rapo
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Airliners At Airshows?

Thu Apr 27, 2000 10:09 am

Why don't we see more airliners and large military aircraft flying at airshows. I've been going to the Quonset Point Airshow for more than ten years and each year they have a C5A, KC-10 & KC-135 - none of which take to the air during the show. Granted, this particular show is free but I'd be willing to pay to see an A-330 do a hot takeoff. I just don't want to have to fly to the Paris Airshow to do it (someday though?). Anybody agree?

 
DeltaRNOmd-80
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Thu Apr 27, 2000 12:50 pm

I agree. I live in Fallon, NV, home of Top Gun's pilot training facility. We have an airshow every year but i dont usually go because i want to see airliners. They usually have fighter jets (f-5, f-15,f-16,f-18) and some older biplanes. They also have the C-5 Galaxy and a couple of tankers. I would be willing to pay to go to an airshow to see some airliners take off.
 
dc10
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Thu Apr 27, 2000 3:43 pm

Hi, I went in Paris Air show in 1995, and theire was a lot of civil aircrafts; the day I went (the salon lasted 1 week, and each day the presentation is different), I saw an Aer Lingus A330 making a wonderful presentation, and the ATR-42&72 family making an impressive "grouped" take-off. If you go to such a big salon (or Farnborough), you will see wonderful presentations, but maybe not in smaller one.
By the way, I asked to myself if Aer Lingus had reduction on the price of the A330: doing such "dangerous" presentation (full throttle...) should "damage" the plane a little bit, shouldn't it?
Hopes this help!
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Thu Apr 27, 2000 3:52 pm

No intent to gloat here, but you've never actually lived untill you've seen 4 KC-10's in tight formation with booms and hose drogues extended. I used to have a shot of it, but i lost it. Saw it at Richards Gebauer AFb, around 1992-ish. wow.
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exnonrev
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 12:14 am

There are more military heavies and commercial aircraft participating in airshows than you might think. UPS and FedEx have both been very active over the past few years providing static displays at military (much of their fleets are committed to CRAF) and civilian airshows. Occasionally they even have a fly-by. I saw a FedEx 727 do one at Ft.Worth Alliance back in 1996. When I looked in the viewfinder to get a shot, It turned out to be none other than N217FE, the last 727 built. AA has their 757/767 maintenance base at AFW and they usually have one of the two on display.

You're more likely to see the military heavies fly at places like Travis, Dover, McGuire, Scott, RAF Brize Norton and other airlift bases. The USAF has had a C-17 demonstration making the rounds for the last few years and they put on a pretty good show. The highlight (they don't always do it) is when they do a short-field landing, powerback to the end of the runway and take off again.

I know Continental usually brings a 737 to the show at Cleveland Burke Lakefront and I think Southwest has one at the DAL show every year.


 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 12:53 am

Last year Oshkosh Air Event had lots of civilian aircraft as well. I've walked thru Connie and UPS' 727-100, and had a seat in captains chair, and even small presentation on new TCAS system that is currently being tested by selected/cargo carriers.

They also had daily flights/rides on Ford Trimotor, and Connie.

This year, they will have Concorde again on the show, with daily flights; you'll even have a seat on a short subsonic flight for some $800. Oh well, at it will nice to see it around.
 
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You See Them Here Every Year...

Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:13 am

Every year Louisville starts the Kentucky Derby Festivities with one of the largest firework shows in the world. We have an airshow on the same day, where mainly military aircraft are presented, doing all kinds of low fly-bys and demonstrations; this year we had the B1, B2, F117, F15, F18, P51 and a German Tornado (just to mention a few). All aircraft activity is over the Ohio River infront of downtown Louisville, great show. Well, as a new sponsor, UPS stepped up and sure enough had a B727, B767(Panda Colors) and a B747(Olympic Colors) do low fly-bys. I took some pictures and tried to get them on AIRLINERS.NET, but was unsuccessful doing so, I think I will have to rescan them; anyway, anybody interested in seeing these pics, just let me know. The UPS planes were by far the best of the entire show.

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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:30 am

Luckly I live very close to the farnborough (spelling?) airshow. I can drive there in about an hour. While there I can see a lot of airlines go up into the air. There also are a lot on the ground.

I think one reason they don't go to smaller airshows is the economics. Boeing and Airbus aren't bringing planes because they don't have potentional customers coming and the airlines probably don't think its worth it taking a plane out of service for a small show.
 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:47 am

I went to Farnborough two years ago. There were quite a few civilian airplane demonstrations but the most spectacular by far was the A-330-200. With the fly-buy-wire protection system they took full advantage of being able to use the full flight envelope. It was really amazing.

