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Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 4:55 am

Can anyone tell me what the future plans for Lindburgh Field in San Diego are. I was down there a while back and discovered that replacing this airport was the hot political topic. It's landlocked with a single runway, very close to the city, (so there are complaints about noise), and many pilots think the approach is an accident waiting to happen because of a hill almost at the threshhold of the runway. A number of possiblities have been looked at and rejected including converting a closed Naval air station (Miriamar?). Has anything new surfaced (pardon the pun...)?

Charles
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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:20 am

Nothing has happened on this subject for the 30+ years it has been a hot issue in San Diego.

Nothing expected to change in the foreseeable future.

NAS Miramar is now MCAS Miramar. It is not closed, but FIGHTERTOWN, USA is gone for good.  

The approach to SAN is not dangerous, but does require precision flying on a non-precision approach. From the east it is a Localizer-Backcourse approach between downtown high-rise buildings on the left and high terrain on the right using a 3.9 degree glideslope to avoid high terrain (east) and parking structure near threshold of runway.


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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:29 am

It seems as if everyone has an opinion as to what to do with SAN, which is (unfortunately) sure to drag this issue out for a LONG time...

You're right - the current location offers no room for expansion, and and expansion is needed badly. I doubt the Marines would give up Miramar, so what happens is anyone's guess...

Brown Field (near Chula Vista) could be an option, but local residents are fighting back in a big way in regards to a possible cargo expansion there.

Good question, difficult answer.

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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:42 am

As others have said, this is a hot issue and it will be a hot one for a while.

We've had options fall thru such as the proposed Bi-national airport with Tijuana and the takeover of former NAS Miramar. This issue is sure to be around for a while as there is no real solution out there that everyone wants to agree on.

Here is a look at what the Port Of San Diego supposedly has in store provided that the Marines vacate MCRD. I don't know how realistic that is, anyone with more insight want to comment?
 
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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 7:41 am

My two cents worth:

Let Tijuana have the airport capacity with cargo. That way cargo flights from Asia could fly there. San Diego will never agree on an airport big enough for its needs. It must stop thinking that it will be the next Los Angeles (world class city) and look at what it has in its own back yard.
Right now, the industry is in Tijuana and along the border. San Diego itself has no heavy industry. To hell with those John Birchers; look at and accept Mexico as your destiny, a unique binational mega city.
 
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A Water Airport

Thu Apr 27, 2000 9:22 am

I know this is far-fetched, but wouldn't it be cool if San Diego built a water airport like the one in Japan? I think it would be awsome, but very, very expensive, and also time consuming, i believe it took about 6-8 years to build the one in Japan. I personally haven't been to SAN, but from the pictures i have seen it looks really nice.

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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 12:44 pm

A new airport will always be a topic in San Diego. But while NIMBYS (Not In My Back Yard) and polticians argue and study the issue to death, development has precluded any options on the American side of the border. Tijuana, Mexico has long runways and the capacity and a terminal could be built for US travelers on the US side of the border. They could literally walk across the street via skybridge to the planes. But will North San Diego residents want to travel south to an airport or will they go to Orange County?

Enviros will never allow an off shore airport.

Does San Diego really need non stop international flights? Can the market support/fill them? Most airlines need smaller markets like San Diego to fill their international flights leaving from their hubs. San Diego has another 10 years of flight capacity. The Airport is going to build a terminal for Southwest on the other side of the runway on Pacific Highway. That will relieve traffic congestion.

We'll be discussing this topic 10, 20, 30 years from now.
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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Thu Apr 27, 2000 1:16 pm

Yeah, I really think there is a need for long-haul service from SAN. In fact BA, and the Port of San Diego have met (will meet?) regarding nonstop 777 service to LGW for next year (replacing the current 744 that stops in PHX). Yes, SAN's current runway can handle a fully loaded triple-seven. Don't know what the latest is on that though...

San Diego is the seventh largest city in the United States, with a very diverse population...and the home to many LARGE corporations. I'm very sure that if any major international carrier would offer non-stop service, they could consistantly fill their planes. ESPECIALLY to Asia...

Well, I'm off to pack for my trip to SRQ tomorrow morning...I'm very much looking forward to the DL L-1011 to ATL!!! This will probably be my last time on the great L-10...  

-Scott
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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Fri Apr 28, 2000 1:30 am

Hey, I lived there for a while too, and it's a great place to hang around for awhile. San Diego is just not far enough away from Los Angeles to have nonstops to Asia. The only way they would ever have foreign Asian airlines come in, is as a tag onto the LA flights. I can see London as a destination, and hope they get the BA flight mentioned above.
Although there are medium sized corporations in San Diego, it remains pretty much a large resort area. Hell, I can't even think of one smokestack in San Diego!
That's the point of my previous post -- why fight against your strengths? In cooperation with Tijuana, there's a strong partnership for importing and exportiing goods all over the world.
 
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RE: Future Plans For SAN

Fri Apr 28, 2000 1:54 am

Who needs smokestacks? San Diego has Qualcomm, SAIC, Gateway Computers' HQ, tons of high tech, Internet and biotechnology industry. In fact, we're becoming known as Telecom Valley. It's my hometown and one of two cities in which I live. Please don't move here. We're too crowded. When the surf's good, I have to share too many waves. But we're more than a resort/navy town.

I really doubt San Diego's ability to fill a daily flight to London and certainly not to Asia. It isn't a hub for any airline. How many cities have international flights from the USA which aren't also hub cities? With LAX and SFO so close, why another Asian or European gateway?
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