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Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:56 pm

Only a rumor. I'm at a course in Palmerston North and one of the students on the course is training to be an aircraft mechanic in NSN. He is in his final few months of the course. He said that QO can't afford to pay their own engineers, and their fleet will be reduced even more then first planned last year. Unless QO can save more money then QO might be gone soon

Anyone else from new zealand heard about this?
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:40 pm

Well from the amount of routes they drop wouldnt be suprised like when they dropped the dunedin routes, the a/c were most times full.
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:46 pm

Wow. I havent heard the roumer but I knew from threads earlier on that they were in a bit of strife.
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:55 pm

Origin Pacific have been screwed for a while now. I think Mr Mike Pero made a big mistake pumping cash in a company that owed hundreds of thousands, if not millions to creditors and others. Although, I must say, they have managed to stay in the game much longer than I anticipated. They used to rely greatly on Qantas ff's and connection travelers. I give them 2 years, if that.
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 3):
I think Mr Mike Pero made a big mistake pumping cash in a company that owed hundreds of thousands, if not millions to creditors and others.

I had heard Mr Pero walked away from it a few months ago - is that true, or another unsubstantiated rumour, of which there seem to have been plenty floating over this airline.

I do hope they can pull through. Although I am an unashamed Air NZ fan, and I don't believe they are up to the same standard as the Air NZ Link operations, it would be quite a shame to lose competition on regional routes in NZ. Then again, without the feed from Qantas, life was always going to be very tough for them...

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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:16 am

There was a press report just a week or two ago that Mr Pero was moving on.
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:37 pm

Mike Pero is nolonger on the QO board of directors but does maintain his 25% share in the company. As I understand it they are 'living' from hand to mouth at the moment.

Should the go belly up I believe it would be only a matter of time until someone else started another regional airline. It may be cut throat but there always seem business people out there keen to give the airline buisness a shot (old joke: how do you make a $1 million in the airline industry? Start with $5 million).
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:13 pm

The unfortunate thing is that they couldn't really offer the traveller anything in the way of extra value.

What I mean is, if flying in an a/c that a person over 5 foot 6 inches can't stand upright in, the pay off would be dirt cheap fares, or more frequent services.

When you are 6 foot 2 inches and carry a laptop as hand luggage a trip on a Jetstream is an uncomfortable experience.

I did think that the flexi fare was awesome, whereby you could change flights with no penalty.

I'll miss them though, especially the FA's, they were a random bunch and did make life interesting!!
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:28 pm

Qantas dropped them as a codeshare partner a few months ago - any reason?
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:35 pm

To make way for the proposed Air NZ alliance.
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:30 pm

I'm back from the course in Palmerston North and the holiday in the Hawkes Bay.

QF dropped QO last year to help make way for the NZ alliance. QO should just focus on their prime routes (if any), the tourist routes (ROT, ZQN etc), focus heaps on freight only flights and do more charter flights
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
QF dropped QO last year to help make way for the NZ alliance. QO should just focus on their prime routes (if any), the tourist routes (ROT, ZQN etc), focus heaps on freight only flights and do more charter flights

ROT and ZQN market saturated with NZ and QF. Freight contracts are being dished out elsewhere. There is only a very small charter market in New Zealand. Not to many rays of sunshine out there.
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:08 pm

Hold on people - this is coming from some trainee engineer in Palmerston North. Hardly the most fantastic of sources. Traditionally, the general media pick up on these rumours pretty quickly and publicise them but I've seen nothing of the sort with regards to Origin.

I suspect this is pure speculation because of Mike Pero's recent (or impending) departure from the Board. This was a scheduled occurrence, as he only ever intended to be on the Board for a year. The rumours were bound to start as a consequence. now if he'd sold his shareholding, or was trying to, then I would be genuinely worried.

I'm not saying it's all roses for Origin, but this is a total rumour, let's face it. The airline is seeing tough times, sure, but who's to really know how good/bad things are there?

What are the chances of a restart of the QF codeshare? Surely QF still needs regional feed.
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:09 pm

There is only a very small charter market in New Zealand. QO did very well and seem to still do well with charters. Every week has QO has good re-positioning deals
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:15 pm

Aerokiwi

The training mechanic is based in NSN and does some training work on QO aircraft (under strict supervision). He was in Palmerston North for a course (not related to aviation).
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:31 pm

Still pretty flimsy. I remember ground personnel working for Air NZ back in 1999 telling me the 737-800 was a shoe-in order for the airline.

Quite.
 
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:44 pm

I remember ground personnel working for Air NZ back in 1999 telling me the 737-800 was a shoe-in order for the airline. B738s would be in NZs fleet if Airbus hadn't given a last minute deal that NZ couldn't refuse, even boeing was certain they had the order
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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:48 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
B738s would be in NZs fleet if Airbus hadn't given a last minute deal that NZ couldn't refuse, even boeing was certain they had the ord

Thats not true either. NZ were committed to the A320 due to arrangements made when we still owned AN.

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RE: Origin Pacific (new Zealand) Going Under - Rumor

Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:49 pm

Yes but my point being that they were wrong.

Until I see some substance, the Origin rumour is just a piece of gossip. Though it may well be true, it helps to have a reliable, solid source. Anyone?

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