TCA256
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Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:03 am

Hi friends,

I was wondering if some of you work for SABENA in
Brussels, being nearly graduated with a universitary
degree late june I'm looking for a student job in the
company....  

I can offer English, French, some Dutch and Swahili,
a few words in Hebrew.... and obviously the love of aircrafts....in the hope to have a little chance for any answer !!

regards,



 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:47 am

With the year they've had, I doubt they're hiring in large numbers.

Have you checked out http://www.sabena.com/public/about/jobs.asp

There was an article in AWAS&T about how Sobelair and DAT (Delta Air Transport), affiliates of Sabena, are rather shortstaffed at the moment.

Are you EU citizen? Forget the job otherwise.
 
A330
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 7:16 am

Jobs are available for students during the weekends and holidays.
You can be put in the Catering,Cleaning or Bagage department.
The two best student and weekend jobs are agent Special Assistance (helping children,elder and handicapped ) and Porter,agent bagage tracing (handling fragile,VIP and bulky luggage) Both require contact with the passengers and you have to be fluent in Dutch,French and English.
I myself work during the weekends as an agent bagage tracing/porter.

Tino
Shiek!
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 5:15 pm

Yup I'm Belgian....I wouldn't put this post if I wasn't   ,
due to our tough European immigration & work laws !!!!
Anyway, thanks for the information...the fact is I can
handle with Dutch but I'm not fully bilingual....   !!!!!
My objective would be to work in an administrative
team in the airport...paper work...eventually I would
take a passenger handling job but it's not my favourite.
What's about the task related to aircraft cleaning ?? is
it hard ? I mean night/day shift but how many hours ??
(that one would fit me...so many aircrafts to see in
a single day...eheheheh...!   ), is the pay good ??
do you think BIAC hires also students ?? thanks in
advance....
 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 6:28 pm

Hey tca

I'm also Belgian and I have to say you this. You're way too late for a studentjob at Sabena. All the selections are already done.
The medical examinations are also done. You have to apply much earlier and that means in the month of february, march. I also applied for a job this year and I have a small chance that I will be hired during the summerseason or during the weekends.
As a student you don't have to work nights. You have to work from 5:30 or 6:30. You work 7 hours and a half and the late shift is untill midnight.
Just like A330 said, they only hire people for bagage handling and cleaning of the aircraft. And sometimes for special assistants.

I don't think it's paid very good. I believe you can earn some 35000 belgian francs   for one month if you're 21. I'm not sure about this.

That's all for know I think
Greetings
Ralf  ,  
 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 6:46 pm

Nope, no paperwork jobs for stuents, cleaning is VERY hard, there is a lot of stress, and sometimes, you will be really shocked by the filth in some planes(Biman Bangladesjh is the worst, people don't use bathrooms on that flight, it seems...) I can not recommend it.
Try to apply for a weekend job, pay is about 2150 bef. a day, shifts of 8 hours, and if you want you CAN work during the nights.
After 60 shifts, you get an R2 ticket which entitles you to a (nearly) free flight on Sabena (worldwide!)

PS. It is the best way to integrate in the company, if you want a permanent job within the SN group... I for one do this to improve my chances of becoming a A320 F0 in the near future.
But do not underestimate the workload, we work our b.... off during summer! Something passengers often forger when complaining about luggage that hasen't arrived yet on the caroussels, or the fact that they must wait in line for check in!
Pax. are getting more and more agressive, I've been called names, threatened and even grabbed by passengers, just for telling them that their luggage is too big for carry on, or that their dog-cage is way too small for the animal (we follow the IATA rules, so no troubles with GAIA in that department!)

Tino
Shiek!
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 8:10 pm

Hi guys,

ok...35000Fb seems to be a rubbish payroll compared to
what I can expect downtown   but it's clear that 1)
it's only a student job 2) even if the pay is average, the
most important is to live our passion of world aviation !!!
I was sure I'm quite late to apply for SN...damn it..., I
think that was theorically my last opportunity to do
there a student job...next job is real job   !!!

Oooh Tino...you made me laugh about that Biman
Bengladesh Airlines...eheheheh...  , that reminds
me also a few stories...in the 1980's I was in ORY
or CDG, can't remember...we were travelling with
a DC-10 in Air Zaire livery...the dumb french guy at
the apron mistookenly disconnected the pipe connecting
the aircraft toilet to a moving citern....Yuuuuk...a kind
of blue geyser felt on the tarmac !! A320 FO ?? whooow, tell me...are you following courses at the BAS?

thanks for all of ya for the answers,

Alex
 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sat Apr 29, 2000 9:47 pm

The best thing to do is applying from January to February... That's what I did, two years ago . Sabena is now a big airline so the selection process becomes even longer.

Bonjour to all my fellow Belgian spotters !!

