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Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:16 am

Reforma Newspaper, Sunday 17 2005

[i]"Quiere Dubai estar más cerca"[i]

[i]La propuesta de abrir un vuelo directo entre México y Dubai...fueron las principales negociaciones que hizo Rodolfo Elizondo Torres de la Secretaría de Turismo durante su visita a los Emirates Arabes Unidos.[i]

So the article basically says that there is a proposal for a flight between MEX and DXB after the signature of a bilateral agreement for routes between this 2 countries. This comes after the visit of Rodolfo Elizondo Torres (Mexican Secretary of Tourism) to the UAE. This agreement was signed with the support of Mohammed A.Ahli director of the Civil Aviation Department of the Arab nation.

If this agreement is accepted, Emirates will start flying to Mexico in a direct flight.

Elizondo also said that TLC or QET will be used instead of MEX due to limited capacity.


So, IMHO QET or TLC are really not gonna happen. But OTOH seeing EK at MEX would really be amazing. But I really don't know if there's the traffic for such a route. A stop somewhere would make sense.


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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:22 am

Emirated to MEX? I really believe a weekly or 2 weekly flights is possible. Alot of Middle Easterners have businesses in Mexico City. But then doesnt Emirates wanna fly everywhere???  Smile
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:24 am

Interesting news, given the distance involved I guess the route would go to the A345 (8914 miles according to great circle). A different thread on here says that EK are about to take delivery of their 9th A345 airframe soon, with the 10th to follow.
However, great circle also shows that YYZ lies right underneath the DXB-MEX route!
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:30 am

Isnt Emirates going to start service to Brazil and Argentina soon? Its good to see that they are looking into Latin America. A profitable market is possible there. I think Emirates will be the first airline from the middle east to fly into Latin America and especially Mexico.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:36 am

Makes sense, EK wants to be a global carrier, connecting cities worldwide, so why not Mexico City - one of the biggest cities in the world. Also think oil, Mexico is a major oil producing nation, there are probably business and other connections between Mexico and the Gulf. With EK, one must "think outside of the box", their aim is to be the world's airline, not simply Dubai's airline, and their aim is to connect cities worldwide, not just offer service to and from Dubai. And since EK has very adequate resources, they have the ability to take chances with routes that other airlines would not even begin to consider, and have the time to let traffic on a particular route grow and develop. EK looking at opening a route to Mexico City does not surprise at all - I would not be surprised if EK would commence service to MEX with a 4 or 5 times per week service quickly expanding to daily service - be serious, who thought that EK would be going double daily on the JFK-DXB route so quickly?

My question is can MEX-DXB be flown on a nonstop basis......does the A345 have the range for that flight out of hot and high MEX? If not, I wonder what route would be flown - would EK operate via a European city, or maybe a US city? EK wants to get into IAD - could we see something like MEX-IAD-DXB?

While I must admit that I continue to be skeptical concerning EK's massive expansion plans and still cannot figure out what they will do with all of those A380s, EK certainly does keep things interesting.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:41 am

Is EK subsidized by the UAE? They are aggressively moving into all of these new markets - Dubai to South America? Dubai to Mexico? Is the draw the Dubai that great, especially with a messy war taking place a few hundred miles to the North? Do travelers need visas to go there?

I understand that yes there is traffic to DXB and it is high yielding...but I can't help but think UAE is subsidizing these flights with oil money, in which case every time the price of oil goes up, EK can launch a new flight (that was sarcasm folks).
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:56 am

with EK getting all of those A380s, wonder if they could start a direct service using such jumbo. Honestly i see a A345 witha stop maybe in Europe. If i dont remember correctly i think Singapore was looking to sart service into MEX via MAD. Wonder if Emirates can look something into DXB-MAD-MEX? Should be interesting though to see if a route can be worked out.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:00 am

BigGSFO,
EK is not subsidised by the UAE as a country. Instead it is subsidised/underwritten/financially sweetened/bank rolled/funded (*delete as appropriate) by the government of Dubai. Dubai gets some money from Oil, but a lot from international trade. This is unlike Abu Dhabi for example which gets the vast majority of its income from oil.
As for the war, this has no affect, except in peoples minds prehaps. I visited, and my father worked in the UAE during the first Gulf war and you had no idea what was going on 400 miles away in Kuwait at the time.
As for visa's, UK passport holders do not need one but I'm unsure about anyone else. I guess these days many more people transit DXB than actually go through immigration.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:13 am

Now, that is a long flight. I think the A345 is the one and only candidate.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:19 am

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 3):
Isnt Emirates going to start service to Brazil and Argentina soon?

