7):
What about the AA CLT flights to LGA?

I've heard that the CLT-LGA and LGA-CLT Eagle flights have been going out with about 70% loads on average. Not bad for a new route, especially considering the huge US presence at both ends of the route and the fact that Eagle's RJs are up against US 737s, A319s, A320s and 757s.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:08 pm

If AE operates anything like UAX, then the planes are always full thanks to authorization levels of 30% over capacity. Thanks revenue management!
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:23 pm

From what I heard....TOL-DFW in its first month was flying a bit over 70% full...ORD was doing over 80%. I'll see if I can get exact numbers. TOL Port was in Dallas a week or so ago lobbying for another flight or at least more capacity.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:33 pm

Can anyone get loads for the SYR to DFW service that starts in August? ROC, too, if it isn't too much trouble. I'm interested to see the loads before the flight even starts. I can't wait for it; too bad the timings on the SYR flights suck ass... just hope that doesn't equate to it's eventual cut.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:50 pm

The majority of the new routes are doing very well.

From O'Hare, Jacksonville has done the best. It is already getting a third daily.

In terms of loads, the new MIA routes are doing the best. All of them except Memphis average loads in the mid-90s! And Memphis' loads aren't bad, usually going out 85% full.
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:13 pm

Does anyone know about LGA-ATL? There is also mainline flights on that route as well.

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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:03 am

How are the advance bookings for BOS-YHZ. Obviously, the flight is only a week old so it's too early too tell. Although the tourism links between Eastern Canada and New England are very strong in the Summer and the temporary loss of the Scotia Prince ferry service between Portland, ME and Yarmouth, NS (the service is to shortly begin from Boston once certain issues are finalized with the Coast Guard) I wonder if there's enough of a market for AC (QK), DL (OH), and AA (MQ).

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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:02 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
Can anyone get loads for the SYR to DFW service that starts in August? ROC, too, if it isn't too much trouble.

Well, a very primitive way is to use AA's website. Just enter a flight as if you were going to book it, and then click on "seat map." When I checked a couple days ago, most SYR-DFW flights the first week were nearly full.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:04 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 14):
How are the advance bookings for BOS-YHZ.

I heard YHZ-JFK has been averaging in the 80-90% LF range.

[Edited 2005-07-08 19:12:32]
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 14):
How are the advance bookings for BOS-YHZ. Obviously, the flight is only a week old so it's too early too tell.

BOS-YHZ is not operating this summer. They flew it last summer, did not do that well. I don't know why AA's website still lists it.
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:35 am

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 13):
Does anyone know about LGA-ATL? There is also mainline flights on that route as well.

From my perspective below the wing, it's performing well.I have no idea about yields, but I can say it's averaging 80+ bags on the inbound segment and about the same on the outbound.
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LH423
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:44 am

I'm fairly certain they announced it a while back. I found it odd to offer seasonal service from July, when half the season is over.

Maybe they figured the same thing I mentioned. Too much capacity, especially when one considers the road and ferry links. Although, a lot of the YHZ traffic connects with European flights, since BOS is the closest international airport (other than ACs LHR flight via YYT). Maybe AA wanted to tap into that market with their European flights.

Oh well, maybe next year. In that case, how are the YUL flights doing? Less competition since DL left the route and just AC fly it.

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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:39 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
I can't wait for it; too bad the timings on the SYR flights suck ass... just hope that doesn't equate to it's eventual cut.

Yeah, it's strange that they timed the ROC and SYR flights so differently. I think the flight will do fine though. If DL can fly 4 MD-80s (looks like one's going back to CR7 soon, so 3) to ATL a day, their largest hub, I would think AA could fly at least that flight to DFW, their largest hub, anytime of day.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:25 pm

Well as for the ROC SYR-DFW flights ROC on AUG 1st is booked to 54 out of 70 and SYR is booked to 51 out of 70. BUF is about the same for both of their fights for that day. Alot of people dont think so, but I think DFW is here to stay for all three of these cities. Also The 5PM departure for ROC was upgraded to A CR7 around AUG 23rd to ORD. I think that SYR got one too but I dont know which one. Soon to be Mad dogs???????
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:02 pm

I know its still premature, but any indication on how Eagle's GPT-DFW flts will be doing? Route launches 10/30/05.

