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New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:12 pm

Now MOL is flying from DUB to BGY on FR 2244 expected at 09:30 local time. press conference in Milan to the national press. Then he will leave at 12:45 local from BGY to PSA with FR 2245 and press conference there.
Routes to be announced within two hours.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:21 pm

Please please please announce BGY CIA
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:34 pm

Ryanair today named Pisa as its 14th European base and announced 3 new routes to Dublin, Eindhoven and Alghero bringing the total number of Ryanair routes from Pisa to 10.

RYANAIR ROUTES FROM PISA:

ALGHERO DAILY
BARCELONA GRO DAILY
BRUSSELS CRL DAILY
DUBLIN DAILY
EINDHOVEN DAILY
FRANKFURT HHN DAILY
GLASGOW PIK DAILY
HAMBURG LBC DAILY
LIVERPOOL DAILY
LONDON STN 3 DAILY
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:40 pm

As mentioned on a Ryanair thread last week, it was discussed that Pisa had built up quite a network of routes without becoming a base as yet. Clearly it was closer coming than we realised....
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:58 pm

Thought that with the exception of Eindhoven, all the routes seemed quite logical/obvious. But then I notice that there is a growing network of routes from Eindhoven to other Ryanair bases. Perhaps serious potential to be a new Ryanair base in the near future. It's in the middle of a big wealthy catchment area for both Netherlands and northern Belgium, and would make the perfect Dutch base as AMS will never be an option for FR.
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:02 pm

Also no base so far in France,which is comprehensive, considering the french-work legislation,that make "hire-and -fire" very difficult.Also overhead-costs in France are high compared to other european countries.There is still hope to see à Ryanair base in the south of France one day....
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:36 pm

Finally!

So I can fly to AHO without changing at HHN or GRO!
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:17 pm

Great to see the possibilities from EIN are growing! More and more routes are coming... Only negative point is that most of the routes (except EIN-STN) are operated only once a day. So daytrips on FR are difficult from here.

btw, AF also announced 3x daily EIN-CDG, flown with ATR-42 equipment.

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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:08 pm

Quoting PSAHO88 (Reply 6):
So I can fly to AHO without changing at HHN or GRO!

Did you do that? Wasn't it way easier and cheaper to drive or take the train+bus to CIA and fly from there?
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:43 pm

Big doubts on the AHO-PSA performance considering the not good performance on the CIA-AHO who offer a better catchment area.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:50 pm

I'm still waiting for FR to launch CIA and AHO to BGY... Ryanair is a growing force in Italy, but are playing a game of chess with AZ and their protectors in the Italian government.

AZ yields are being eroded everwhere, on the low fare end by an aggressive FR and less aggressive EZY, and on the high yield end by increased AF and LH domination of long haul Italian origniating traffic.
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 10):
Ryanair is a growing force in Italy, but are playing a game of chess with AZ and their protectors in the Italian government.

AZ yields are being eroded everwhere, on the low fare end by an aggressive FR and less aggressive EZY, and on the high yield end by increased AF and LH domination of long haul Italian origniating traffic

Not that AZ yields mean anything. Hell will freeze over before the Italian government starts telling AZ to actually sort itself out or go out of business. Every year or so another state aid package that should be illegal in the EU, but always seems to be allowed.....
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 10):
I'm still waiting for FR to launch CIA and AHO to BGY

The BGY-AHO is not far to happen. However the CIA-BGY is really unlikely to happen, especially now that the figures of the first 3 months of the domestic CIA-VBS and CIA-TSF are terrible, with poor load and very low yield....
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting Airblue (Reply 12):
especially now that the figures of the first 3 months of the domestic CIA-VBS and CIA-TSF are terrible, with poor load and very low yield....

Really, so tell us all what were the loads and yields were on these routes?

Quoting Airblue (Reply 12):
However the CIA-BGY is really unlikely to happen

This route is FR's next major route - another DUB STN or STN PIK in the making. It can see it being x10 daily within two years.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
Not that AZ yields mean anything

AZ yields on FCO LIN are tremendous... Cant be bothered to pull the stats again, but in comparison to other core domestic routes in other markets, AZ are making a fortune here as it has no true low cost competition.
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:50 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 13):
AZ yields on FCO LIN are tremendous... Cant be bothered to pull the stats again, but in comparison to other core domestic routes in other markets, AZ are making a fortune here as it has no true low cost competition.