Yes, at least on their "wish list", but it's status is unknown.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:33 am

Is the JFK the only city EK serves in the US? Surprised they havent looked into LAX, ORD, etc...
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:43 am

 drool  I am so fed up with with these sensationalized stories about foriegn airlines set to break new grounds in Mexico. This is so typical of Mexico. Nothing but talks and rumors. Last year I heard about Korean Air flying to MEX, then Mexicana flying to Japan and then on to Bangkok in the near future? I really believe that they are just trying to fill their newspaper with exotic stories as these. And I am wondering if the UAE government only did this just so that the Mexican dignitary visiting had something seriously ceremonial to do while in UAE. If you've been to Mexico, you know there is just no market for EK at all. How many Mexicans travel to the Middle East, to be honest?

It is true that there is a significant Lebanese population throughout Mexico, but Air France has had a monopoly on these passengers. The last time I visited Air France office in Mexico City, there were 3 separate groups of clients coming to pay for their tickets to Beirut. Air France also niches on Chinese refugees who seek asylum in Mexico too. I do MEX-CDG-MEX quite often and, with similar frequency, I see Chinese passengers escorted to the airplane for CDG-MEX leg. This is why they have increased CDG-MEX-CDG from 7flights/week to 11 flights per week. For me it's just plain old "whatever."  banghead 
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:12 am

I read a few minutes ago the article in the newspaper and I think that we should not read it as a forecast but rather as a sign that the tourism authorities of Mexico are working hard to promote Mexico City as a destination of major global carriers. There are some points I would like to raise. Firstly, as Alonso mentions, I don't believe QRO or TLC would be a good idea. It really has to be MEX. I cannot see EK launching this route successfully without codesharing with a Mexican carrier in routes like MEX-MTY, MEX-GDL, MEX-SJD and MEX-CUN. Flying into TLC or QRO would mean lost connecting opportunities. And I do appreciate that MEX cannot take many more new flights, but this is a flight that simply wouldn't work if routed to an alternate airport (unlike Air Madrid's MAD-TLC for example). Second, I guess that the A345 would be the only viable carrier but it would still be penalized weight-wise on the MEX-DXB route (even more if flying from TLC). Maybe a stop in CUN could solve the problem. Third, I am not sure if flying via YYZ or MAD would be possible. I don't think AM, IB and Air Madrid will ever permit this. Same applies to MX and AC. MEX-IAD-DXB will simply not happen. Fourth, Ryeroam has a good point but I think that EK's ambition to serve all major cities in the world and appropriate bilateral business and tourism promotion measures (I believe the number of Mexican honeymooners to U.A.E. has been growing steadily) may create a market opportunity. And this brings me to my first argument here. We should not read this article as an indication of something certain in the future, but rather as a sign that our authorities are trying to lure EK to Mexico.

Ryeroam, welcome to the forum. I see this is one of your very first posts even though you have been reading the threads for quite some time. I trust you will enjoy reading and posting a lot and I look forward to your contributions to the discussions. I am sure it will be very interesting to read your opinions and your ideas.

By the way, the article quoted by Alonso mentions that the beginning of EK flights to Brazil is imminent (i.e., months or weeks from now). Any idea of when this will happen?
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:29 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 7):
As for visa's, UK passport holders do not need one but I'm unsure about anyone else. I guess these days many more people transit DXB than actually go through immigration.

Mexican citizens do need a visa to enter the UAE and it is not easy to get. Reciprocity is the word here, since getting a Mexican visa for citizens of countries in the middle east is tough. I guess UAE and Mexico would have to ease their visa policy for their respective citizens to make the flight work.

Additionally, the flight will be targeting people flying to other countries in the area (India, Thailand, Lebanon, Pakistan, Kenya, Egypt, etc).

For more information on UAE visas go to:

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:33 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 11):
I am so fed up with with these sensationalized stories about foriegn airlines set to break new grounds in Mexico. This is so typical of Mexico. Nothing but talks and rumors. Last year I heard about Korean Air flying to MEX, then Mexicana flying to Japan and then on to Bangkok in the near future? I really believe that they are just trying to fill their newspaper with exotic stories as these.

