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SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:19 pm

straight from the boss himself tonight on local TV discussing Qantas and SQ merger rumours, anyway he is in Sydney and confirmed that 'the first A380 revenue flight will be Singapore-Sydney' just a matter now of what date!

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:23 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Thread starter):
straight from the boss himself tonight on local TV discussing Qantas and SQ merger rumours, anyway he is in Sydney and confirmed that 'the first A380 revenue flight will be Singapore-Sydney' just a matter now of what date!

I thought it was to be to LHR?

I also thought that the first A380 flights were going to be on the Kangaroo route: LHR-SIN-SYD?

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:26 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
I thought it was to be to LHR?

absolutely not, the first flight will most definately operate to Sydney.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:33 pm

Its SYD, yippee. Anyway, on the kangaroo route it has to be either SYD or LHR, so why not SYD. Its closer and SQ may be using it to butter up on the SYD-LAX route. I will be there with camera in hand.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:38 pm

Here is my theory -

SIN-SYD-LAX-LHR-EWR-SIN-EWR-SIN-EWR

or

SIN-SYD-LAX-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:55 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Thread starter):
confirmed that 'the first A380 revenue flight will be Singapore-Sydney'

As Qantas will be the second Airline to introduce the A380, Singapore Airlines might just take some of that glamour away from Qantas by introducing it first, to its home turf.

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:15 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
As Qantas will be the second Airline to introduce the A380, Singapore Airlines might just take some of that glamour away from Qantas by introducing it first, to its home turf.

I agree!

Will QF operate to LHR as their first flight, if so via BKK, HKG or SIN? Hopefully BKK Big grin

Do QF plan to use their 380's to LAX?

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:18 pm

Qantas first flight will be Melbourne-Los Angeles, you won't see it for a while at London.

SQ will be Sin-Syd-Sin.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:19 pm

Plus that at day 1 of operations, they might plan it around 1 aircraft in service (with the second A380 or a 747 as back up option) and SIN-SYD-SIN can be done within 24 hours with time to iron out small teething problems, while for a daily flight SIN-LHR-SIN you need at least 2 aircraft with a lot more mess up of your bookings if 1 goed technical. So I guess they switch or extend to LHR when they have at least 3 A380s available.
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:19 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
Will QF operate to LHR as their first flight, if so via BKK, HKG or SIN? Hopefully BKK

QF1 and QF2 both go via BKK, so seems logical.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:35 pm

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 4):
SIN-SYD-LAX-LHR-EWR-SIN-EWR-SIN-EWR

or

SIN-SYD-LAX-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR

1. SQ lacks the authority to fly SYD-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-EWR, and SYD-EWR.

2. No pax A380s at EWR.

3. An A380 on LAX-SIN nonstop would likely prove to be an absolute yield killer, as well as a poor LF performer - believe it or not, the USA-SIN market is thin, and SQ's USA success primarily comes from its 5th freedom rights (e.g., SFO-ICN, LAX-NRT, JFK-FRA). SQ's current nonstop flights EWR/LAX-SIN, especially if upgauged to 772LRs, can accomodate virtually all of the nonstop SIN demand.
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:41 pm

Woohoo, if this is turns out to be true, what great news for us Sydneysiders.  Smile

Ah, I like how SQ management is going to rub it in QF's face!!!
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:54 pm

Makes sense from an operations point of view:SIN-SYD-SIN is one daily rotation whereas operating it into LHR would require 3 frames to serve one of the LHR flights daily with the 380.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:00 pm

This makes sense - using the A380 first on the SIN-SYD-SIN turn will allow a one aircraft operation, as pointed out, will keep the aircraft closer to home (the SIN-SYD run is only about 8 hours), and will allow crew to build up experience on the type during the first couple of months. I image that the second aircraft will also do some regional type services at the outset and when the SQ A380 fleet builds to at least 4 of the type, it will then be assigned to the LHR-SIN route.

Lets be fair, there will be lots of issues to deal with when the A380 goes into service - it will be a brand new type, SQ will be one of the first operators, its first deliveries will be early build examples, and the A380 is a whole new size and category of aircraft that ground staff will have to deal with. It will take a (hopefully short) period of time until everything is in order with both the airplane and its operation. Keeping the first A380 based at SIN and using it on the SIN-SYD-SIN route will allow SQ to gain experience with its newest toy.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:00 am

Is QF going to bring the A380 into T4 or TBIT at LAX?
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:06 am

I just hope we get 1 A380 flight during the daytime at LAX.
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:32 am

For the current SYD/MEL-LAX routing, you need to get there in the morning to see them land, and then most leave after dark.

But odds are good you'll get to see a parked A380!
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:02 am

On a busy morning I've just digested Chew's comments.

Clearly SQ is in favour of more cross border ownership of airline shares, equally clearly as he said, no one told SQ why merging with QF would be a good idea.

"I feel like I've learned from someone else that I am about to be married" was the gist of his comment on that.

Chew recognised the value of consolidation, but also the issues in the way.

I stand by my view of business in Asia, formulated over many decades, that consolidation in that part of the world means the winning team kills/screws/ guts the loosing team.

Co-operation is another matter of course.

The end result of this debate will be to give Qantas to access to the foreign equity (and much higher share price that it wants. They have the support of many in the financial community on that, including myself.

Chew pointed out that the first four A380s will be SQ's and that the delivery timetable was first march 06, then June 06, and now November 06.