BTW its intresting to see VPS pick up STL N/S. STL is not a very large AA hub, so what is the big taker for this flight happening?
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:51 pm

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
bad the timings on the SYR flights suck ass

Come to think of it, thanks in part to time zone changes, the SYR flight isn't even that bad. Sure, it sucks for business travelers, but they'd rather take a flight with business class anyway. For lazy people like me, this flight is great. Even for the west coast, this flight doesn't take longer than using ORD to transfer. In fact, to LAX, only two options via Chicago are faster. One by two minutes, and one a bit more, but that has a tough 30 minute transfer time at ORD.

For example, from SYR-DFW-LAX
AA3864 -> AA1203
Depart 3:40, Arrive in LAX at 7:53 (7h 13m)

Although, I guess the real reason this flight was added was to open up Texas and it's 20-something airports served from DFW, and AA's Central and South America routes. The SYR flight is great for connecting to overnight flights to GRU, EZE, SCL. (All about 15-16 hours)

A lot of these cut a good two hours or more off the travel time, as the ORD connections require another connection in either DFW or Miami. Doesn't ORD have any AA flights to South America!?
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
All of DFW's routes are performing quite well

Commavia/Mark,

Do you have information on how DFW-GRU is performing after the increase from 7 to 12 weekly flights ? On a previous thread all agree that the loads may be corrupted, but with all MIA-GRU/GIG almost fully during june/july, probably it get better loads.


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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting Newkai (Reply 23):
Doesn't ORD have any AA flights to South America!?

No. In fact all South American AA operations are from MIA, DFW and JFK.

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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:22 am

I fly to San Jose, Costa Rica a lot and use to fly AA SYR-ORD-MIA-SJO. USAirways started flights to SJO from CLT so now its a simple SYR-CLT-SJO.

But I can't waste a day waiting for an afternoon flight on AA to DFW, and even if I did I think its too late to make the SJO flight out of DFW.
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:30 am

IflyI, things seem to be bustling down in Savannah huh?? With NW/NW Airlink taking position at Gate 4 and AAEagle at Gate 7(I assume) and Delta getting good use out of thier 3 gates, all 10 gates there are spoken for i think, no? They must be closing in on, or surpassing 50 daily flights at this point. Are there plans to expand SAV?? I know I read that terminal was designed to be expanded when the demand increased. If B6 wanted to use SAV as a E190 city, there wouldn't even be a gate for them right now...

I take interest as I lived there for about a year while working for your baseball team down there, the Sand Gnats....I've since moved on to Double-AA ball- dont forsee ever being back to SAV but i'm still curious since I flew many trips in/out of there.
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting AEroc (Reply 21):
Soon to be Mad dogs???????

Not till next year at least. Apparently AA has some sort of agreement with their FAs about not returning mainline to Upstate NY until 2006. It was mentioned long long ago here on A.net, so I'm open to correction, of course. I also remember reading on the boards that AA wanted DFW-BUF to be mainline, but couldn't do it because of the aforementioned agreement. If anybody could tell me the exact terms of it, I would appreciate it. Thanks  Smile!
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:01 am

With the success of the MIA flights, is AA looking at increasing flights to existing cities now or are they still looking at adding a few more cities out of there? If they are going to add more out of there could we be seeing a few announcements in Sept./Oct? I think it's great what AA is doing adding service from most of their outstations to as many hubs as possible. It gives travelers more options for the airline and IMO retains passenger loyalty. It kind of stinks that AE doesn't have more jets on order or AA doesn't have anything in the 100 seat range because a lot of these smaller markets could definitely support a multiple flights to the hubs (ex: TOL - DFW). I would like to see 3 flights to DFW and 1 to MIA...but that realistically isn't possible, it's only one or the other I think. It's good to see AA's decision is possibly paying off.
 
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RE: AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 24):
Do you have information on how DFW-GRU is performing after the increase from 7 to 12 weekly flights ? On a previous thread all agree that the loads may be corrupted, but with all MIA-GRU/GIG almost fully during june/july, probably it get better loads.

It is not doing that well profit-wise, loads aren't terrible, but, then again, flights to Brazil don't go out empty this time of year. It will be replaced by MIA-GIG again in December.

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 29):
With the success of the MIA flights, is AA looking at increasing flights to existing cities now or are they still looking at adding a few more cities out of there? If they are going to add more out of there could we be seeing a few announcements in Sept./Oct?

Yes, more MIA routes will be announced this fall. Birmingham, Alabama is likely the next one.
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