jafa39
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Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:36 pm

Ok, flame proof gear on but i am asking in innocence.

This morning I picked up a group of 30 Poms off of NZ1 LHR-LAX-AKL, the group is 4 adults and 26x16-18 yr old kids.

As they checked in at LHR one of the kids turns out to have the same name as someone on the USA "Terrorist List", he is 16 but they searched his bags anyway, in his bag he had a gas cooker, the lightweight sort that you use whilst camping, it has been used a fair bit but they took it off him and then searched his mate's bags saying that used gas cookers were not permitted in the USA, the kids countered by explaining that it isn't illegal in NZ and will be in a plastic box, in a suitcase, in a 744 cargo hold but no, the security dudes took as many away as they could find, saying that the combustion residue (Soot) was a banned substance in the US.

First question:
If you can carbon wash a jet engine in the USA and as we know a jet engine is fairly similar (don't get technical on me people, I have been up since 4 am) to a huge gas or other camping cooker and must produce similar (probably nastier) residues, why can't you transport a gas cooker through in a jumbo, also what do Americans do, buy a new cooker each time????????????

Then, apparently the deal in LAX transit is that you have to be photographed and fingerprinted even if you are in transit and surely not technically through immigration (you sign a waiver)

Second question:

Does US law, or the law of any country in which a transit lounge is situated, prevail?

Third question:

Would an American citizen in transit in the UK expect the protection of American law?

Not trying to bash the yanks, I would have asked the same questions if this had happened in Johannesburg or Maastricht or anywhere.

Just seems daft to me and i was under the impression that either Pommie or Kiwi requirements applied to the contents of the cargo hold if the pax are in transit.

Jafa
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N77014
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RE: Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:37 am

Transit lounge or otherwise, you are subject to the laws of the nation upon whose soil you are on.
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aussieindc
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RE: Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
Then, apparently the deal in LAX transit is that you have to be photographed and fingerprinted even if you are in transit and surely not technically through immigration (you sign a waiver)

Since 9/11, everyone transiting through any US gateway needs to go through immigration and security. The same happens when AC operates SYD-HNL-YVR etc. It's adds a lot of time onto the journey but it's all in the name of US National Security.
 
AsstChiefMark
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RE: Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:46 am

There could be residue on the camp stove that could be harbouring loads of critters. It could also have raw meat residue on it. In either case, I'd think the USDA beagles would smell it at LAX.



It's one of those strange laws. Like the one that says it's illegal to sell a used mattress. But it's OK to give one away for free.

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geoffm
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RE: Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
Would an American citizen in transit in the UK expect the protection of American law?

You'd be under British law - but you have the best of both worlds if you do anything naughty. Some pairs of countries have reciprocal laws (or sometimes just one way) which allow your country of citizenship to arrest and try you for crimes committed abroad. One good example is Americans getting arrested for kiddy fiddling in Asia - even when the said country does not arrest you themselves. I think the UK has a similar law. http://www.worldvision.org/worldvisi...ususfo.nsf/stable/globalissues_stp

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jafa39
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RE: Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 2):
Since 9/11, everyone transiting through any US gateway needs to go through immigration and security.

When i emigrated to NZ in may 2003 we didn't do any of that, just straight into transit (there were hoods..I mean security guys...about). but no finger printing, just a straight forward in, watch The Simpsons and out.

However...Feb 2003 was a different story, look out for a trip report on that soon!!

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'd think the USDA beagles would smell it at LAX.

Do the beagles go in the hold? As I mentioned, the stove was in checked luggage and wouldn't see the light of day until AKL.

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 4):
Some pairs of countries have reciprocal laws

Ah, now that makes sense! Judging from the Shapelle Corby case, this doesn't include Bali and Australia.
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jjbiv
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RE: Which Laws Govern Transit Lounges.

Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:05 pm

The problem with gas stoves is that they last contained combustible fuel and by extension are considered dangerous goods. I believe the standards for what constitutes a D.G. are fairly standardized across the world, however enforcement is usually haphazard.

joe

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