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False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:35 am

I just been browsing the Ryanair website (yes im very bored) and noticed the offer flights to Bratislava advertising it as Bratislava (Vienna), now for a minute I thought Vienna was in another country to Bratislava  confused 

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:48 am

Vienna to Bratislava (VIE to BTS) is only 30 miles.

By comparison, SFO-OAK = 11 miles, OAK-SJC = 29 miles, SFO-SJC = 30 miles, LAX-BUR = 18 miles, LAX-LGB = 17 miles, LAX-SNA = 36 miles, and LAX-ONT = 47 miles.

I don't know about "false" advertising, but the two metro areas are close enough that one could be considered an alternate airport for the other. I would also imagine BTS is a much less crowded airport, for which RyanAir is famous for flying to.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:50 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Vienna to Bratislava (VIE to BTS) is only 30 miles.

They may only be 30 miles apart but they advertising an airport which is in another country why cant they just advertise it as Bratislava, instead of being the dumb ass retards that they are and advertise it as somewhere different??

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:56 am

SkyEurope do exactly the same and market Bratislava as Vienna.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:04 am

An airport 30 miles from the actual destination city is actually rather good for Ryanair....there are many stations where the actual airport is much further away from the city center.

The question is, how do you get from BTS to the center of Vienna - is there frequent public transport or will the cab ride cost more the airline ticket on Ryanair.

Many passengers have been very unpleasantly surprised by the airports used by Ryanair.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
An airport 30 miles from the actual destination city is actually rather good for Ryanair....there are many stations where the actual airport is much further away from the city center.

Murcia(Alicante) Murcia is over 130km from Alicante, how can they get away with advertising airports like this?

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
The question is, how do you get from BTS to the center of Vienna

There are several public buses every day between the Bratislava and Vienna. There's also the Austrian Airlines bus, that takes you from VIE downtown Bratislava and back.

There are also many daily trains connecting the two cities.

Best of all though is the boat up and down the (not even remotely blue) Danube. Of course, if you have luggage, it can be a pain.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 2):
the dumb ass retards that they are and advertise it as somewhere different??

Those same "dumb ass retards" run a very profitable airline.

And if passengers don't know that Bratislava is not actually Vienna, but close to it, then WTF are they doing flying there?

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:28 am

Munchen airport is in the middle of no where, maybe they should rename it "Half way to Nurenburg International"  Smile

same thing with CDG, ARN and DEN
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 5):
Murcia(Alicante) Murcia is over 130km from Alicante

I did a precise calculation of the distances between both cities, and yes, the distance between San Javier Airport (Murcia) and Alicante is about 130 km if you do the Alicante-Murcia-San Javier route. If you go directly from Alicante to San Javier (without passing by Murcia) the distance is 94 km...still a bit long though.

Same goes for Girona being advertised as Barcelona (101 km between both cities) and Santander, advertised as Bilbao (92 km).

At one point, the idea of flying with Ryanair to London went through my mind, but when I saw that from Madrid I had to go to Valladolid (VLL...over 200 km away) I completely forgot about it.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:22 am

If Ryanair were a US carrier, we'd probably see these:

Chattanooga (Atlanta)
Laughlin/Bullhead City (Las Vegas)
MidAmerica (St. Louis)
Rockford (Chicago)
Victorville (Los Angeles)
Stockton (Bay Area/Sacramento)
Newburgh (New York City)
Trenton (Philadelphia/Newark)
Worchester (Boston)
Richmond (Washington D.C.)
Gainesville (Jacksonville)
Brunswick (Savannah)
Myrtle Beach (Charleston)
Daytona Beach (Orlando)
Sarasota (Tampa)
Colorado Springs (Denver)

Now some US carriers do label cities in a similar way. Hooters Air lists RFD as Rockford/Chicago and GYY as Gary/Chicago.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:31 am

I wish more carriers had more frequent direct flights to Sarasota (Tampa) at a lower fare. I have to usually fly to Tampa (Tampa) and have someone pick me up and drive an hour to get to Sarasota.

But quick: How close is NRT to downtown Tokyo? How close is SFO to downtown San Francisco? How close is KIX to downtown Osaka? DFW to Downtown Dallas? IAH to Downtown Houston? CVG to downtown Cincinnati?

30 miles seems reasonable in the grand scheme of things.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:18 am

Still, they should say Brataslava, Slovinena (and note: "Only 50 KM from Viennia). WN (Southwest) uses Islip, Long Island airport, about 30 miles east of and for the NYC, but advertises it as Islip.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:01 pm

When you think about it, many airports are not even in the city that they serve.