Take a chill pill ThaiboynMexico!! First of all, KE didn't show intentions. It was Air New Zealand and Qantas....!!! Air New Zealand proposal has recently been rejected by Mexico's DOT.. or call it SCT!! Their proposal was to base an A320 LAX in order to fly to MEX or TLC (they were to accept any airport) GDL, MTY, and CUN. But mex authorities apparently didn't liked the idea. As for Qantas I don't know the status. Mexicana to Asia... wait!!! First step are A332s... second step A340s... in fact, there's MX-mx people at TLS for A340 training... and several other things going on at MX! Expect China first followed by Japan and if everything goes well other cities should follow.

As for EK, for me it seems an unreal flight/situation given 2004 stats by SCT! I don't see it happening anytime soon! Wishful thinking from EK and mexican government, but Mexico's government sure is trying to offer MEX-Mexico as an option to major carriers to fly.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:38 am

This route would be a good route for Emirates to put one of their A340-500s on. Emirates is about to take delivery of their ninth A340-500 the reg is A6-ERI with the tenth to follow soon.

Sorry if this sounds extremley foolish.
The way I see it is that Emirates is looking for good destinations that they can put the A340-500 on. Since Sydney and Melbourne have gone to the B777-300ER, Zurich and New York are the only (?) routes that eight A340-500s fly on. So the more routes that they can put the A340-500 the better.

[Edited 2005-07-18 01:38:46]
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 11):
If you've been to Mexico, you know there is just no market for EK at all. How many Mexicans travel to the Middle East, to be honest?

I agree with you at some point, but if Emirates plans are accurate it will relay on their DXB hub. As most replies mention, Emirates wants to be the world airline and why not take part of the Latin American market which has MEX as it's number one with most passengers. Take for example KL, I can almost assure you that more than 50% continue to another destination besides AMS. Emirates has proved to charge some really competitive fares and I believe this will be very interesting to see. Specially for the market to Asia, not necessarily the Middle East.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 11):
This is why they have increased CDG-MEX-CDG from 7flights/week to 11 flights per week.

So you're saying that AF increased flights cuz of Chinese refugees? I really wouldn't relay on that statement or on something you see.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
I read a few minutes ago the article in the newspaper and I think that we should not read it as a forecast but rather as a sign that the tourism authorities of Mexico are working hard to promote Mexico City as a destination of major global carriers.



EXACTLY, it's better than not even taking the time to do things. Of course, we have seen many failures and plans that were not taken to practice but at least is better to start doing things that will become of interest in the future. At least Mexico is starting to prepare for what may come in the future.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
Maybe a stop in CUN could solve the problem

I thought the same thing when I read the articule. CUN can be a very promising stop for EK. Considering the growth of CUN in the last years.

ThaiboynMexico, welcome to the forum. Looking forward to read your opinions and experiences that can make this forum more interesting.

Cheers

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:58 am

KLM865,

I did not account the increase of flight frequency from CDG to MEX to Chinese refugees. My apology because my English could have been clearer. But to elaborate on this...Other Asian refugees such as North Koreans, Vietnamese, as well as Russians and Eastern Europeans with ties to Mexico also use Air France, not to mention Mexican travelers who benefit from SkyTeam connections out of CDG.

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I spend so much time on airliners.net here from Guadalajara (like all the time); but a college student that I am, I was too stingy to pay for the right to contribute. I just coughed up $25 but well worth it in the end.

Wonderful summer everyone...buen día a todos.

Saludos de GDL

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:58 am

I've discussed the EK business with many people around the world and most of us come to a conclusion that EK is "the airline of the world" as you guys call it.

EK's bushiness is not to transport people in/out of Dubai, but to move people from one part of the world to another. At least that is my opinion and what lots of guys also say.

There is many people that can fly EK to Dubai and then to other destinations, Therefore I don't see this as an impossible thing to happen.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:49 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
Air New Zealand proposal has recently been rejected by Mexico's DOT.. or call it SCT!! Their proposal was to base an A320 LAX in order to fly to MEX or TLC

Where did this news get announced? It seems a bit far fetched for NZ to be operating an A320 so far from New Zealand. Right now, NZ is pretty content operating their A320's down here and consolidating the fleets of NZ and SJ.

If a press release is available, then please give a link or something.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 19):
Where did this news get announced? It seems a bit far fetched for NZ to be operating an A320 so far from New Zealand. Right now, NZ is pretty content operating their A320's down here and consolidating the fleets of NZ and SJ.

