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Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:43 am

I just read in today's Toronto Sun that Jimmy Franklin & Bobby Younkin, both well known North American airshow performers, were killed in a mid-air collision during their routine at the Moose Jaw Airshow in Alberta. Does anyone find it horribly ironic that they named their team "Masters of Disaster"?
The TSB is supposed to be performing an investigation, but there's nothing on their site yet. What can they say anyway? It would seem someone made a slight error, & that's all it takes.
I saw Franklin perform at the National Capital Airshow in Ottawa in 1994 & it was stunning. That was before he strapped a jet engine to his Waco biplane.
Were any A.net folks there?
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:02 am

Just saw it in the news here in NL (RTL4). That was a massive crash, both planes plunged into the ground, no way to survive.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:55 am

I live in Saskatchewan, and saw Jimmy Franklin a few times in the past and he was an amazing pilot.
May him and Bobby Younkin Rest In Peace.
The name Masters of Disasters yes is an ironic name, but it did describe there show, how they almost defied disaster, and having such close passes and jaw dropping performances.
I saw the news footage of the accident, and it looks like one of the pilots just either turned the wrong way, or didn't change direction like the pilot coming up from below expected as he flew right into the other airplane.

Oh and Missed Approach I hate to harp on it, but Moose Jaw is in Saskatchewan, not Alberta. Just to correct you.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:30 am

http://www.whiotv.com/news/4709416/detail.htmlAirshow Pilots Killed Scheduled To Appear In Dayton

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/4708052/detail.html Caught On Tape: Deadly Airshow Crashes

http://www.ksntv.com/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=3392 Pilot Crash

I say Jimmy Franklin many years ago in S. Florida, and fell passionately in love with the "Waco Mystery" ship. They put on an incredible show, and it's VERY sad to seem them gone  Sad I hope they find peace.  tombstone 
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:54 am

I was able to see Jimmy and his Waco last year in the Abbotsford Air Show.
Something that amazed me was the mix of an old biplane with a jet engine attached to the bottom.

Here they are two pictures of the plane taken last year and a video of Jimmy's amazing aerial display:
http://www.zemultimedia.com/deanda/airshow/Jimmy01.jpg
http://www.zemultimedia.com/deanda/airshow/Jimmy02.jpg

http://www.zemultimedia.com/deanda/airshow/MOV02264.MPG

Rest in peace and my condolences to the families of both pilots

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:47 pm

Holy shit I am in shock. The first link I saw(somewhere else) said it was 2 WWI planes reenacting a dogfight in Canada. Then I clicked our links here and its Jimmy and Bobby, 2 performers I've seen countless times over the years. They were truly gifted aviators and this is a great loss that will reverberate thru the airshow community.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:03 pm

I saw Bobby last year.... that is very sad to hear about this tragedy... My deepest sympathies go to all of their families.
 
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:12 pm

I knew Jimmy Franklin, having met him, several times, when i was working for the Quebec Airshow. He was a gentleman, and a great pilot. He will be missed, as he was an inspiration to many pilots. It was always fun to watch him and his Waco.

I did not knew Bobby Younkin, though.

Blue Skies to Jim and Bobby, and condolences to their family and friends.   Yves.  Sad

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:19 pm

I've seen and met Jimmy a number of times during his appearances here at the Muskegon Air Fair. Completely insane, but also a hell of a nice guy.

Even though he wasn't schedule to be in Muskegon this year, the fact he's been here so many times and the fact that he was schedule for sister show in Dayton, I'm sure there will be some sorts of tributes next weekend.

There are alot of things that could be said about Jimmy. Anyone who straps a jet onto a Waco biplane likely has a few screws loose, but that's what made him entertaining.

At least he died doing what he loved to do.
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:21 pm

Jimmy and his jet propelled Waco were one of the best civilian performances I've ever seen at an air show. Condolences to both families on their great losses.


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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:35 pm

This is a sad loss, indeed.

It reminds me of when the French Connection team died (Daniel Héligoin and Montaine Mallet), during a training accident, back in 2000. I knew them well also...  Sad

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:29 pm

Just realizing that some may not recognize the name of Bobby Younkin, he is the guy who did a full aerobatic routine in a Learjet 23. Black with a red stripe and smoke cans. Caught him at Lakeland in 2004 doing it and man was that impressive.
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:11 pm

Sad story. Anyone know what type of Waco this was? And the plane it crashed with? One source called it a "Samson" but it looked like a Pitts to me.
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:02 pm

