EZEIZA
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Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:02 am

Hi everyone,
A Southern Winds 732 with 106 pax on board had to do an emergency landing today when one of the engines began to have an unusual temperature increase. The flight was A4 6176 from AEP to Bariloche and had to land in Nequen. No injuries were reported among pax or crew.

Southern Winds is just building up problems. Although this is a really minor incident, it just adds up to A4's problems, that began with the narco escandalo a few months ago.

http://buscador.lanacion.com.ar/Nota.asp?nota_id=720303&high=southern

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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:11 am

Well, that's what the media is trying to do. Attacking whatever is weak by tweaking every minor incident into a big "catastrophe".

I'm utterly disappointed with La Nación, in this article. I didn't know that they turned into the "Clarín" style.

As for A4, it's seems they got a new investor, Hotel tycoon Horacio Rozenblum that bought the company and all it's actives (passives -debt-, too) for ARS 1.000.000 (about USD 500.000). I hope A4 keeps on flying. Just to have a very interesting domestic market, and preventing other companies from taking slots they don't deserve.

Cheers!
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[Edited 2005-07-11 19:15:04]
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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:17 am

Which B737 was it? I've the information that A4 only flies with two B737 (LV-YGB and LV-ZZA) - all other are stored at AEP, COR and EZE.
 
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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:27 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 2):
Which B737 was it? I've the information that A4 only flies with two B737 (LV-YGB and LV-ZZA) - all other are stored at AEP, COR and EZE.

I really don't know anything about this. I've seen 3 A4 737-200s at AEP yesterday. It is a 737-200, they don't have any other model. There is no info about the reggo.

The "airline" that flies with only two LV-BBN and LV-*** is LAN Argentina

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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:35 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Thread starter):
A Southern Winds 732 with 106 pax on board had to do an emergency landing today when one of the engines began to have an unusual temperature increase.

Let's not exaggerate it like the media does and call this a precautionary landing..
 
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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting Prok (Reply 4):
Let's not exaggerate it like the media does and call this a precautionary landing..

sorry, I was just translating from the (exaggerated) report

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
As for A4, it's seems they got a new investor, Hotel tycoon Horacio Rozenblum that bought the company and all it's actives (passives -debt-, too) for ARS 1.000.000 (about USD 500.000). I hope A4 keeps on flying. Just to have a very interesting domestic market, and preventing other companies from taking slots they don't deserve.

Hola Gaston,

Very interesting, although doesn't 500,000 USD sound a bit too little? I thought A4 was in a much worse situation. In any case, it is great news. I too hope A4 keeps on flying. The more we have the better for everyone! By the way, do you know how the situation of A4 is regarding the EZE-MAD route? Are they still using the 767 and the 742?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
The "airline" that flies with only two LV-BBN and LV-*** is LAN Argentina

airfleets.net updated yesterday and is showing three 732's as active. Until yesterday it was showing two active and one stored.

the three are:
LV-BBM, LV-BBI and LV-BBO

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/i...tecie&opp=LAN%20Argentina&app=b737

un abrazo
Beto
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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:09 am

Good evening gentlemen,

Some corrections:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
ARS 1.000.000 (about USD 500.000).

Considering 1 USD = 2,88 ARS, 1.000.000 pesos means 347.222,22 dollars.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
I've seen 3 A4 737-200s at AEP yesterday

I've been on Saturday to AEP and there were 2 A4 732s there. According to my sources (an A4 F/A among others), there is no third 732 flying for them. The registrations of those 2 are LV-YGB and LV-ZZA, just like fellow member Viasa said.

As for the rest of Southern Winds' fleet, LV-AIX "Don Bosco" (Boeing 767-300ER) was returned to its lessor, GECAS, and now flies for Portugal's Euro Atlantic Airways. The 747-200 went back to England, and it should be stored at Manston as I write this. Some 737-200s are stored at Ezeiza, while other chanchas are spread all over Argentina, some in Córdoba (I've personally seen those) and some others in Mendoza.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
The "airline" that flies with only two LV-BBN and LV-*** is LAN Argentina

Lan Argentina's aircraft are LV-BBI, LV-BBM and LV-BBO (the 3rd didn't enter service yet).

LV-BBN is Aerolíneas Argentinas' 7th Boeing 737-500.

Saludos,
Marambio

[Edited 2005-07-12 00:15:02]
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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:29 am

Que caray che...

All of the corrections were done to my posts!  Silly

Quoting Marambio (Reply 6):
Lan Argentina's aircraft are LV-BBI, LV-BBM and LV-BBO (the 3rd didn't enter service yet).

LV-BBN is Aerolíneas Argentinas' 7th Boeing 737-500.

Yes, I wasn't sure at the time I posted. I was between M and N, and I went the wrong way.

As for the 737-200s stored, who owns them? If A4 owns them, it's ok for them to be stored. If they are leased, why didn't LAN offer money to lease them and increase their current poor operation capabilites?

And btw, what are the loads on LAN for COR, BRC and MDZ?

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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:51 am

Come on guy! let LAN in peace for a while! I'm amazed you haven't blame them yet for the Tsunami!

Quoting EZEIZA (Thread starter):
began to have an unusual temperature increase. The flight was A4 6176 from AEP to Bariloche and had to land in Nequen. No injuries were reported among pax or crew.

That's about 3/4s of the flight, right? so it was about... 40 mins after takeoff? Never heard of that before; any idea about the reason?

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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
All of the corrections were done to my posts!

A veces pasa!  Wink

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
I was between M and N, and I went the wrong way.

Some friends of mine created a nickname for Lan Argentina's LV-BBM: Lima Victor-Bolocco Bolocco Menem. I guess you'll remember it now.  Silly

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
As for the 737-200s stored, who owns them?

LV-ZYX: lsd from ACG Nevada
LV-AGC: lsd from PLM
LV-ZZC: lsd from ACG
LV-AHV: lsd from PLM, now with TAF Linhas Aéreas from Brazil as PT-MTH

The rest I have got no information.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
If they are leased, why didn't LAN offer money to lease them and increase their current poor operation capabilites?

I know nothing about Lan Argentina's fleet expansion, but I believe these former A4 aircraft are so old, that they will (sadly) end up stored somewhere in Argentina or in the desert.

Besides, all Lan Argentina planes come from Lan Chile, and I guess they want to keep it that way.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
And btw, what are the loads on LAN for COR, BRC and MDZ?

As far as I know, they are doing quite well. People fly them because they have rock-bottom fares to all their network.

Saludos,
Marambio
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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:11 am

Hi again,

they jusy talked about the incident on the TV (America noticias) and the aircraft they showed was involved was LV-ZZA, named "Patagonia".



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However, I was at AEP today and ZZA was there, so I'm guessing the incident was very small if they were able to fly it back to AEP just a few hours after (or the TV just showed any A4 aircraft they had on archive??)

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
Never heard of that before; any idea about the reason?

Hola arcano

sorry, haven't heard yet of the reason for this temp increase, if i find out I'll let you know

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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
Come on guy! let LAN in peace for a while! I'm amazed you haven't blame them yet for the Tsunami!

hehe, well... I'm close to! Big grin

No, seriously, delays all the time -and them BEING FREQUENT- you can't call a good operation capability to THAT.

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RE: Southern Winds Incident

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:00 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11):
No, seriously, delays all the time -and them BEING FREQUENT- you can't call a good operation capability to THAT.

Indeed, no airline should face constant delays and LAN is not an exeption. Even more, you have to demand more!

Any idea about the delays?

And keep trying, I know you'll get it! a few more months and you will be a LAN PASS holder  Wink

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