timz
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Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:57 am

More trivia from the auction listing, this time for the December 1980 North American OAG.

I didn't know New York Air started this early. All their flights start 14 Dec PENDING GOVT APPROVAL: ten flights a day BOS-LGA and ten more DCA-LGA. Did LGA not have slots then? Their code is NS-- NY is Air Colorado at this point.

I didn't know Evergreen flew scheduled passengers-- they've got DC-8s PHL-AUA, JFK-CUN-MID, and BWI-CZM among others. Air Martinique (SATAir? SatAir?) flies a Caravelle PAP-DOM-SXM-FDF and FDF-POS (and probably onward to GEO-PBM-CAY).

During December AA will drop/replace 707s on ACA-ORD, IAD-LAX, BOS-LAX, BOS-DFW-SFO, SJU-EWR-ORD-TUS among others. SAN-JFK will still be a 707. AA has a DC-10 YYZ-LAX-SAN. Why does PA have a 72S SEA-LAX and back?

Starting 13 Dec TW flies a JFK-LAX roundtrip with each of two 747SPs; wonder where they used the third one? They have a DAY-IND-LAX L10, and lots of 707s of course. Why do they have an all-K-class 707 roundtrip ORD-LAX?

Supposedly Republic has merged Hughes Airwest, but this guide still shows the RW flights as well as RC. And it has numerous ads for Hughes, Top Banana in the West (good riddance to that paint scheme).

AS/BN have an interchange 72S FAI-ANC-SEA-DFW-IAH. Under the FLL-SEA listing we find one direct flight: a nine-stop NW 72S eff 18 Dec. Don't remember ever seeing "9" in that last column.

Magnum Airlines has two round trips out of Van Nuys, Cessnas to MRY and SFO. Who can forget Golden Carriage Aire? Route map is LAX-SBP-PRB and SBP-SFO-SMF-SBP. It says Pipers; the one time I saw them it was a Seneca. Has anybody served PRB since them?

Pacific National has a weekly DC-3 LTO-MUG-GYM-MXL-CXL-BUR, and it says Air Cortez has a weekly nonstop DC-3 LTO-ONT. That's 582 nm-- based on the 2005 airport locations anyway; if we take the times at face value it's five hours northbound and three southbound.

Airport codes you never heard of: Air Bahia has two XSu Pipers CJN-LAX.

[Edited 2005-07-20 23:58:46]

[Edited 2005-07-21 00:01:09]
 
MSYtristar
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:18 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Why does PA have a 72S SEA-LAX and back?

That was an old National route. Most of the original National route system was kept in tact until 1983 or so.
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Has anybody served PRB since them?

Didn't Skywest as Delta Connection serve Paso Robles at one time? Back in the days when they did all kinds of intra-California stuff, like SMF-SBA.
FATFlyer would know for sure...he should be checkin in sometime soon.

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
it has numerous ads for Hughes, Top Banana in the West (good riddance to that paint scheme).

WHAT!? You didn't like the SOLID YELLOW!? Has to be my favorite color scheme of all time....I also like 2 day-old coffee.....so you can see I ain't right.

If I win the Lotto and start an airline, my colors are gonna be Yellow and Purple!

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
LTO-MUG-GYM-MXL-CXL-BUR, and it says Air Cortez has a weekly nonstop DC-3 LTO-ONT. That's 582 nm-- based on the 2005 airport locations anyway; if we take the times at face value it's five hours northbound and three southbound.

Time Zone?
Four hours maybe?

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Did LGA not have slots then?

Good question.

And another....
Where are you getting these OAGs?
I'd like to pick up some myself.
How much are you paying for them?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Tim, these are by far my favorite threads on A.Net!
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:37 am

Cool! Bellieve it or not, TWA flew 707's until Haloween of '83!

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If only I could find old OAG's free online or at least in the library; complete with all the old flight listings!
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Why does PA have a 72S SEA-LAX and back?

As MSYtristar pointed out this was inherited from National. At one time National ran this with a DC-10 (summer months I would imagine), but it didn't last long.

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
(good riddance to that paint scheme)

Blasphemy! The flying bannana was the coolest thing in the west! I'd give anything to see an airline go back to being that colorfull.

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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:25 am

What was flying into EVV and CHA back in those days? Also, wasn't Cochise the only airline in PRC then too?
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:59 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
wonder where they used the third one?

Were they still flying to NRT at this time with the 74L's?
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Supposedly Republic has merged Hughes Airwest, but this guide still shows the RW flights as well as RC.

Republic ran Hughes as a seperate company for at least a year. Both companies had seperate reservations systems that were hard to mesh. While the Hughes AirWest name disappeared from the public eye, the operation was actually renamed Republic West when it came to internal company operations and travel agent commissions. That is why you see the RW code. As for why they have ads.......not too sure.
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Starting 13 Dec TW flies a JFK-LAX roundtrip with each of two 747SPs; wonder where they used the third one? They have a DAY-IND-LAX L10, and lots of 707s of course

Can you find any other off beat domestic widebody routes? For example, was Northwest still running DC-10's to places like BIL and GEG? And what domestic 747 routes can you find?