That is really terrible. But I really think that the risk for accidents at airshows is way out of proportion, when you look at, how many severe accidents there have occurred at airshows (worst one ever was Ramstein 88, I guess). It might be that there are many different reasons, but I think that even more efforts should be made to minimise the risks.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Miles_mechanic (Reply 2):
Moose Jaw is in Saskatchewan

Sorry. I knew I was going to catch it for that, but I noticed it too late! Guess I was thinking of Medicine Hat for some reason.
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I finally saw the footage later & they weren't even on opposite headings, just coverging courses (maybe 30 degrees or so). I mentioned that I saw Jim before, I was really impressed with his inverted flat spin. He had loads of power on that plane without the jet engine.I also saw Les Shockley's jet trucks before (he's the fourth member of the team).
I agree that there is some inherent danger in airshow routines just due to the proximity of the planes & the manouvers, but the performers are highly experienced. I'm guessing that the accidents stand out because there are so many witnesses when one occurs. Ramstein was the worst, of course.
The guys in Moose Jaw must be in disbelief, they just had a big crash not far from there when two of the Snowbirds collided during a practice session, back in December.
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:31 am

I was at Saturday's airshow in Moose Jaw and really enjoyed the Waco bi-plane and the Masters Of Disasters display. Fantastic show!! Sad to think that 24 hours later they would die during the same display. They will be missed.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:02 am

There has been reactionary rhetoric of banning all airshows. It is VERY important to point out that, when the absolute worst happens in the US and Canada, spectators are never in danger. This has evrything to do with ICAS and the ACE program.

What happened at Ramstein will never happen in the US or Canada. EVERYONE in the airshow industry is commited to spectator safety. The effort put forth by the entire airshow industry to ensure safety of the public cannot be underestimated. If a pilot acts irresponsibly, he will be immediately grounded. Trust me, I know.

You are safer at an airshow in the US or Canada than you are at an auto race.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting Skaggs (Reply 16):
spectators are never in danger.

Oh, absolutely. The only spectator fatality I can remember at a Canadian airshow was also in Ottawa- but only because someone took shelter under an ungrounded airplane during a lightning storm.
Sadly they are talking about ending airshows at Moose Jaw now, but hopefully it's just a knee-jerk reaction that will die out as time passes.
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:49 pm

I was at the airshow and saw it live. It was a really difficult thing to witness. Everyone thought that somehow it was part of the show but soon realized that it wasn't. There was an Erie silence that fell over the crowd and the airboss soon after cancelled the show.

It was such an amazing show up untill that point and I still can't believe what happened. I'm actually suffering mild shock and my stress level is very high.

Thank-fully they crashed away from the crowd and no-one else was hurt. It's a part of being a pilot every time you start the engine you know you might not shut it off. I have a deep respect for the MOD who will preform as early as next weekend.
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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Skaggs (Reply 16):
There has been reactionary rhetoric of banning all airshows. It is VERY important to point out that, when the absolute worst happens in the US and Canada, spectators are never in danger. This has evrything to do with ICAS and the ACE program.

Well, yes they are at risk. Displays and rules are designed so that the consequences of an accident reduce the risk to a minimum level. It is not a guarantee though and what about people outside the main spectator area, people travelling on nearby roads or local residents? No-one can guarantee exactly where wreckage will come down, no matter what.

You are right that it is important not to give in to this reactionary rhetoric - you could reduce car accident fatalities to zero by banning cars, but somehow I don't think that would happen, even though more people are killed and injured in cars every day, than at airshows. In fact you are at more risk travelling to and from the airshow - I know, it happened to me (but we made it through and the days photos were safe and uploaded to Airliners.net)!

Airshows will always have some inherent risk to life because everything we do in life does - including walking down stairs. If the risks are being managed correctly then there is no reason why airshows in Canada and particularly at Moose Jaw should not be allowed to continue.

Pilots are lost every year and its so sad. Who are we going to lose next year and the year after that? It WILL happen. But it is a risk they are willing take and feel they can control as best they can. I for one, thank them for that, so that we can marvel at their displays which give us so much pleasure and make our lives a richer, more enjoyable experience. Life is for living and that means exposing ourselves to some risk, no matter how small.

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RE: Crash, Moose Jaw Airshow, 11 July 05

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting Skaggs (Reply 16):
There has been reactionary rhetoric of banning all airshows. It is VERY important to point out that, when the absolute worst happens in the US and Canada, spectators are never in danger. This has evrything to do with ICAS and the ACE program.

Thats interesting, can you tell me more about that? Ramstein was an US airbase, so it was actually the US responsible for safety at that time. Did the rules change after that accident, or have they always been stricter in the US than for US airbases abroad?

Obviously people have learned from that, safety standards are very high at all airshows, which really is a good thing...

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