ANZ was here in Mexico City and had directly negotiations with Mexico's Secretary of Transportation. They wanted to base an A320 at LAX sending it 3X to MEXorTLC, 2X to CUN, 1X to GDL and 1X to MTY with rights on LAX-Mexico flights giving priority to connections but selling the rest of the free seats on routes.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:57 pm

I recall Malaysian did quite well in MEX but it became too uneconomical not being able to pick up joining traffic LAX-MEX-LAX. I wouldn't have thought the range of the A345 would be sufficient for DXB-MEX non-stop on full payload, and therefore they may need to consider MH's experience if they are looking at operating through the States.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:53 pm

MEX could support many flights from different parts of the world. MEX is a top business city, plus all the connecting passengers going to the Mexican resorts, make MEX a good decision. According to aneki.com, Mexico is the 8th most visited country in the world (aneki.com, most visited countries).
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:03 pm

It seems far fetched, but when Mexico stops funneling tons of pax through the US (CO, DL, AA) some "exotic" routes will start making sense.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 10):
they havent looked into LAX, ORD

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They did so back in 2000/2001 but postponed expanision into the USA after 11Sep01 . A lot in future will depend on whether US-American tourists are ready again to spend their vacations in Morocco, Egypt, the UAE and Oman .
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
This route would be a good route for Emirates to put one of their A340-500s on. Emirates is about to take delivery of their ninth A340-500 the reg is A6-ERI with the tenth to follow soon.

To open this route, EK needs more A340-500's.

The additional A345 will be sent to JFK for double daily service.

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 21):
I wouldn't have thought the range of the A345 would be sufficient for DXB-MEX non-stop on full payload,

DXB-MEX is shorter than SIN-EWR. It can be done, but I dont know what kind of penalties there will be? Also I think EK's A345 seats more than SQ's A345, so we will have to wait and see.

I think EK will open South American destinations first before opening Latin American Destination like MEX.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 24):
US carriers fly in the markets that Mexico-USA business needs to go.

Did you understood my post? I said funnel traffic through the US.
Mexico - Europe and Mexico - Asia bussiness is a nice added bonus, thanks to the incompetence of Mexican Airline CEO's and authorities. It wouldn't surprise me that even some Mexico - South America traffic goes through Miami.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 24):
I don't see MX/AM supplanting what CO flies anytime soon.

What do you mean by this? CO does fly MEX - Europe/Asia passengers. Are you saying you don't see MX/AM flying MEX-NRT or MEX-FCO?
Nobody is talking about flying to 200+ US destinations dude, just not feed them our O&D traffic.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 24):
Ignorant statement if there ever was one.

Wow. That was uncalled for.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 24):
The only ties theses people have to Mexico is that Canada wouldn't let them in,

That could be the case, but fact is that they live here, as hundreds of thousands of Central and South Americans. You seem to have a problem with Mexico, but whatever.

Back to the topic. I fail to see significant O&D traffic nor connecting oportunities. DXB is just not in a good geographic position to connect Mexico with anything.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:23 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 27):
Back to the topic. I fail to see significant O&D traffic nor connecting oportunities. DXB is just not in a good geographic position to connect Mexico with anything.

Well, I guess it depends on what their break-even numbers are. Mexico is an oil producing nation, among other things. Any business traveler from the Gulf region that needs to do business in Mexico is looking at, in the best case scenario, 1 connection in Europe at some awfull time of the day with an airplane change, on an average airline. A DBX-MEX flight would make a 1 connection trip, without a change off plane and at a decent time of day, the worst case scenario, on an airline of superior quality.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:36 am

I think EK should try to get more US cities online- such as ORD, IAD, LAX. Didnt they serve Houston at one point?
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 29):
Didnt they serve Houston at one point?

Unfortunately, EK has never served IAH. The only US destination is JFK, which is going to become 2x daily soon.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 24):
US carriers fly in the markets that Mexico-USA business needs to go. I don't see MX/AM supplanting what CO flies anytime soon



Quoting N77014 (Reply 24):
Ignorant statement if there ever was one.

