Alitalia744
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DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:10 pm

in this picture, there clearly are two different heights for overhead bins in the center section. If you look at the foreground portion of coach, the bins are signficantly lower than the forward section, anyone know why?


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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:20 pm

I really hate to tell you this. but it is because the front ones are open and the back ones are closed. You might want to delete this now before the flaming starts.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:24 pm

Yea, it does look like they are different. I never noticed it before.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:28 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 1):
I really hate to tell you this. but it is because the front ones are open and the back ones are closed. You might want to delete this now before the flaming starts.

I hate to tell you this, but they are clearly at a different height. It's not about being closed or open. you may want to relook before making ignorant comments.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:30 pm

I have been on 5 DL 777's in person, they are not different, it is a camera angle, bad lighting or because they are open. The photo editing is perhaps ignorant however.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:32 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
I hate to tell you this, but they are clearly at a different height. It's not about being closed or open. you may want to relook before making ignorant comments.

At least he was trying to be polite about it... which is more than I can say for you.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:38 pm

Maybe I'm wrong, but perhaps the overhead crew rest areas DL installed are there?

Just looks like they're at different heights...the aircraft is in the new config, maybe? i dunno

if i'm wrong. sorry
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:39 pm

That is bizarre. I work in the world of digital publishing, so I am farely used to analyzing and editing digital photos. None of those bins over the center seats are open, but some clearly curve differently so as not to extend into the cabin. My first thought was that it gives the illusion that center bins from a new 767 with Signature interior were installed in a 777 by accident (before someone foolishly decides to tell me why that would never be possible, i did only say that it "gives the illusion.")

I know all too well that one can never trust a digital image, but this one does not show signs of being altered and does seem to show strangely disparate bins.

What is going on in this photo? Does Boeing offer bins in two different capacities for the 777, in addition to the option of no center bins?
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:40 pm

I definately noticed that difference earlier. There is a difference or a crazy optical allusion. Any answers as to why?
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:43 pm

it's just bad photo editing. Apparently the standards for pictures are getting worse since Jetphotos.net accepts all kinds of crap these days.


They are the same, really I have been on the plane.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:51 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 9):
it's just bad photo editing. Apparently the standards for pictures are getting worse since Jetphotos.net accepts all kinds of crap these days.

Please elaborate on what sort of "bad editing" you believe to be causing such a clear difference in bin extension from the ceiling.

Like I said, I am something of an expert in digital photo editing. I have edited thousands of photos in the most ethical of ways and the most unethical of ways (once again, before anyone chooses to read my profile and attack me based on my age, I worked for and became exectuive editor of one of the top ten highschool publications in the nation and now, in college, work for a large daily circulation newspaper doing the same sort of work). This would have to be a very calculated, deliberate edit by a very skilled individual. A change in the depth of those bins would involve hours of work and could not just happen accidently.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:51 pm

I guess upon further investigation, it might just be the shadows/shade. From far away it blends together to look normal... Also, it can't be the above crew rest, because that would be way farther up front in Biz elite on the 777. There was a thread showing the storage bin change on a MD11 for the crew rest, but this appears to not be the case.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:52 pm

Didn't delta install the new Boeing crew rest areas in the Crown of the 777? I know they've been offered for a few years but only a few company's use them...KLM comes to mind....most use convential cargohold ones.

The point is...if there is a crew rest area squeezed up there it may explain the change...as this photo is obviously taken from the back of the aircraft.

Also guys look at the PSU..... if these where opened, the back of the bins would not line up flushly with them... they'd be deeper down...see the open unit in the forward of the cabin...

The other point to note is look at the very beggining of the section in question. There is a small stip, a few inches wide, that is in the shpe of a bin but can't be opened...as if to say..this is a new section starting and this is excess space we are either filling or using for cables etc.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:57 pm

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 10):
A change in the depth of those bins would involve hours of work and could not just happen accidently.

Because the photo is not accurate. the shadow or angle (perhaps editing is not a good term) is not correct.

I think the favorite reject line should be used here "Bad Motive"
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:57 pm

They definitely are at a different height. Here's a pic of the same plane, same section (behind the biz seats), but from the front. If you look at the large size, in the upper left corner, you can see the difference.


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My guess is that there's something up there that necessitates the lower bins. What it is, I don't know.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:58 pm

I don't think its an illusion. The bins are diffinetly different sizes. Even the curvature of the bins up front is different from those in the rear.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 12):
The point is...if there is a crew rest area squeezed up there it may explain the change...as this photo is obviously taken from the back of the aircraft.

I would think the crew rest area would be toward the front of the aircraft. Additionally, those overhead bins would be bigger, not smaller to compensate for the added area like on the MD11.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:01 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 15):
don't think its an illusion. The bins are diffinetly different sizes. Even the curvature of the bins up front is different from those in the rear.

