thegregster
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GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:52 pm

Last week there was a incident at MAN where a Ramp agent took a GPU from a Aircraft (B734) while it was still connected, this caused over half a million pounds worth of damage to the plane and put it out of service for two days

The agent received a final warning for the incident which will stay on his record for 18 months, Bearing in mind he had no previous warnings or incidents on his record does everyone think this was a fair outcome.
 
trident2e
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:14 pm

Quoting Thegregster (Thread starter):
Bearing in mind he had no previous warnings or incidents on his record does everyone think this was a fair outcome.

Depends on whether or not he had received adequate training. If he had, then the punishment seems reasonable.

By the way, whose 737 was it?

[Edited 2005-07-10 11:14:29]
 
dogfighter2111
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:16 pm

YES!!!

Ofcourse it is fair, he should have been sacked. Causing so much damage to a single aircraft.

Thanks
Mike
 
trident2e
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:19 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Ofcourse it is fair, he should have been sacked. Causing so much damage to a single aircraft.

Why should he have been sacked? Using your logic please tell us how much damage someone is allowed to make before they get sacked.
 
thegregster
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:26 pm

It was a Jet 2 (TF - ELZ)

He had adequate training although it was the last day of doing 6 10hour shifts
which would have meant he was approaching 60 hours for a Weeks work, surly accidents are going to happen
 
TIMC
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:14 pm

Mistakes happen in everything... you have to accept that. This just happened to be a more costly one.

I'm sure this person has probably saved hundreds of pounds worth of the airlines company working his arse off in the first place to get the planes out on time in the past...

One mistake doesn't make someone stupid or a bad worker.
 
dogfighter2111
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:54 pm

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 3):
Why should he have been sacked? Using your logic please tell us how much damage someone is allowed to make before they get sacked.

If you own the airline, and an employee causes such damage, It is not only the money to repair the aircraft but it is also the loss of profit for the 2 days the a/c was out of service.

This guy could easily do it again and why should they give him the chance to do it again?

Mike

EDIT: It is especially worse for this to happen to such a small airline.

[Edited 2005-07-10 13:56:56]
 
Catatonic
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:37 pm

Just think, at least its unlikely that he will ever do it again!
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copter808
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:31 am

dogfighter2111, when you get older and are able to get a ramp job, you'll see how easily these things can happen. Not that they "should" happen, but they do.

Sounds like a lot of damage for not unplugging a GPU, usually it just damages the plug receptacle and door.
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Catatonic (Reply 7):
Just think, at least its unlikely that he will ever do it again!

Exactly, he will learn from his mistake, and so will others.  Smile

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GQfluffy
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:43 am

Dogfighter,

Just think about how much money the airline will save by keeping him. It costs a heckuva lot of money to train new people. Sure he made a mistake, but I will all most guarantee he'll never do it again. Odds are this guy punished himself far more then the airline ever could.

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dogfighter2111
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:09 am

I understand what your saying, but it's not tha airline that has employed him.

Jet 2 don't have their own ground crew and they use the staff at the airport. I'm not sure what the company is called @ MAN but here in EDI, Globespan use REED Aviation.

+ I don't see why people are attacking me, i'm not saying you are GQ but i am entitled to my opinion as that is what was asked in the topic.

Thanks
Mike
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:11 am

Its Menzies who do Jet2 at MAN, and they need to be hiring rather than sacking people at the moment!
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trident2e
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
This guy could easily do it again and why should they give him the chance to do it again?

So, what you're saying is the next time you make a mistake at work you should be sacked to ensure you don't do it again. What stupid logic you have.
 
dogfighter2111
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:10 am

Well, first of all i don't work.

Second, if i did work do you honestly think i would cause half a million £ in damages?

And before you say i could if i had a job like his but i don't want to get a ramp Job and wouldn't take it even if it was the only thing going. (Not that it's a bad job)

Mike
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:11 am

DogFighter,

Do you actually think this guy went out to deliberately cause damage?!!! When you get in the real world of work you will realise that no one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them and not to just point the finger of blame at the individual. You never know, you might end up in a similar circumstance in you're life, and going around with an attitude like yours will do you no favours in life.