Actually AM744 was referring to passengers flying between Mexico and Europe or Asia choosing U.S. carriers. With the current U.S. VISIT policies in effect, it is likely that more and more people who use U.S. hubs as connecting points when flying to/from Mexico will now begin to look for non-stop options or for one-stop flights going through non-U.S. hubs. I will suggest deletion of your reply for violation of rules; one should read other people's posts carefully before calling them ignorant.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 28):
Mexico is an oil producing nation, among other things. Any business traveler from the Gulf region that needs to do business in Mexico is looking at, in the best case scenario, 1 connection in Europe

I don't think oil is much of an incentive here. Even though PEMEX is one of the top five oil producers and Mexico has huge oil reserves, there are close to zero deals with foreign oil companies since the oil market in Mexico is closed. A few foreign oil companies have entered into certain contracts with PEMEX for drilling and production of natural gas in the north of Mexico and maybe for some minor petrochemical ventures, but nothing significant that would create an aviation market between Mexico and the Middle-East. I think tourism would be, in this case, the main source of demand.
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 25):
Quoting AM744 (Reply 23):
It seems far fetched, but when Mexico stops funneling tons of pax through the US (CO, DL, AA) some "exotic" routes will start making sense.

That will never go away. US carriers fly in the markets that Mexico-USA business needs to go. I don't see MX/AM supplanting what CO flies anytime soon. Nor do they have the ability even if they tried.

Ignorant statement if there ever was one.

Quoting Mx330 (Reply 18):
I've discussed the EK business with many people around the world and most of us come to a conclusion that EK is "the airline of the world" as you guys call it.

EK's bushiness is not to transport people in/out of Dubai, but to move people from one part of the world to another. At least that is my opinion and what lots of guys also say.

There is many people that can fly EK to Dubai and then to other destinations, Therefore I don't see this as an impossible thing to happen.

Juan APM

That is debatable. To think that "the world's airline" is really a glorified kangaroo route airline is the reality behind all the needless praise. But to think that EK flying to MEX would fill this huge untapped market is far fetched.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 17):
KLM865,

I did not account the increase of flight frequency from CDG to MEX to Chinese refugees. My apology because my English could have been clearer. But to elaborate on this...Other Asian refugees such as North Koreans, Vietnamese, as well as Russians and Eastern Europeans with ties to Mexico also use Air France, not to mention Mexican travelers who benefit from SkyTeam connections out of CDG.

The only ties theses people have to Mexico is that Canada wouldn't let them in, and the want a springboard to go up north. And since when did North Koreans have money to travel?

Another ignorant statement.

You have a real nerve! To call people ignorant when you answers don't contribute any real useful information, just a bunch of negative mumbo jumbo.

The majority of Mexicans to who travel to Europe, being that they're from the middle, upper middle, and high class have U.S. visas, and they have the ability to choose and connect to European flights in the U.S. You have no idea what you're talking about buddy. Check your information before you start calling people ignorant.

Not North Koreans, but South Koreans. If you didn't know, there's a growing community of South Koreans in Mexico City. I'm pretty sure someone can give you the stats.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:55 am

Can the A345 actually make it MEX-DXB non-stop leaving from MEX on 90 degree day, from that altitude? If so the plane impresses me more and more.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:51 am

I think 90° F is, generally, too high a temperature for Mexico City, although perhaps that's the temperature on the runways of MEX on a really warm day. Maybe a few days before the rainy season begins we have temperatures of 90° F or higher, but I would say that only 20 days per year see temperatures approach or exceed this level. I guess that scheduling the outbound flight from MEX at a time of the day when temperatures are lower should be considered in any event.
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:38 am

All these posts attacking my point of view are just denial on others part.

While Mexican tourist authorities are correct in trying to expand tourism opportunities the world over, they should instead concentrate on things that could make a difference right away, like CUN preclearance for US destinations; that would open up many more cities to CUN almost overnight.

Secondly, conditions at MEX, such as the hot-high altitude and terrain limits would severly handicap even the most sophisticated aircraft today for ULH service. And DXB, with Emirates, would be a desireable addition to any airport operation, is honestly a longshot for Mexico business. There are no natural markets needing immediate fulfilling between Mexico and DXB or most transit destination ex DXB.

Quoting AM744 (Reply 27):
What do you mean by this? CO does fly MEX - Europe/Asia passengers. Are you saying you don't see MX/AM flying MEX-NRT or MEX-FCO?

The carriers that fly/have flown these routes have either withdrawn (AZ, MH), or have not increased any flying (JL). So I ask, if MEX is so starving for more Europe or Asia flying, actions by the carriers speak otherwise. If the demand is suipposedly there, then why is it not being met?

