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Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:31 am


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i found out a couple days ago that NW decided the the A319 is DBER.appearently when they hit,it snapped the rear main spar.
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:27 am

What a waste.
You'd think they'd just unbolt the wing and bolt another on  Smile
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1MillionFlyer
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:31 am

this is categorized by the FAA as incident.


I hope the insurance was paid!
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:39 am

Is this the first Airbus lost in a ground incident for NW or the second? LGA?
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:44 am

I doubt the bus will be written off... maybe the 9 will.


I know the Pinnacle CRJ that went offroading in MKE in january is already back on the line...it was classified as an accident. Doesn't take much to do a million dollars of damage these days.
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:53 am

I realize this incident is far from funny. But...Is it just me or do these two aircraft look as if they were caught in the middle of...err...making baby airplanes?

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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 4):
I know the Pinnacle CRJ that went offroading in MKE in january is already back on the line...it was classified as an accident. Doesn't take much to do a million dollars of damage these days.

Thats good to hear, initial rumors were that this aircraft was damaged beyond repair too. I hadn't heard about it coming back, or seen it, so I assumed they did write it off. Initial reports were that the aircraft was literally bent. Shows what a good repair job they can do.

An A319 was written off in LGA in a ground incident a year or two ago. The 757 it hit was repaired and returned to service within a week. The A319 was parted out in LGA.

The DC-9 is a write-off, not economical to repair. It is being parted-out in MSP. Can't confirm anything on the A319. Airbus did have a team working on it. Its possible it may not be worth repairing. Sometimes the parts are are more valuable that the costs to repair.
 
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:22 am

Uh, ive heard quite the opposite that they were only a short time away from getting its certificate back. If they were going to scrap it they would have done it in the beginning.
 
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 2):
this is categorized by the FAA as incident.

Actually, given the damage involved to each aircraft, and the hospitalization of the DC-9 captain, it's technically an "accident."

From NTSB Part 830: (Definitions)

Aircraft accident means an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.

Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety of operations.

Serious injury means any injury which: (1) Requires hospitalization for more than 48 hours, commencing within 7 days from the date of the injury was received; (2) results in a fracture of any bone (except simple fractures of fingers, toes, or nose); (3) causes severe hemorrhages, nerve, muscle, or tendon damage; (4) involves any internal organ; or (5) involves second- or third-degree burns, or any burns affecting more than 5 percent of the body surface.

Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered "substantial damage'' for the purpose of this part.
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1MillionFlyer
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:43 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Actually, given the damage involved to each aircraft, and the hospitalization of the DC-9 captain, it's technically an "accident."

You are right OPNL, I didn't realize there were injuries, That's what I get for 3 hours sleep last night.

Thanks for the correction, in any event it is not categorized as a "crash".  Smile
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:44 am

The A319 in question WILL be returned to service--The new tail skin sections were being installed today and due out in about 3 weeks....
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting Hirisk (Thread starter):
the hospitalization of the DC-9 captain

May 5.. that is almost one and 1/2 months ago. Time fly past fast! Slight off topic here - how is the captain doing today? I am sure the lone captain is out of the hospital by now.. did the captain return to work as of yet?
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:06 am

Actually, at first glance (in the small picture), the nose of the DC-9 looks like a secone engine on the right wing (let your eyes go out of focus).

My first thought at seeing this was "when did NWA start CV-880 service?"  laughing 
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hirisk
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:27 am

thanks for the correction farve.i guess the person who told me was incorrect.
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:13 am

Does anybody recall what happened to the NW A320 that slid into a light pole while "parked" at LAS? I recall the plane being in a make-shift hanger at the North end of the cargo area for several weeks if not months.
 
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 14):
Does anybody recall what happened to the NW A320 that slid into a light pole while "parked" at LAS? I recall the plane being in a make-shift hanger at the North end of the cargo area for several weeks if not months

That aircraft had minimal damage and returned to service.

The only write-offs in recent times:
A319 - LGA: collision with jet bridge during maintenance taxi to gate
Avro RJ-85 (Mesaba) - MEM: collision with jet bridge, brake/hydraulic failure into gate
CRJ (Pinnacle) - JEF: Flight 3701 ferry flight, crash
DC-9-50 - MSP: Hydraulic / brake failure on taxi, collision with A319
DC-9-30 - MSP: fuel truck ran into DC-9, driver fell asleeps
 
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RE: Update On NW Crash 5/05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:54 pm

Avro RJ-85 (Mesaba) - MEM: collision with jet bridge, brake/hydraulic failure into gate

Don't you at least have to have them turned 'ON' to have a failure..? They didn't even have the aircraft properly configured to have brake pressure.
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