CVG is actually in another state. EWR often advertised as New York/Newark, is in NJ not NY. BDL serving Hartford is in Windsor Locks.

Bergamo Italy which is another airport for Milan and one which Ryanair flies into, I have heard is a lot closer to the city than Malpensa.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:06 pm

EWR is closer to parts of NYC than LGA and especially JFK  Smile
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:53 pm

LTBEWR

Bratislava is the capital of Slovakia and is not in Slovenia!! So I guess that makes your comment as accurate as Ryanair and Bratislava (Vienna)!!!!!

As Ryanair is now 20 years old I would imagine that everyone understands how it operates, how it sells itself and I suppose we all know what is on offer. in the end it's individual choice - for the most part! Unhappy with Ryanair? then don't use them!

For the record Bratislava is more than happy to be associated with Vienna - otherwise people might not know where it was!!!!!!!!!  Smile)))

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:59 pm

Quoting EZYAirbus (Thread starter):
offer flights to Bratislava advertising it as Bratislava (Vienna)

Sorry, as much as I dislike Ryanair, I just cannot see the false advertising in that...

If they had listed the airport as "Vienna (Bratislava)" - then it would be false advertising; this way, they're saying "We fly to Bratislava, but the airport is well situated for travelling to Vienna".

One thing that is false advertising is "Frankfurt (Hahn)" - because that makes it sound as if they were flying to Frankfurt with the airport also being usable for travelling to Hahn... while it's actually the other way around - the airport is Hahn, and with it's location about halfway between here and Cologne, they could just as well market it as "Hahn (Frankfurt/Cologne)"...

And, yes, I am aware that the official name of HHN is "Frankfurt Hahn", and added to the fact that the same company that manages the real airport here in town, FRAport, manages HHN as well, I guess it's not even fair to call Ryanair's use of "Frankfurt (Hahn)" false advertising...

Just to put the distances here into perspective to the Bratislava/Vienna thing... the distance from my house to HHN would be 120km if I used a car, by public transport (train to Frankfurt's main train station, bus to HHN) would take me about 2 hours...

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:27 pm

How about MMX? Malmö is a Swedish city but is just over the water from Copenhagen in Denmark and is linked by the famous Oresund bridge. Unusually Ryanair doesn't market this as Copenhagen (Malmö) but just as Malmö. Wizz Air however promotes this as Copenhagen showing the bus connection on their route map. So Bratislava Vienna is not a unique situation. I don't think there's really anything wrong with doing this as long as the airports are not hundreds of miles away from the destination city and there is adequate transport available.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:40 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
The question is, how do you get from BTS to the center of Vienna

http://www.eurolines.sk/cpz_uk/cpzdata_uk.asp?linka=102806&smer=2

http://www.blaguss.sk/ba_wien.php

letisko=airport

Also SkyEurope (with much better service than FR, but that's not that hard I guess) operates its SkyShuttle between BTS and downtown Vienna.

http://www.skyeurope.com (click on "Travel Info")
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
If Ryanair were a US carrier, we'd probably see these:

Chattanooga (Atlanta)
Laughlin/Bullhead City (Las Vegas)
MidAmerica (St. Louis)
Rockford (Chicago)
Victorville (Los Angeles)
Stockton (Bay Area/Sacramento)
Newburgh (New York City)
Trenton (Philadelphia/Newark)
Worchester (Boston)
Richmond (Washington D.C.)
Gainesville (Jacksonville)

Brunswick (Savannah)
Myrtle Beach (Charleston)
Daytona Beach (Orlando)
Sarasota (Tampa)
Colorado Springs (Denver)

And they would probably serve Tijuana and call it San Diego!  covereyes 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Chattanooga (Atlanta)
Laughlin/Bullhead City (Las Vegas)
MidAmerica (St. Louis)
Rockford (Chicago)
Victorville (Los Angeles)
Stockton (Bay Area/Sacramento)
Newburgh (New York City)
Trenton (Philadelphia/Newark)

Anyone mentioned DEN (Denver), that airport is way out of town!!! Many US carriers do the same, AirTran's site even has a page dedicated to these. It might be good for passengers to look at a map sometimes if there is a problem. You get what you pay for, the savings may be worth it too.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:36 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Stockton (Bay Area/Sacramento)

When Frontier flew to Stockton, it was listed as "Sacramento/Stockton" in the timetable.

Reno calls itself "Reno/Tahoe International", and the airlines refer to as same, even though South Lake Tahoe has a perfectly airport; 43 miles away.