I suspect that not only will Sydney be first as he stressed, but that daily London may be first, once the initial jets are in place, via Changi of course and its new terminal three.

On a side note, I'm in our Canberra office on this dismal Sunday morning and about to go back to the high plains where unfortunately a light aircraft with three people on board has been missing for over a day.

There is very heavy snow in the crash area, which is near the Mt Hotham airstrip, the highest in this country. The plane was heard 'labouring' about the time it was due on a private flight from Essendon in Melbourne. People are searching by horseback as well as skidoo today and yesterday. With over a metre of fresh snow on top of the base of around half a metre before this dump, this is a sad and difficult task.

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Is QF going to bring the A380 into T4 or TBIT at LAX?

Expect it at T4. The gates there were sized with the A380 in mind.

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:46 pm

It seems to me that SQ's flight from SYD to SIN actually continues with the same aircraft to LHR. so i definatley think they will send it on the cangaroo route, its just a matter of starting in one end.

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:45 pm

SQ's continued flirtation with QANTAS is starting to get annoying.

The CEO of Singapore Air has already said that were it not for regulatory concerns he would try to consolidate his airline with QANTAS. We'll have to see what happens...

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:18 pm

WGW2707,

Don't worry. SQ's idea of consolidation is eradication. Qantas knows that. It just wants to foreign ownership cap lifted (which isn't a bad idea.) After that is achieved there will still be a Qantas and a Singapore Airlines, but I wouldn't like to be a small vulnerable carrier.

There are a lot of false tracks being drawn across a totally unquestioning media by this. Pity we can't have an Airliners net aviation show where we get to ask the difficult questions.

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:54 pm

Guess that there will also be some crew familiarisation flights before the 1st "official flight". (BKK, HKG????)

I plan to be on that and also photographing it from Changi! Big grin

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:30 pm

Andrew, keep me informed of it's familiarisation flights can you please?!?! i'll swing a lift up to Singapore and go for a ride too!
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:42 pm

SQ may be flying to Sydney first, in part, since they did not get access to the Australian-U.S. market. Reminding that they can pile on the seats to Oz if they want.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:37 am

Jet-lagged,

Not only that, they need the seats. SQ is very popular here. You often can't get any seats and QF and CX similarly have very hard days in terms of space. partly because they cut so many seats out for new premium product, and also because of strong growth in recent years.

We need the A380 NOW in our slot constrained and predominantly orgin and destination SYD-LHR route. Similarly to LAX. If anything like reasonable growth comes back to the Japan routes we'll need them for Narita too.

And Yes, the routes that do well with 200-300 seat jets are also in need of more of those. At the moment it is a very attractive international market here provided your costs and prdouct are right.

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting Antares (Reply 25):
We need the A380 NOW in our slot constrained and predominantly orgin and destination SYD-LHR route. Similarly to LAX. If anything like reasonable growth comes back to the Japan routes we'll need them for Narita too

Antares, I thought VS loads weren't doing too well on this route, certainly there are empty seats to be filled on VS planes...
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:51 am

Jacobin777,

VS has a different problem. It has tight loads between HKG and LHR that yield rather better than those seats they can sell on a through trip basis from SYD.

This is true of the two sectors in general, however VS really needs more capacity on the route in order to accommodate those who want to go all the way from Sydney.

As an interim strategy we see VS discounting on the HKG-SYD route, but unable to dedal with the clout of CX and QF in this respect, with multiple flights a day and so forth.

My guess is they expected these losses up front. If I guess wrong they sure miscalculated.

Regards

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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:08 am

Anteres...very interesting..that could possibly mean that a lack of planes is causing this problem for VS...as they get more of the A346's into their fleet, I expect them to put it into this route immediately

however, if true, then why don't they lease a few 744's...there are a few available in the desert....

if I can recall, I do believe VS mentioned that the route would be not profitable for a while..

that being said the competition is tight, but like WN, I haven't seen VS turn down competition......kudos to them!
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:04 am

VS is in an odd situation - there is adequate demand for LHR-SYD and demand on the LHR-HKG route is already established, so there are not enough seats between LHR and HKG but probably too many between HKG and SYD. Its problematic when two popular destination are combined on one flight. While VS was very excited about flying to SYD via HKG, the results have almost been "too good" and its seems that using HKG as the stopover city is not working out exactly as planned.

The issue can probably be solved by adding an LHR-HKG flight 3 or 4 days per week - that would free up seats for pax travelling all the way to SYD. I do not know if VS has or needs additional governmental authority to add more flights between LHR and HKG.

Would VS have been better off routing the LHR to SYD flight via another city, say BKK or KUL (SIN is out due to the fact that SQ is a major shareholder is VS).......it took a lot of effort to get the rights to offer seats on the HKG-SYD segment and it does not really seem to be paying off.
 
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RE: SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney

Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 29):
Would VS have been better off routing the LHR to SYD flight via another city, say BKK or KUL (SIN is out due to the fact that SQ is a major shareholder is VS).......it took a lot of effort to get the rights to offer seats on the HKG-SYD segment and it does not really seem to be paying off.

VS still heavily markets its MH code-shares via KUL here in Oz - they're not actually really selling SYD-HKG-LHR at all, just heavily heavily discounting the SYD-HKG sector.

Quite curious actually - and then they hope to bring the 380 here to SYD. I wonder what the SYD-HKG loading might be like and how much we might be paying to get to HKG!
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