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Continental MD-80 Routes?

Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:57 pm

hi, can anyone tell me what routes continental flew their md-80's, i would really appreciate it, thanks, Luciano.
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Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:24 am

Over the years, CO's once large MD80 fleet flew on almost every domestic CO route, at one time or another, with the exception of transcon services for which they did not have the range. The MD80s also flew some services to cities in Mexico. CO's MD80s flew on routes out of the EWR, CLE and IAH hubs, and also out of CO's DEN hub until that operation was closed down. Its almost impossible to make a complete list of routes there were so many. CO had MD81/82 & 83 models in their fleet....some of the MD80s were acquired new while others were acquired on the second hand market from various airlines.

Its interesting to note that CO flew the 733 and MD80 side-by-side for many years - although most airlines picked one type or the other, CO had large numbers of both types in its fleet and the MD80 tended to fly short to medium haul high demand routes while the 733, at the time, flew some of the longer haul domestic routes.
 
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:01 am

Didn't CO acquire the MD80's through one of their mergers (PeopleExpress or Frontier) or did they order them directly from MD? Or was it the 733's they got from a merger? I can't remember which.
 
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:09 am

IIRC, some of the CO MD-80s were new, some were from mergers (Frontier, NY Air) and still others were second hand (Air Cal, Hawaiian (?), Muse/Transtar).
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:27 am

They inherited the 733s from the various mergers IIRC (NY Air, Frontier) some 72S and 73S came from People Express.
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
Didn't CO acquire the MD80's through one of their mergers (PeopleExpress or Frontier) or did they order them directly from MD? Or was it the 733's they got from a merger? I can't remember which.

NY Air was a seperately owned airline that was owned by the Texas Air Group, the then owner of CO (and EA) - NY Air was folded into the new expanded CO oepration at the same time that CO took over People Express (Feb 1987 I believe)......NY Air operated MD80s, 733s and DC9S aircraft all which were returned to the CO fleet. CO did pick up some ex-Frontier 732s and MD80s as part of the People Express deal (PE had just bought Frontier One - part of why PE collapsed) and got 731s/732s/72S/747 aircraft from People Express. (PE's fleet was all second hand, the 731s were ex-LH, the 732s were ex-PW and CP, the 72S were ex-DL (NE), ex-AZ and ex-BN and the 747s were from a variety of airlines including ex-QF).

The CO 733s were ordered by Texas Air group (that is why the 737-3T0 code and not the standard X24 CO code) - its interesting that originally some of the 733s were intended for EA but that never happened as EA closed down. Some of the 737-3T0s went to other carriers via leasing companies (CO refused delivery on some due to finances) but most if not all made they way back to CO over the years. CO also operated seven 737-3Q8s which were much newer than the -3T0s (and actually had more in common with the CO 735s than the other CO 733s) but those aircraft left the CO fleet after 9/11 and were re-leased to Buzz, the KLM low cost subsidiary that got merged into Ryanair.....those 733s are now with a variety of other operators but that is another story.

MD80s were also acquired second hand from Muse Air, Air California, Hawaiian, Alaska, and some others, aside from a good number of new builds from the factory.

To say it as kindly as I can, the CO fleet just after the PE merger was one big mess.
 
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
NY Air was a seperately owned airline that was owned by the Texas Air Group, the then owner of CO (and EA) - NY Air was folded into the new expanded CO oepration at the same time that CO took over People Express (Feb 1987 I believe)......NY Air operated MD80s, 733s and DC9S aircraft all which were returned to the CO fleet

Just to add to this, our (New York Air) MD80's did indeed come from all over. We had one or two from Air Cal IIRC, which we all hated because they lacked a third galley in the front. It would be months of use before this problem was fixed.

As for the 737-3T0's, they came to NY new from Boeing, however the last few were delivered to NY in CO colors with a sticker "owned and operated by New York Air".

When NY was started, Texas Air did not yet own EA, that was much later.
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):


When NY was started, Texas Air did not yet own EA, that was much later.

Very true, when NY started around 1980, it had an all D9S fleet - the DC9S came from Swissair and Austrian I believe.
 
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:58 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Very true, when NY started around 1980, it had an all D9S fleet - the DC9S came from Swissair and Austrian I believe.

The first A/C came from Texas International/Continental. That is one reason that the CO employees hated us so much. They felt, and rightly so, that Lorenzo was taking their assets and using them on the East Coast to set up his non-union airline.

When we grew, then DC9-30's came from all over. I don't know the origin of the Texas International and CO DC9's. They may have been SR and Austrian to begin with, however we all could see CO gold paint around the doors, as well as Texas International Blue!!!
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:52 am

For a time, in CO's infinate insanity, we flew them CLE-LAX, CLE-SFO. Weight-restriction nightmares in the summertime.
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RE: Continental MD-80 Routes?

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
flew on almost every domestic CO route

CO flew mad dogs everywhere – short hops like IAH-SAT and DFW and long hops like IAH-LGA and BOS.

As late as last month, I spotted several CO mad dogs in/around their Hobby mx hangar. Of course, those planes are recently retired and stripped of titles (a la their Uncle Gordo).

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