They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 17):
They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.

Get of the ganja, man. LOOK at the pictures. BOTH of them.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 17):
They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.

Get off the ganja, man. LOOK at the pictures. BOTH of them.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:06 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13):
Because the photo is not accurate. the shadow or angle (perhaps editing is not a good term) is not correct.

I hate to have to correct you, but the photo was clearly taken with the aid of a fairly powerful fill flash. The head of the flash was slightly above the lowest point of the aft, lower section of bins, creating a conspicuous shadow that can be seen, formed as would be expected, just a bit as it expands on the surface of the higher center bins to the front, as well as straight across the bins down the left side of the aircraft. No shadow is out of place in this photo. The angle from which it was taken is similar to hundreds of 777 interior shots in the database. There is a physical difference in the bins. Below are the original shot and a similar shot from an AA bird. The AA 777 displays a continuity that just isn't there on the DL.


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Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 17):
They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.

Seriously, and with all due respect, the only "insanity" in this topic comes from you. Every other member who has responded can see clear differences from the two different angles that have now been shown of this same aircraft. Some have provided possible theories. I have explained why I am positive of this photo's accuracy from a technical standpoint and will be glad to analyze the other image for you as well. What more do you want, 1MillionFlyer?

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:07 pm

They are not the same size, DL refitted their 777's with the overhead crew rest and I am sure that it is located right there. I have seen the same thing in several other pictures
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:09 pm

If it truly is the crew rest, how/where do you access it? There doesn't seem to be any sign of a ladder in the picture down the aisles.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:12 pm

Quoting PDXtriple7 (Reply 22):
If it truly is the crew rest, how/where do you access it? There doesn't seem to be any sign of a ladder in the picture down the aisles.

The ladder is concealed form passenger view behind a door near lavs or a galley if I remember correctly. It would certainly not be visible in these photos or most any other.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:13 pm

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 20):
I have explained why I am positive of this photo's accuracy from a technical standpoint and will be glad to analyze the other image for you as well. What more do you want, 1MillionFlyer?

I am sorry to report the pictures above are not helping.

One is from DL, one is from AA. Have you been on a DL 777? The bins are the same, really. the photo has a shadow or bad angle. they are all the same size.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:15 pm

There is a galley right behind that section and the ladder/stairs are hidden in the galley so that pax cannot access it.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:17 pm

Here is some info from Boeing regarding the overhead crew rest.

Six- or seven-bunk flight attendant rest at door 3, available on the 777-200ER and 777-200LR....

....The six-bunk attendant rest station, which is available on the 777-200ER and 777-200LR, can be accessed from stairs located at door 3 in the mid-section of the airplane....


And here's something somewhat unrelated but interesting nonetheless:

Boeing continues to study ways to use the overhead space for additional storage opportunities. For example, airlines can now choose an innovative option that stores food and beverage carts directly above the passenger cabin rather than on the main deck, further maximizing main-deck space for revenue generating seats.

Door 3 would be right behind this section, so it must be a crew rest.

Source: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_osu.html
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:19 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 24):
I am sorry to report the pictures above are not helping.

One is from SA)">DL, one is from SA)">AA. Have you been on a SA)">DL 777? The bins are the same, really. the photo has a shadow or bad angle. they are all the same size.

I was actually referring to a view from the front facing to the rear of the SAME exact aircraft. FlyingNanook offered it earlier to help you. I offered the SA)">AA example as a way of showing what it would look like if the bins were continuous in depth. No, I have not been on a SA)">DL 777, but I have been on one that did not have changing bin depths (AA) and I can see from the photos that this SA)">DL example does. How would two photos taken from two different spots, by two different photographers with two different cameras CLEARLY show the same obvious result? There is no bad shadow or angle as I have said before. I don't mean to be rude but I don't believe you bring the same technical expertise in examinig these photos as I do. Please stop trying to tell me and the rest of the members that an anomoly exists here when it does not.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:19 pm

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/jpetek/delta.jpg


Just explain the level of the center console then, 1millionflyer.


You're wrong.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:22 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 24):
I am sorry to report the pictures above are not helping.

One is from DL, one is from AA. Have you been on a DL 777? The bins are the same, really. the photo has a shadow or bad angle. they are all the same size.

Before you go attacking someone, remember that DL just recently (Within the last year or so) had their 777's refitted to include the crew rest for their flights to NRT.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:23 pm

Thank you, JpetekYXMD80. I was considering a similar demonstration but decided it was too late.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:26 pm

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 30):
Thank you, JpetekYXMD80. I was considering a similar demonstration but decided it was too late

That is 2 rows only...if you have never been on the plane, get on one first then get back to me.

Quoting Broncoguy (Reply 29):
Before you go attacking someone, remember that DL just recently (Within the last year or so) had their 777's refitted to include the crew rest for their flights to NRT.