Oh absolutely - one of the most lucrative domestic operations in the world I understand.

no my point was not really about the yields, more the overall operation. along the lines of that it doesn't matter how good their yields are on some routes while their costs are so utterly out of control elsewhere and are completely overmanned. However poorly they did they would get rescued every time by the government.
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 13):
This route is FR's next major route - another DUB STN or STN PIK in the making. It can see it being x10 daily within two years

The new high speed rail link between Milan Centrale Station to Rome Termini from 2008 will kill the lucrative LIN-FCO for Alitalia and AirOne, so from BGY no chance to be competitive also for FR.
The FCO-LIN is mainly a businessmen routes (the train now take 4 hours and 30 minutes, it's quite cheap so VFR/Leisure traffic have used the train since long time ago) and is use mainly by company based in Milan/Rome downtown, so it's really hard to take them to BGY. However CIA is well located for Rome.

Just for your information (please I suggest you to take a look to this web site www.tav.it where you can find also a English version) the new train link Milan to Rome in 3 hours and 5 minutes calling at Bologna and Florence. So the time between planes and train will be so close like on the London-Paris or Paris-Bruxells and we know what happened on these routes... (FR for example pulled out the CRL-STN)
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:08 am

Reply to Joost:

Yes I did! well, at that time FR wasn't still flying on the CIA AHO route.

Then, the cheapest train from Pisa to Rome costs 15.00 Euros and it takes 4 hours ,plus the cost of the bus to the airport... in January I flew AHO HHN PSA for just 36 euros taxes included and in just 7 hours, all transfers included! (well, transfers...)

Anyhow, about the AHO PSA route, I see it as a good option for FR, since in Pisa there is a HUGE population of Sardinians, particularly students (well, I was one of them);Pisa is also a major hub for military operations and Tuscany itself has always had strong links with Sardinia. And the alternative in terms of connecting flights and costs is not so good. Even night ferries still take 8 hours and they arrive at OLB, which is far from the other major cities in the island. I still don't know how they will perform, especially with a daily service in winter, but I guess they should give it a try.

About the other routes, I don't think a CIA BGY would be a good choice, since the total journey time would exceed every other option, including the new low cost train TRENOK from Rome Tiburtina to Milano Lambrate.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:16 am

Not surprised by this decision. I welcome it.

I expect the following, amongst others, to become bases sometime:

EIN
NRN
LBC
RIX
TSF
MJV (what's the demand from here to countries other than the UK and Ireland?)
BVA
TRF
TMP (possibly)

Quite surprised that ORK, Ireland's second-largest city, doesn't have more FR routes, so I'd expect growth sometime.
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:23 am

I agree, Treviso would be a good base in Italy. Is is just 20 Kms from Venice.

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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:25 am

I've flown out of TSF before. I think a potential problem re. TSF (and indeed VCE) might be yields and loads in the low season. I doubt very much whether the yields would be poor/unacceptable during the high season, when tourists flock to the Italian city as though it was a Mecca. The same applies to Pisa, with the exception that its base fares seem to be far higher, like with, say, MJV.

[Edited 2005-07-21 20:29:42]
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:10 pm

What is the situation about LBC. It looked like a done deal, but is not mentioned on the Ryanair website.

However in the press release about PSA they call it the 14th base. But up till now, they have 12!

1. STN
2. LTN
3. LPL
4. PIK
5. SNN
6. DUB
7. HHN
8. CRL
9. GRO
10. BGY
11. CIA
12. NYO

14. PSA

So, who is no. 13??
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:36 pm

It's true they should be 13 by now, not 14. Strange...
But maybe they consider TSF as some kind of a base already.
who knows....

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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
I expect the following, amongst others, to become bases sometime:

EIN
NRN
LBC
RIX
TSF
MJV (what's the demand from here to countries other than the UK and Ireland?)
BVA
TRF
TMP (possibly)

MJV won't be a Ryanair base for a long time to come. It has limited capacity but more importantly it is closed to civilian traffic between 0800 and 1500 (except Saturdays and 15th July - 1st September).
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Greenjet (Reply 22):
MJV won't be a Ryanair base for a long time to come

Well, a highly knowledgeable FR employee (no, not me) states that it will be a base early next year, primarily because of the very good yields and loads. I am leaning towards what he has said: he normally gets everything right.

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RE: New Ryanair Base In Pisa

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Greenjet (Reply 22):
MJV won't be a Ryanair base for a long time to come. It has limited capacity but more importantly it is closed to civilian traffic between 0800 and 1500 (except Saturdays and 15th July - 1st September).

new second runway ready at the end of november. No more restrictions then.