This is why:

*The demand is exaggerrated. Outside of MAD-MEX; the status quo remains. The only reason AM is adding B777 is that they were left in the dust compared to what the euro carriers were doing.

*The incumbent carriers won't add capacity to dilute yields.

*Hot and high conditions preclude truly ULH service from the market.

*MEX is no longer adequate. It will be years before TLC, with an adequate terminal and transportation links to the capital and feeder flights, would become a truly substitute airport.
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:01 am

This is an interesting thread that raises many good points - however, most are trying to apply logic as to whether there is a market for an EK flight between MEX and DXB - asking questions about O&D traffic, connection possibilities, etc. We are talking about EK here, and different rules and considerations apply.

Does double daily flights on the JFK-DXB route make sense? Are the numerous DXB-Australia/New Zealand flights logical? Would any other airline go out and order 50+ A380s in one shot? Does it make sense that EK operates 8 daily flights between the London area and DXB?

EK is very unique - they tend to play by their own rules, take chances that other airlines would not consider, and open routes as they see fit......and then fly those routes with large aircraft at higher frequencies than we thought possible. And, in most cases, it works, and if it does not work out immediately, EK has the luxury to wait it out and let demand build on a route, something most airlines can no longer afford.

If EK is looking at Mexico City, chances are EK will fly there in the near term future....dont ask why....just think why not?

Its funny, this talk about MEX-DXB provoked strong responses - that the route makes no sense. When we discussed EK opening an EZE-DXB or GIG/GRU-DXB route, most thought that connecting the large cities of Brazil and/or Argentina with DXB was a great idea, so why the different attitude towards a MEX-DXB route?
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:15 am

Personally I think Dutchjet sums it up regarding EK's business strategy. Who'd of thought 5 years ago that double daily from both MAN and BHX would make sense, I wouldn't have.
No-one else would dare try these routes so why not give it a go. Mexico City is one of the world largest cities and Mexico itself boasts over 100 million people. It has a 'sort of' free trade area with the US. It is definitely one to watch and if EK get in early then good luck to them.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:17 am

This message is to N77014,

To the Mr. From Nicaragua. How could you accuse me that my statement was ignorant? You are the ignorant one. Did I ever say that North Koreans traveled? I never did did I? North Koreans--many in fact--seek asylum in Mexico. Do you know what the word asylum mean? Duh? Mexico is a free, democratic country and is an ideal place for many people from communist countries. And as Latinplane mentioned, Mexico is a popular second residence for South Koreans too.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:10 pm

Quoting N77014 (Reply 35):
The carriers that fly/have flown these routes have either withdrawn (AZ, MH), or have not increased any flying (JL).

What? AZ has NEVER flown to MEX.

Do you know the reasons of MH's departure? Just asking! Seems you know everything related to Mexico! Let me tell you this, Salinas government tried everything to boost Mexico's economy, after the Tequila crisis in 95, CINTRA's creation, SINCE THEN, 5th FREEDOM RIGHTS have not been granted in a way to protect the national industry!! Mexico's government DIDN'T RENEW MH's rights..... that left TA and AV with rights in the MEX-LAX routes, in this decade both stop flying, rights have been lost and I'm sure things will stay this way. EK is another different thing, if they do want to start flights perhaps they could give them the chance to fly TLC-CUN-DXB.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 35):
So I ask, if MEX is so starving for more Europe or Asia flying, actions by the carriers speak otherwise. If the demand is supposedly there, then why is it not being met?

Why not? Easy! US carriers are taking everything away via LAX, SFO, DFW, IAH, MIA, JFK, you name it! AA and CO carried last year around 5M pax MEX-US imagine how many of those have connections.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 35):
*The demand is exaggerrated. Outside of MAD-MEX; the status quo remains. The only reason AM is adding B777 is that they were left in the dust compared to what the euro carriers were doing

AM has always been behind! That's nothing new! And with the arrival of T7's they will still be behind! AF and IB by far overpass AM's capacity! And lets better not mention the lack of flights to AMS and FCO, OTOH, MX lack of flights to LHR, FRA and BCN or MAD!

Quoting N77014 (Reply 35):
*The incumbent carriers won't add capacity to dilute yields.