Olivier

Brussels - Belgium


 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sun Apr 30, 2000 7:52 am

BEF 35.000 for a month's work on a student job? Doesn't sound too bad to me. Wait until you enter the actual job market...! More precisely, wait until you have to pay bills with your monthly pay. The 35 grand you got as a job student, with just about all costs in life covered by mom and dad, will seem like sheer luxury, in retrospect. IMHO, that is.

As a side note to Tca256; the BAS is now SFA, or Sabena Flight Academy.

Best regards,

TriStar.
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sun Apr 30, 2000 10:57 pm

Sorry TriStar but 35000BEF seems to me not enough  
when you've been graduated at University and have
followed a study-year abroad...Tel-Aviv University (
I don't mean Erasmus...I mean a real degree abroad!!).
I can expect to be paid more by working for
Belgacom or any other Majors settled in Brussels...even
the Civil Corps could pay more   !! Above all, working
in a ministry can give you a cash of 45000FB for a
student job so....as I wrote...a student job for SN
is only for aviation passion and not for money $$$$ !!!

Just a question.....if a universitarian earns 35000FB,
what would be the pay when graduated from college ? the "Minimex" ?? 

anyway, thanks for the info...

cheers,
 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Sun Apr 30, 2000 11:06 pm

Oooh...again...just a few words...what's the kind of
job you can expect at SABENA for 35000BEF a month
as "regular" job ?? as a "starting rank" I suppose and
with a college/university degree....you won't make me
believe that after 5 years you are still paid that
payroll !!!

Thank you for dad and mum, I know very well the cost of life for paying myself my studies, any other advice ? 
 
TriStar
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RE: Tca256

Mon May 01, 2000 12:12 am

Tca256, no need for the smart mouthing. I was replying to your asking about a *student* job in e.g. the cleaning department.
You can't expect any company to create a special payroll for you in any kind of department just because you happen to have a college degree, and regardless whether you spent one or more years abroad. If you apply for a student job during the holidays, I don't see why the employer should pay you an extra 10 grand over someone else, while you're doing the exact same job.

At any rate, if you're looking for advice and information on how much you would earn in an actual steady position at any company, you might want to consider not using the term of "student job" in your subject...
Good luck with locating someone who's willing to share their financial status with you.

Have a nice day,

TriStar.
 
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RE: Tca256

Mon May 01, 2000 12:22 am

Tca256, get real, a university degree DOES NOT guarantee a better pay during the first years. A graduated maritime officer who went 4 years to school to get a university diploma "licenciaat in de nautische wetenschappen", you get paid 28.000 bef a month. Beginning doctors,lawers,etc. have only minimum wage.
You do not start at SN with an immediate top of the bill job nor pay, you need to PROVE yourself and climb all the way to the well paid branches of the company-tree.
Shiek!
 
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RE: Tca256

Mon May 01, 2000 12:36 am

I can't agree more with you guys. I can't believe he's thinking to find a job that pays more because you're a university student.
Maybe you're expecting too much of a student job. You think they will offer you the best job because you're a university student. I'm a student nursing, when I would apply for a job in an hospital I can't expect that I would get the job of a nurse and paid double. You always get a job that doesn't has the same standards as you used to.

And working for Sabena is just because I like aircrafts, not because I think that I would be paid very good. And it would be a little bit strange that you get paid more.

Well maybe you can find a good paid job and please could you inform me  

Greetings
Ralf
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Mon May 01, 2000 1:07 am

Ooh c'mon guys...and chill out...

Tristar,
first of all...I didn't mean that because I've been graduated at university I've more chances than
any other to get a good "student job"...false...I
meant that the payroll can be more better than
a "non-educated" for a "regular" job!! right ? For
you TriStar, I just wrote that I need a student job
then I postponed my words over a "regular" job later,
you didn't understand me at all...sorry if you don't
like "laughing" smileys, I do, that's it.

Ralf,

hi there...I didn't say a university degree is better than
an others but it's well known that for administrative and
management tasks, you've got possibilities when you've
been graduated with a BA degree and can speak several
foreign languages..that's not maybe the case for nursing tasks but that does for Majors !! Maybe not at
SN....I'm speaking for "regular job" NOT FOR "student
job", okay ??

cheers...ooooh no flames again please...

 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Mon May 01, 2000 1:16 am

Ooh sorry A330...I forgot to reply you...I know it very
well pal, in each firm someone needs to jump around
all stages before gettin' the right position with right
revenue...that's world-known !! I would just emphasize
that's for everybody but as a "starting salary" SN
isn't the best...I'm sorry that's real for "student
job", I don't know for "regular" jobs....firms like
Winterthur (right spelling ??) offers 50-50000FB with
car and cellular as "starting" rank, so..!!!

Again and again..I was not talkin' about the rank
between diplomas...I didn't explain me very well,
I mean about the possibilities to jump on all stages
that are often linked to your own skills but also to
your education degrees......IMHO, thanks.

cheers,
 
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Mon May 01, 2000 2:33 am

OK, sorry mistake then    

Back to aviation    

Greetings
Ralf
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Mon May 01, 2000 3:12 am

good to hear us back on the track  

cheers,
 
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Bad Lag

Mon May 01, 2000 3:28 am

Tca256,

Let's see... You wrote
ok...35000Fb seems to be a rubbish payroll compared to what I can expect downtown (...) but it's clear that
1) it's only a student job
2) even if the pay is average, the most important is to live our passion of world aviation !!!