Fresno calls itself "Fresno/Yosemite"; 121 miles away; Modesto and Merced are closer....

Don't forget PanAm Clipper Connection selling Portsmouth as "Boston".

peoplExpress sold Oakland as "San Francisco", many airlines have done the same with San Jose as well....Southwest currently calls the two cities "San Francisco Bay Area".

Eastern listed Melbourne as Orlando, 46 miles to the east, same with Titusville/Cocoa, 32 miles from the city "Walt Built".

Many airlines in addition have sold Ontario as "Los Angeles"

YIP is 25 miles from Downtown Detroit, but at one time was the area's airport.

Questionable practice, but not a new thing at all, has gone on for years.

Controversy has roots with Mayor LaGuardia landing at New York (Newark) and thowing a tantrum because "Newark is NOT New York"

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting Midway2AirTran (Reply 20):
Anyone mentioned DEN (Denver), that airport is way out of town!!!

Yeah, I was thinking of DEN, ORD, etc., but figured I could stop my list of "falsely advertised" airports since the point had been made.  Wink

As for Bratislava, I know of it thanks to Steve Martin and Dan Akroyd. Two Wild and Crazy Guys who "cruise for many foxes in [their] tight slacks."
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:44 am

Oh, and how about LGW. How many people from around the world land there and then have to ask: "okay, now what?"
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:55 am

A lot of people have complained about FR, including several to the UK Advertising Standards Authourity over the years. The point is Michael O'Leary loves it - he never sees any publicity as bad publicity.

I get a few Americans, Kiwis, Aussies etc over the course of the year coming in to me to buy a new ticket when they have long haul connections out of LHR, and have bought a "cheap" FR ticket out of STN, wrongly assuming LHR and STN are 5 minutes away. Turns out that it isn't all that much fun after a 20+ hr SYD LHR flight to cart luggage and themselves off to STN for their next flight STN FAO. In the return journey they than decide even if it costs more FAO LHR is the way to go. With carriers like FR, the point is to do your homework and find out WHERE you are actually going.

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:06 am

Now that Slovakia is part of EU, I don't see much difference between Bratislava(Vienna) and say, Hamburg(Lubeck).

We used to have in here in Malaysia too with our LCC Air Asia. They used to advertise Ryanair-style to pretend that they serve our neighbouring countries but was quickly withdrawn after only a few months : Johor Bahru (Singapore), Alor Setar (Hat Yai, Thailand) and Labuan (Brunei). It might work for EU, but definitely a big NO-NO here.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:10 am

BSL is another one with a weird name, EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg... the airport is an hour's drive from Freiburg and in a different country.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
As for Bratislava, I know of it thanks to Steve Martin and Dan Akroyd. Two Wild and Crazy Guys who "cruise for many foxes in [their] tight slacks."

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:45 am

Guys, be happy that Ryanair does not make intercontinental flights.

I can already see them advertising "Cologne, near Spain" Big grin
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:57 am

What about Ryanair and easyJet flying to London Luton.... it's in Bedfordshire, not even the next county north of London. Same applies for Stansted in Essex.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 28):
Guys, be happy that Ryanair does not make intercontinental flights.

I can already see them advertising "Cologne, near Spain"

That is funny.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:41 am

Based on experience, it's just as easy to get from Bratislava to Vienna as it is to get between, say, Stansted/Luton/Gatwick and central London, so if the people are willing to go to Stansted from central London to get on the plane, I have no doubt they're willing to get on the train or bus from Bratislava to Vienna. Plus, having been to both Bratislava and Vienna airports, I'd actually prefer to fly into Bratislava, it's easy, small, and quick in and out, something that is not true in Vienna (however, Vienna does have a nicer airport).
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:56 am

I don´t want to participate too much in this "LCCs are good/LCCs are bad" war but I have to clear a few things up.

Of course we all know how FR operates and that SkyEurope is also selling Bratislava as Vienna and so on. But here it is a bit different from , as an example, Frankfurt and Hahn.

As already mentioned, Vienna and Bratislava are in two different countries, which complicates the whole thing. Slovakia is a member of the EU now, that is correct, but it is not participating the treaty of Schengen, which means that you still have to stop and show your passport and have your car searched by dogs and other police officers when you go from Slovakia to Austria or vice versa.

Next, the connections between those two cities are really bad.
In the past there had never been any intentions build highways or train connections because the border was closed until 1989. Since then there haven´t been big improvements, especially not on the Austrian side.
This means that getting from the airport in Bratislava to Vienna´s city center can be a real pain in the a**.