Mark

[Edited 2005-07-11 20:13:27]
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dogfighter2111
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:17 am

Demoose, to be honest i would just accept it.
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:18 am

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 8):
Sounds like a lot of damage for not unplugging a GPU, usually it just damages the plug receptacle and door.



Quoting Thegregster (Thread starter):
half a million pounds worth of damage to the plane

Copter...I agree that the half mill estimate is too high....especially if the aircraft is oos for only 48 hrs.

Quoting TheGregster (Reply 4):
it was the last day of doing 6 10hour shifts

Now there looks to be the culprit...
 
Demoose
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:22 am

You'd accept losing you're job because of one mistake which could have been due to your employer either providing inadequate training or being overworked. Well more fool you.
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dogfighter2111
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:24 am

i'd get another job. Not a big deal. There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

Thanks
Mike
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Ofcourse it is fair, he should have been sacked.

Bollocks. Accidents happen. You cannot sack someone because of a single mistake!

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
If you own the airline, and an employee causes such damage, It is not only the money to repair the aircraft but it is also the loss of profit for the 2 days the a/c was out of service.

This guy could easily do it again and why should they give him the chance to do it again?

YOu have to look into why the accident occurred. If it was stupidity and a first offence, then the warning is fair. Had there been other 'incidents' then dismissal would likely have happened.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 14):
Well, first of all i don't work.

Second, if i did work do you honestly think i would cause half a million £ in damages?

And before you say i could if i had a job like his but i don't want to get a ramp Job and wouldn't take it even if it was the only thing going. (Not that it's a bad job)

You arrogant little sh*t.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
i'd get another job. Not a big deal. There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

People with all the exams in the world struggle to get jobs. It takes more than qualifications, it takes life experience, and above anything else, the right attitude. And you, you stupid little boy, will do well to remember that.

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diesel1
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:16 am

Guys, guys, guys....

You're biting... take no notice, Dogfighter2111, knows no better.. he's only a child.

Move on, forget about him....

He'll learn, he'll find out.
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DH106
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

Mmmm - degree in modesty perhaps ?
Or perhaps some qualification in diplomacy ?
Just a hunch  Smile
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thegregster
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:30 am

Just thought you might like to know the planes back in full service for jet 2
and the ramp agent has been put in the bag dock for a few months and will be brought back onto the ramp gradually.
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:50 pm

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 8):
Sounds like a lot of damage for not unplugging a GPU, usually it just damages the plug receptacle and door.

The arcing could only be half of the damage.

Most electrical systems also have the battery tied into it. SO if he pulled the GPU and the crew didn't notice it, its possible to have drained the batteries down to needing a deep cycle to get them back to capacity. The entire recharge process can take a few days if the batteries REALLY require it.

Also, a good battery tech can cost some money.
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:56 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

Mmm and you may well be getting interviewed by the likes of me. And its not exam results that impress me the most when I recruit someone.....
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
 
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got

Am I missing something? Has the exam structure in the UK changed? What exams do 13-15 year olds have? Don't you even have to be 16 to sit GCSE's?

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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:56 am

I work on the ramp for the Swissport at MAN, and they way we work it, is if you cause damage to equipment, or aircraft, you lose your driving permit for a week, and are put into the baggage hall, for 2 weeks. Then you are allowed to come back out onto the ramp.

You don't get sacked for an indicent, you learn from them!

Was it a GPU or FEP Gregster, not that it makes any difference!

Mark
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MANmatt
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RE: GPU Accident At MAN

Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:18 am

People learn from mistakes, you can't just go sacking someone if they cause one mistake. The airline industry is a very intense industry and if you go sacking people for making one mistake then there would be nobody left out there! I always like to think i do my job to the best of my ability on check in and at the gates, but from time to time we all make mistakes, its part of life. You just have to take it on the chin, learn from what happened and move on. If we were sacked after making one mistake, i suspect most of my colleagues would be out of a job by now!

Trust me Mike, when you get out in the working world you will soon find out how easy mistakes can be made.

Matt

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