I have since had the honour to meet one of the Airbus display pilots that did the Farnborough display that year. it was fascinating to talk to him. Apparently the thing the display pilots worry about most is an engine failure. Not because of the normal performance reduction but rather because of the fact that they fly at such low speeds and have full power on both engines that if one fails the plane will roll over on it's back (speed < Vmca) unless the power of the good engine is reduced immediately. That tells you something about the excess power of the A-330-200 (even though they do fly the plane nearly empty for the display of course). This pilot furthermore alleged that Boeing stopped flying on major airhows because they simply cannot match the performance (slow speed, max.climb etc) of the Airbus safely. True or not, you decide, but Boeing hasn't been flying at major shows at all lately....


 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 5:35 am

Does anyone have any info of what will be performing at Farnborough this year? Will there be any good static a/c like there was in '98 (Thai 777)?
 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 7:14 am

I've never seen airliners at an airshow in Belgium. It would be nice to see some, but I think the companies still have in their minds the A320 crash at Habscheim a few years ago. They won't risk another on 'simple' airshows (?)
 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 7:15 am

I used to go to the Abbotsford Airshow each year near Vancouver, BC in Canada. Although this is one of the biggest airshows in the world (they claim it is) there usually aren't a lot of commercial airliners. They always have a lot of military stuff, F14, F16, CF-18, B2, A-10, and they had migs back in 1991 that were amazing. 1991 was the best year ever. They have had the F-117 and the huge russian freighter, An224 I think.

But as for airliners, they usually only have 1 per day. They fly one out from YVR for an hour or so and it does a high speed flyby, a couple of sharp banking turns, a dirty pass, a touch and go, another flyby and off it goes to Honolulu or somewhere. I have seen the Canadian Airlines 747-400, DC10-30, 767-300 as well as Air Canada A340 and A320 over the years. I also wish I could see more of these at airshows.

 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 12:22 pm

I live in hamilton ontario Canada and I have been going to the hamilton airshow for 15 years and they always have a fedex 727 do a display they have on on the ground and on do and air display I dont know if you consider this and airliner but its good I have seen a Canadian 767 once before too
 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sat Apr 29, 2000 10:13 pm

Seen the photos here on airliners.net and realized that the past Abbotsford Airshows (BC, Canada) are really great with those An-225, Concorde, etc. etc. But last year (1999) I went there and I got disappointed... the only airliner there was the ICC A300... and I had to wait for soooo long until that Air Canada A340 buzzes in.

Two years ago the Zhuhai Airshow of China is quite good, I think better than Abbotsford 99. It has A330-200 in house livery and Ilyushin-78 (tanker version of Il-76) on display as well as the Chinese-made Jian-8. Su-27 and the Il-78 do a air-refuel and low pass at the same time.

Abbotsford could have been better.
 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sun Apr 30, 2000 8:52 am

I actually live in Farnborogh and so get to see virtually all the airliner displays. Particularly memorable was the A300 Fly By Wire test aircraft at the 1986 show. It was the first FBW airliner in the world and it was amazing to see it do high Alpha flypasts and climbouts, previously only aver seen on F-16's etc. Fokker and SAAB have also put on good displays in the past. In 1988 McDonnell Douglas brought their MD-90 UHB, an MD80 with a pusher tuboprop where the port JT8D normally is. It sounded like a Beech King Air at full throttle. Of course, the most dramatic large civillian plane ever displayed was the Antonov An-225 in 1990.

In 1984 a DHC-5 Buffalo crashed on landing at the show, fortunately without injury to the crew.
In 1994 the Il-96 nearly took out the Swan Public House near the runway threshold as he got too low on his approach in really bad weather. I know, bwcause I was standing at The Swan at the time!
 
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Sun Apr 30, 2000 11:54 pm

You guys are lucky I got the Dallas Airshow, crap there isn't any spotters here. So we get like an Extra-100 or whatever and he does tricks then there are helicopters, they had a c-5 galaxy and thats ok but it just sat there and didnt move. the best part about it is since its at DAL you get to go on the tarmac and taxiways so you can see the southwest planes from the other side of the airport.
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RE: Airliners At Airshows?

Mon May 01, 2000 3:44 am

Hey AA61Hvy, you're in Texas - get to Odessa for the Confederate's Show - great vintage stuff, including the odd airliner (C-47, C-46 etc). I went to the 1981 Airshow when it was still held at Harlingen and it was great. Harlingen was, and still is, I assume, the main airport for Brownsville so there was a lot of airliner activity as well - Southwest 737 (200's in those days) and Braniff 727's (sigh!).