Yields are as high as hell! Perhaps one more reason of AM's lack of seats on routes... they charge 1500USD r/t MEX-MAD coach fares! And they know people will pay, so, no need to worry in adding capacity since there's also no competition from other mexican players! IB, AF and the rest enjoy of high mexican yields.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:36 pm

Interested points and facts in regards to this. I gotta agree that maybe EK is taking a chance and i think they want to see if there can be a growing demand between Latin America and the Middle East. The only way to find out is to give it a go and see if such route can succeed. Props to EK for what they have planned now and in the future. I honestly can see them havin success with their goals and if MEX is in their plans, im all for it!
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:21 am

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 6):
Honestly i see a A345 witha stop maybe in Europe. If i dont remember correctly i think Singapore was looking to sart service into MEX via MAD. Wonder if Emirates can look something into DXB-MAD-MEX? Should be interesting though to see if a route can be worked out.

If EK where to do anything with MEX, I would put my bet on this option. MEX is one of the most profitable routes for IB and AM and the demand is increasing. Other Spanish airlines like NM, UX and Air Pulmantur are benefiting from the business in Mexico and surely, for EK this could mean good business, not only with MEX, but also opening the first direct flights between the Gulf and Spain. Sounds good...
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
By the way, the article quoted by Alonso mentions that the beginning of EK flights to Brazil is imminent (i.e., months or weeks from now). Any idea of when this will happen?

Eddie, Brazilian Government authorities are talking with UAE authorities and EK in order to establish an agreement. Discussions has been started after the Latino-Arabian meeting a couple months ago in Brasilia.
It takes at least 3 to 6 months to acomplish all the required steps. Probably EK flights to Brazil will begin only in the middle of 2006.
I think that flight to Argentina will be started first, and some months later, it receive a stop or an extension to GIG. But it depends as GRU/São Paulo is the dominant economic market but Rio is much more strong in oil biz. GRU probably will receive in the future an exclusive non stop daily flight.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:54 am

By the way, doesnt NM stand for Air Madrid!!??  confused 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 42):
It takes at least 3 to 6 months...

Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that those formalities were already cleared or in an advanced stage. I sure look forward to seeing EK fly to Brazil. I should be really nice to fly GIG-DXB in F.
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:35 am

GRU/GIG will be a great way to analyze what could happen to MEX. Even though we are talking about different markets here, It's a great preview of what's to come.
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 44):
GRU/GIG will be a great way to analyze what could happen to MEX. Even though we are talking about different markets here, It's a great preview of what's to come.

Agree. Also i remember that Brazil does not offer services to India and other southeast Asia countries. EK could try to be a Hub between Asia and Latin America. Don't forget that Brazil-Mid East Trade has increased more than 200% over 2003 numbers. There is a lot of opportunities there and also in Brazil (turism & oil biz). Mexico and Argentina probably can take some advantage on that too.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 45):
Agree. Also i remember that Brazil does not offer services to India and other southeast Asia countries. EK could try to be a Hub between Asia and Latin America

I couldn't agree more. I've always said that EK is the new gateway to Asia. They'll definately compete directly with the European carriers that already do that job.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 45):
Don't forget that Brazil-Mid East Trade has increased more than 200% over 2003 numbers.

That's the advantage that Brazil has right now. Thought it would be interesting to see the numbers for MX. Maybe with oil, but most of Mexican oil business is with the States.

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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:07 pm

To AlitaliaMD11... EK still operate the 340-500 to MEL and SYD. The 777-300 are additional services (both cities are now twice daily). EK 340-500 destinations are KIX, ZRH (although is only 340-500 5 days/week), MEL, SYD and JFK.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:01 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 22):
According to aneki.com, Mexico is the 8th most visited country in the world (aneki.com, most visited countries).

Yes, but consider that 80% or more of the tourism (just a guess, I have no stats) is American. And you don't need EK to fly from the USA to Mexico.

In general, this thread has been extremely interesting to read. I don't have much to contribute that hasn't been said, but there are a lot of issues here. I think EK will fly to MEX soon. And why not? As others have said, EK strives to be a world airline, MEX is one of the biggest cities in the world, and I'm sure a demand exists somewhere. Not only to the Middle East, per se, but to the myriad other connecting opportunities out of DXB.
 
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RE: Emirates Is Starting To Look At MEX

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:40 pm

Im asking myself if EK wants to fly to EZE and GRU/GIG, why not MEX also? Those 3 countries have much to offer to business travelers and tourist of course and also play an important role in the economy of Latin America. I really think EK will eventually give MEX a try at least. Wondering if Emirates does order the A350, will it be able to use it on a nonstop flight into MEX? Just curious because dont know much about the 350.

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