The crew rest is nowhere near that area. And how s asking someone if they have been on the plane attacking them? it is late maybe a few too many drinks have been flowing in Anet land?

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:27 pm

That is door 3 area, and that is where the 6 bunk crew rest would be located on a 772ER. The stairs go up in the door 3 hallway/galley/lav area, and 3 bunks are forward of the stairs, 3 bunks are aft of the stairs. You are likely seeing the effects. The bins can no longer disappear into the crown, they most open more on a traditional hinge to fit the crew rest.

Delta had one delivery in 2002 of a 777, the rest in 1999, and this might be the 2002 plane, as even though B wasn't offering it yet, a third party was.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 31):

That is 2 rows only...if you have never been on the plane, get on one first then get back to me.

Being on the aircraft obviously hasn't helped you much, buddy. If you read other people that actually know what they're talking about on here, you will see that IS the proper place for the crew rest area.

Just cause youve been on a plane shouldn't be a reason to negate common sense.

It could be some wacky visual phenomenon that cant be explained
....or you could just be wrong.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:30 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
Delta had one delivery in 2002 of a 777, the rest in 1999, and this might be the 2002 plane, as even though B wasn't offering it yet, a third party was.

Those planes are older for sure. I sat in the bulhead Aisle seat from CVG-CDG last year. The center bins are normal size forward of that bulkhead
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:30 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 31):
That is 2 rows only...if you have never been on the plane, get on one first then get back to me.

Honestly, what are you talking about? Two rows of what? There is a difference here and everyone can see it but you. It has been explained from so many different points of view and in technical terms.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 31):
The crew rest is nowhere near that area.

See Ikramerica's response. It is in precisely the place one would expect to find the cabin crew rest area. They are not in the very rear as in the 744.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 26):
....The six-bunk attendant rest station, which is available on the 777-200ER and 777-200LR, can be accessed from stairs located at door 3 in the mid-section of the airplane....

This would be the area that they are in... Biz class takes up the area between doors one and two and four rows in back of door two. then there is a section of economy a galley and then more econ. unless someone stuck a galley in the middle of the airplane with out telling anyone then the larger bins would be located just in front of the galley at door three.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 31):
The crew rest is nowhere near that area.

That is where the cabin crew rest is according to info from Boeing. The flight crew rest is up front.



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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 34):
The center bins are normal size forward of that bulkhead

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/jpetek/delta.jpg

really, thats intersting

just look at those lines a drew in
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:35 pm

Once again, DL just in the last year or so refitted the planes to include this. So just because you sat in an aisle seat last year doesn't mean that the plane didn't get refitted since then
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:35 pm

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 37):
That is where the cabin crew rest is according to info from Boeing. The flight crew rest is up front.

Get on the plane and tell me then, unbeleivable. Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:37 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 40):
Get on the plane and tell me then, unbeleivable. Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it.

They ARE lower. The area closest to the camera is where the crew rest is. All your stubbornness and denial. Who gives a shit if you've been on the plane...LOOK at the picture. Its indisputable visual evidence...which everyone here can see but you.
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:38 pm

the bins closer to the photographer are LOWER than all the other ones. Open your eyes and look. All the bins past that point are higher in the ceiling.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:38 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 40):
Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it.

The rest area is supposed to be located in the aft area of the section between doors 2 and 3. These photos show LOWER bins in the aft section of that portion of the cabin. Now you are just contradicting yourself looking for an explanation for what everyone else already knows is not true. Look at the facts and posts again.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:40 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 40):
Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it.

I agree, that's why the back bins are lower. What a concept!
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:42 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 40):
Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it.

So you just admitted theres a difference?
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:42 pm

This is hilarious, I cant decide if 1millionflyer is blind or just stupid.
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 43):
The rest area is supposed to be located in the aft area of the section between doors 2 and 3. These photos show LOWER bins in the aft section of that portion of the cabin. Now you are just contradicting yourself looking for an explanation for what everyone else already knows is not true. Look at the facts and posts again.

Give it up. I have been on the plane you have never set foot on a DL 777. please stop the senseless attack.

YES those 2 rows of center bins are HIGHER (Smaller) the rest of the plane is not that way.

Next time do a google search or go to the Boeing webiste and find out for yourself.

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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:45 pm

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 45):
So you just admitted theres a difference?

I know, I love it! LOL. 1MillionFlyer can't cling to the fact that he's been on the plane and KNOWS there can't be a difference, so he concedes the difference that "wasn't there" moments ago and then just claims it can't be for the crew rest?

This is my laugh for the week. Or month. I can't decide. Thanks, 1MillionFlyer!
 
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RE: DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:45 pm

You were on the plane before it was refitted with the crew rest. so...


Please stop being stupid and open your eyes and look, the bins are lower