I couldn't agree with you more on both accounts, which leads me to disagree on the "rubbish payroll" bit. We're not talking about the wages of fulltime employees at Sabena. Therefore, it doesn't seem very honest to me that you should say as a "starting salary" SN isn't the best in your later post.
I simply don't see the connection between the 35 grand you get for a student job, and why that means the pay for a full time job at SN wouldn't be good. There doesn't seem to be any logic in linking up the two facts.

As for your saying
I meant that the payroll can be more better than a "non-educated" for a "regular" job!! right ?
If I understand you correctly, what you're saying is the same as stating a pilot earns more than a flight attendant. I don't see why the difference in wages would be any different in the aviation industry than it is in any other industry. Executives always make more money than janitors - so what's your point?

I'm not trying to sound nasty here; I'm merely trying to understand what it is that you're saying. As I understand it, you're saying Sabena doesn't pay its employees good wages. I disagree. That's all.

As for the smart mouthing bit, that didn't have nearly as much to do with all those smileys as it did with the way you came back at what I said about "mum and dad". Which, agreed, could have been interpreted as somewhat nasty on my behalf - heh. I didn't mean to direct that at you personally though; I was merely trying to point out the difference between the pay for a student job and the pay for a full time job, and why that difference is so clear. And should be, at that. Compared to real life, IMHO students can cash in pretty well on their holiday jobs. In Belgium, anyway.

Best regards,

TriStar.
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Mon May 01, 2000 5:33 am

goodnight TriStar,

There's still some turbulences around SN wages..ehehe   , anyway...good to hear from you.

We're on the same track for some points but I need
again to emphasize that I didn't say that ALL JOBS
in SN are not well paid, I took the case when you begin with a 30000BEF as A330 mentionned as a good
"starting wage" !! I would like just to say that when you've got qualifications and are able to speak several languages, you can get more bucks in other companies....IN THE CASE SABENA PAYS YOU 35000FB
when you enter the firm with a university degree, do you
understand why I mean now ?? !! it's obvious that
managers are more paid than less-educated people..that
was my answer to Ralf who quarelled about diplomas..!!!
Do you understand me now ?? if not I can't make
anything more..sorry...

To conclude...I don't know how many bucks someone
can expect when entering in SN but if it's 35000FB with
a university degree...that's quite less
compared to other companies...no need to make
adverts here !! (oooh s*t, look only at Procter & Gamble, Heinkel, and so on) As a student job, 35000BEF is also a nice payroll but you can get more elsewhere....that's my opinion !

No need to say that I don't want to go again with this
debate, you have your opinion..I've got mine..so
let's back on the sky and let money matters on the ground.

cheers,
 
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Money Makes The World Go 'round

Mon May 01, 2000 7:00 pm

Hi Tca256,

Okay - point taken. I never did any holiday work with Sabena, so I can't say how much it would actually pay. But if you enter the company with a college degree on full time basis, and you are in a position where that degree comes to use, you're bound to make more than 35K.

Take care and good luck in finding the job you've always wanted (no pun intended),

TriStar.
 
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RE: Money Makes The World Go 'round

Mon May 01, 2000 7:56 pm

Two years ago I went through all the selection procedures for a sabena student job. I applied already in october. I was offered a job at the cabin-cleaning departement which meant working for 8 hours, 5 days a week, 2 weekends a month, starting sometimes at 6 o' clock. I would have been paid 30000 BEF, if I worked a weekend 32000 max. They didn't pay for the transport from home to the airport. So, if I had to pay that myself I would have been working very hard for around 26.000 BEF, which is not much in Belgium. Most students working a month gain around 40000-50000 BEF.
BUT, of course, I would have worked for Sabena and I would have been on the tarmac every day, in different aircraft. The reason why I have not worked for them is that I had a few exams to do during the holidays.

This year I asked information at Sobelair to work as a steward during the holidays. They said they were not sure about needing some but they were very positive. The training would be given during the april-holidays. Problem: you had to work for two months (when should I have seen my friends and girlfriend) and working two months in Belgium means a lot of problems with papers and the money your parents receive for you. So, I didn't do it. Maybe one of you would like to do it next year. Apply very early!!
sndp
 
TCA256
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RE: Sabena Student-job

Tue May 02, 2000 6:55 pm

Hi TriStar....'glad to see us on the same line...hope to hear
from you next time, take care !!

HI Sndp,

thanks for the info...

cheers,

 
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You're Welcome Tca256

Tue May 02, 2000 8:25 pm

You're welcome Tc256, I hope you find a good job and who knows still at Sabena, just give it a try, give them a phonecall or so. Good luck
sndp