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Airport codes you never heard of: Air Bahia has two XSu Pipers CJN-LAX

I believe that when Air Bahia started operations on the SAN-TIJ route it was the smalllest international airline in the world.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Where are you getting these OAGs?
I'd like to pick up some myself.
How much are you paying for them?

Information that I would like to know as well. Also it would be real interesting to see some info from a pre deregulation OAG. The only OAG that I have of any vintage is from June of 1986.

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Top Banana in the West (good riddance to that paint scheme)

I loved Hughes' yellow paint. I guess you would have to grow up in the west to understand.
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:51 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 6):

Were they still flying to NRT at this time with the 74L's?

I dont remember TWA ever flying to Tokyo. The 74Ls were purchased for China routes that never materialized, they usually showed up on the JFK-TLV and JFK-CAI routes until they were sold off (2 to AA, 1 to private operator) - I did not know that the 74Ls ever did transcon services.


And, the RW banana color scheme was very cool, one of my favorites, and it stood out. Beats all of those white airplanes we now have!
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:34 pm

Skywest did fly to PRB back in 1987-1988. The maintainence/crew
base in SMX was closed and moved to PRB. I'll have to ask
around because I don't remember how many airplanes overnighted
in mx. I want to say only like 3 or 4 at the most.
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:44 pm

The TW K-class flights were 'SuperCoach' all economy seating. The SuperCoach name was even painted on the nose of the aircraft. I remember seeing them in DEN quite often.

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stirling
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 10):
Skywest did fly to PRB back in 1987-1988.

Thanks for the verification.
I looked through my old Delta Timetables; and I have a few; but didn't see the PRB routes, then again it was for a very short time period. I knew I hadn't imagined it.
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timz
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:09 am

Sure nuff-- the 11/87 shows about eight a day to PRB.

As for EVV nonstops: DL and EA from ATL, DL from ORD, AL and Britt from IND, and EA and Britt from STL.

CHA nonstops:
seven daily DL ATL
DL DAY thru 14 Dec, then DL CVG
DL, RC TYS
DL LEX
RC MEM
Tennessee Airways Cessnas, two XSaSu flights BNA and four XSaSu CLT

Cochise has nonstops to PRC from PHX and IGM; Desert Pacific has nonstops from SDX and LHU (one of the latter originates at MYF).

If you guys aren't getting the IMs: these OAGs are library discards.
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
Thanks for the verification.
I looked through my old Delta Timetables; and I have a few; but didn't see the PRB routes, then again it was for a very short time period. I knew I hadn't imagined it.

I only flew into PRB once. The flight operated LAX-SMX-PRB.
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Starting 13 Dec TW flies a JFK-LAX roundtrip with each of two 747SPs; wonder where they used the third one?

LAX-LHR would be my guess. I have a vague recollection that this went from a -100 to an SP at some point.

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
During December AA will drop/replace 707s on ACA-ORD, IAD-LAX, BOS-LAX, BOS-DFW-SFO, SJU-EWR-ORD-TUS among others. SAN-JFK will still be a 707. AA has a DC-10 YYZ-LAX-SAN.

That's odd - I would have thought BOS/IAD-LAX were DC-10s at this point. AA and UA flew them everywhere from LAX. Just a shot in the dark - maybe the 1979 DC-10 grounding resulted in some still-lingering capacity reduction moves?

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
TW... They have... lots of 707s of course

I actually went back to my old JP Airline Fleets and counted recently - in their glory days, TW had an even one hundred 707s!  eyepopping 

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Blasphemy! The flying bannana [sic] was the coolest thing in the west!

...to say nothing of the silver-tinted windows!
 
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Didn't Skywest as Delta Connection serve Paso Robles at one time? Back in the days when they did all kinds of intra-California stuff, like SMF-SBA.
FATFlyer would know for sure...he should be checkin in sometime soon.

Yep, here I am, didn't know I would be missed so much or miss out on so much airline stuff about Fresno and Allegiant in just a few days. Got back late Thursday night from a road trip for a few days away...Yosemite, over Tioga Pass, then the Eastern Sierras. Nice weather until we got south of Bishop then it got hot.

Golly gee I can't remember all of them in the state. But PRB (along with SMX) was the main central coast airport in the 1950s and 60s. SwiftAire was started specifically to get service into San Luis Obispo which later became the main airport in the region.

CWAFlyer is correct about the Mx base at PRB. I remember the service operating in 1987 but don't remember if it continued in 1988 or the specific date it ended.
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:32 pm

Did those TWA 707s accomadate about the same number of passengers as their 757-200s did in later years?
 
stirling
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia Dec 1980

Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:25 am

In a one class configuration, the 707-320 topped out at 189. (for comparison, the stretch DC-8, in a one-class layout packed in 239....precursor to the jumbojet)
Did TWA ever operate in this config?

Two-class for the 707-320 was normally 140-145.

So it was probably just under the max, and two-class passenger capacity of the 757.

The two-class config of the 707-320 was around what a 727-200 was in one class, 144 or so; just a hair less than the current two-class config of the 737-800 and A320.

There will be a test later.  Wink

All numbers are generalizations since each airline chose their own config.
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