Don´t flame me, I just wanted to state some facts.

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting Djmatthews (Reply 29):
What about Ryanair and easyJet flying to London Luton.... it's in Bedfordshire, not even the next county north of London. Same applies for Stansted in Essex

Since both of these airports market themselves as "London" airports...both carriers are calling them what the airports call themselves.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:37 am

Houston IAH is a good 30+ miles from Downtown Houston. That is quite a ways away if you ask me.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 8):
same thing with CDG, ARN and DEN



Quoting Midway2AirTran (Reply 20):
Anyone mentioned DEN (Denver), that airport is way out of town!!!



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
30 miles seems reasonable in the grand scheme of things.

DEN may seem far because there nothing around it, but from Downtown Denver the drive is 25 miles.

Per MapQuest:
Total Est. Time: 34 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 25.00 miles

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 23):
Oh, and how about LGW. How many people from around the world land there and then have to ask: "okay, now what?"

Travelling by train from LGW (without a premium fare) you can be in central London in 33 minutes. Apart from the Heathrow Express (for which you pay a premium fare), the standard journey into London from LHR takes longer and is less comfortable as its by Underground, stopping at every station.

Its not about how many miles, rather than the convenience.

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:27 am

Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 35):
DEN may seem far because there nothing around it, but from Downtown Denver the drive is 25 miles



Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 35):
Total Est. Time: 34 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 25.00 miles

Not on a Friday afternoon in traffic... more like 45 min - 50 min.

I have been working in the Denver Tech Center/Englewood area even on the toll road (5 dollars each way) and turning in a rental car, you can't get to the terminal within 1 hour total time.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 35):

DEN may seem far because there nothing around it, but from Downtown Denver the drive is 25 miles.

Just give it another 10 years or so and the sprawl will reach DEN......
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 32):
Next, the connections between those two cities are really bad.
In the past there had never been any intentions build highways or train connections because the border was closed until 1989. Since then there haven´t been big improvements, especially not on the Austrian side.
This means that getting from the airport in Bratislava to Vienna´s city center can be a real pain in the a**.

I really found the trip from Bratislava (both airport and city) to Vienna quite easy. Simple bus and/or train, and it takes just over an hour. The border is pretty easy to cross too, especially by train. For instance, when leaving Bratislava - Petrzalka train station, you simply need to pass through a line where first the Slovaks check your passport and then the Austrians, and that's it. Same thing vice versa when getting into Bratislava, though in the opposite order of course. Not only that, but there's hourly (and often more than hourly) trains between the two. Also, there are buses, as metioned before, between the two cities and their airports (Schwechat - Bratslava, Bratislava airport - Vienna). And of course there are taxi's, which take about 20 minutes to downtown Bratislava from the airport IIRC (and buses between airport and downtown as well in both Vienna and Bratislava).

Maybe I was just lucky, but my trips to Vienna and Bratislava were easy, quick, and convenient.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:08 am

As long as I can get a ticket for 1 Euro, they can call the airports whatever the hell they want.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:33 am

SW733 - you are right, it is not that complicated. I just wanted to point out that the connections could be better; especially for the people living there it is not that easy to travel between the two cities. The airports are connected to traffic quite ok.
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting EZYAirbus (Thread starter):
They may only be 30 miles apart but they advertising an airport which is in another country why cant they just advertise it as Bratislava, instead of being the dumb ass retards that they are and advertise it as somewhere different??

This is actually smart marketing. Most people probably don't know that Bratislava is close to Vienna. They can land near Vienna, save money, and actually learn something. And Ryanair can fill up its planes.

So what if the airport is in another city or country? It's close enough. Don't crucify Ryanair because it's not the first to make a "false" advert. Consider:

CDG and ORY are NOT in Paris! (They're in Roissy and Orly, France)
NRT is NOT in Tokyo (It's in Narita, Japan)
IAD is NOT in Washington, DC! (It's in another state in Dulles/Herndon, Virginia, US)
LAX is NOT in metropolitan Los Angeles! (It's actually near El Segundo, Marina Del Rey, Manhattan Beach, and Inglewood, California, US)
SFO is NOT in metropolitan San Francisco! (It's in Burlingame, California, US)
ICN is NOT in Seoul! (It's in Incheon, Korea)
YYZ is NOT in metropolitan Toronto! (It borders Toronto, Mississauga, and Brampton, Ontario, Canada)

.. And there are other examples...

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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
Fresno calls itself "Fresno/Yosemite"; 121 miles away; Modesto and Merced are closer....

But Fresno is the closest major airport.

Modesto has a whopping 4 Brazilia flights a day to SFO.

Merced's only scheduled service is to Las Vegas on Scenic Airlines...and not even to McCarran, but to North Las Vegas. Can you say "no connections"? That's on Beech 1900-Cs.

Fresno is served by American (mainline and Eagle), Allegiant, Skywest (both DL and UA), Horizon, America West (Mesa), and, in a few weeks, Frontier.

The name change was to try to market the airport better, and to try to get the airport code changed from FAT to FYI.  Big grin

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
Reno calls itself "Reno/Tahoe International", and the airlines refer to as same, even though South Lake Tahoe has a perfectly airport; 43 miles away.

South Lake Tahoe doesn't have any scheduled service, hasn't for years. Reno is the closest commercial airport.

Neither of these are misleading. I don't Ryanair's Bratislava-Vienna is that bad, either, not nearly as egregious as saying Hahn really serves Frankfurt. Ryanair's been called on that many times.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 42):
CDG and ORY are NOT in Paris! (They're in Roissy and Orly, France)
NRT is NOT in Tokyo (It's in Narita, Japan)
IAD is NOT in Washington, DC! (It's in another state in Dulles/Herndon, Virginia, US)
LAX is NOT in metropolitan Los Angeles! (It's actually near El Segundo, Marina Del Rey, Manhattan Beach, and Inglewood, California, US)
SFO is NOT in metropolitan San Francisco! (It's in Burlingame, California, US)
ICN is NOT in Seoul! (It's in Incheon, Korea)
YYZ is NOT in metropolitan Toronto! (It borders Toronto, Mississauga, and Brampton, Ontario, Canada)

While we're at it, YVR is not in Vancouver, it's in Richmond.
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newkai
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 16):
If they had listed the airport as "Vienna (Bratislava)" - then it would be false advertising;

SkyEurope used to do this. They have these ridiculous posters in Vienna saying (Destination) €9. Below this it used to say "Ab Wien-Bratislava" (Leaving Vienna-Bratislava) in much smaller print. Now it just says Bratislava.

Another thing European LCCs love to do is offer a price you'll never really get (probably once a year). I don't know how it is with SkyEurope and their €9 fares, but I've checked it out with AB.

Two years ago, AB was running ads claiming Vienna-London via Dortmund for €29. This was in May. I went to their website and checked out their fares all the way to December, not once did I see €29. The lowest I believe I ever saw was €49.

As far as I know I've never seen a US carrier advertise $9 flights. B6 for example advertises their $49 Upstate NY flights, and when you go to their site, you usually get it.

Advertising prices you can get once in a blue moon (or rather one an eclipse) is also false advertising in my opinion.

While Bratislava is decently close to Vienna, the connections are still relatively bad, apart from the bus service, which isn't very frequent.

Even driving is an adventure. The most direct route does not have a freeway. Once you cross into Austria, you get to drive through a cramped village, and through a gate built in the 12th century. I drove this route in about 45-50 minutes this spring. I drove to/from downtown Bratislava though, not the airport... Not sure how close that is. Austria's not very keen on connecting to Eastern Europe apparently. There have been plans to build a highway that would bypass the village mess for years, both to Bratislava and Brno.

The all-freeway route requires you to travel south from Bratislava until coming to the Vienna-Budapest highway. This takes longer though. Signs are also very confusing in Bratislava because of the two routes. You have to know which background color means which. I think green means the freeway route and blue the shorter but non-freeway route.

[Edited 2005-07-10 05:09:06]

[Edited 2005-07-10 05:09:54]
 
newkai
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 32):
which means that you still have to stop and show your passport and have your car searched by dogs and other police officers when you go from Slovakia to Austria or vice versa

Probably depends on what passport you whip out. In my vast collection of active passports, I have an Austrian one, and the last few times I came back into Austria from either Brno in the Czech Republic, or Bratislava, they glanced at my passport for a split second. In fact, one time last summer they didn't even take the closed passport out of my hand!

Although I've heard it has gotten worse as of this week because of the London attacks.
 
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RE: False Advertising By Ryanair Again

Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:29 pm

EWR - It's actually located in Newark, New Jersey, just as it says it is.

Growing up in the nice part of Essex County, let me just say yech.

They should be punished for TRUTH in advertising. Big grin

As for LGW - while the connection isn't too bad to get to London, lots of people show up there not realizing they are that far away, thinking they could take a taxi. Same with NRT.
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