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First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:42 pm

On the computer at work today when I restarted my gate manager I was prompted by a message saying "new a/c type added, CR90". This may be a hint that PSA will be taking delivery of the CRJ 950.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:30 pm

interesting. in my conversations with PS crews they all are telling me that the carrier has no intentions at this point in time to begin to operate a third subtype. then again, they could just be covering it all up. has PS recieved all of it's ordered -700s? in all honesty, i would love to see the -900 in our colors but cringe at the idea of trying to push it back in our tight alleys here in LGA.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:35 pm

sorry, forgot to ask this earlier. what station are you talking about? might it be KLCT?
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:36 pm

I work at PIT but I highly doubt it will ever come in here
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:30 pm

Wild guess, but maybe it has something to do with HP and their CR9s Mesa has?
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:13 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
On the computer at work today when I restarted my gate manager I was prompted by a message saying "new a/c type added, CR90"

US/HP will be moving some of the CRJ-900s flown by Mesa and currently in the HP system out east to fly in the US system, probably as early as November.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
This may be a hint that PSA will be taking delivery of the CRJ 950.

What's a CRJ-950?  Smile

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 1):
has PS recieved all of it's ordered -700s?

PSA has completed its CRJ-701 order at 14.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:13 pm

Probably Mesa moving 18 of the -900s into the system. On the rumor mill side of things... could be -950s for AWAC.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:23 pm

CRJ-900's might very well be the beginning of the end of US mainline in PIT for anything but PHL/LAS/PHX/CLT/Florida runs. Time will tell.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:04 pm

On the rumor mill side of things... could be -950s for AWAC.

That's quite the rumor, seeing as how this thread is the first I've ever heard of the CRJ-950.

CRJ-900's might very well be the beginning of the end of US mainline in PIT for anything but PHL/LAS/PHX/CLT/Florida runs. Time will tell.

It's a little late for that. The only mainline left at PIT that doesn't go to a hub/focus city, Florida, or the west coast are 1x BWI, 1x MSY, 3x ORD. That's it. (The BWI is presumably for aircraft rotation, as there's no reason whatsoever for that flight to be mainline.)

Most or all of the Mesa CRJ-900s that are coming over will go to CLT, primarily to existing 737 routes, with two or so new routes being announced, and a few upgrades on existing CRJ-700 routes.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:29 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
It's a little late for that. The only mainline left at PIT that doesn't go to a hub/focus city, Florida, or the west coast are 1x BWI, 1x MSY, 3x ORD. That's it. (The BWI is presumably for aircraft rotation, as there's no reason whatsoever for that flight to be mainline.)

You missed at least one, depending on your interpretation of these others:
BOS gets A321 and 733
DCA has some A319s mixed in with the E170s.. though could be argued as a "focus city" to some extent
LGA is likewise to DCA
DEN Not quite a transcon, but probably out of useful range of even an E170

MSY... WHY?!?!%?!
ORD... they pissed that business away just in time for WN to come to town. That's the biggest O&D market out of PIT, and those businessmen weren't going to switch to Walmart Air to go to the airport in the hood. (though MDW is MUCH more convenient for some locations) and I doubt they really wanted to start flying Eagle's ERJ's and UA's/AWAC's old BAe-146's

US wants to drop those west coast flights from PIT... even though LA and SFO have 679 and 522 pax respectively (#6 and #7 markets). If US can't find a away to make a profit between those 2 cities and PIT with that kind of O&D count and no direct LCC competition they really do need to get out of the airline business. But then again this is the airline that insists on running RJ's ERI-PIT, ABE/MDT/SCE/AVP-PHL, and other horrendously short hops that just piss away fuel.

CO successfully runs their CLE hub as nothing but RJ's and a few mainline to the other hubs and huge destinations... and a few 757's to top European destinations... to connect the midwest/Lakes region to their network, and get traffic out of the already congested EWR... and they're PROFITABLE... something that US can only dream of.  scratchchin 
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:38 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
MSY... WHY?!?!%?!

Because the flight has the demand to warrant a 319, why else? Don't you think they would have cut it already if it isn't doing any good? It's one flight we're talking about here, the only nonstop in the market.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:39 pm

You missed at least one, depending on your interpretation of these others:
BOS gets A321 and 733
DCA has some A319s mixed in with the E170s.. though could be argued as a "focus city" to some extent
LGA is likewise to DCA


Um, I interpret those cities as focus cities, along with everybody else. Hell, DCA has far more mainline flights and more seats than PIT.  Yeah sure

MSY... WHY?!?!%?!

That'll likely be downgraded to a 70-seat jet before long.

ORD... they pissed that business away just in time for WN to come to town. That's the biggest O&D market out of PIT, and those businessmen weren't going to switch to Walmart Air to go to the airport in the hood. (though MDW is MUCH more convenient for some locations) and I doubt they really wanted to start flying Eagle's ERJ's and UA's/AWAC's old BAe-146's

What are you talking about? How did they "piss that business away" if you're saying that people don't want to fly the other carriers on the route? They still fly mainline equipment on the route. They dropped two frequencies to start DCA-ORD, due to the new de facto slot controls at ORD.

US wants to drop those west coast flights from PIT... even though LA and SFO have 679 and 522 pax respectively (#6 and #7 markets). If US can't find a away to make a profit between those 2 cities and PIT with that kind of O&D count and no direct LCC competition they really do need to get out of the airline business.

No, US is dropping the SAN/SEA flights. The LAX/SFO/PHX/LAS flights will be reduced to the level supported by the O&D pax on the routes, not all of whom fly US.

CO successfully runs their CLE hub as nothing but RJ's and a few mainline to the other hubs and huge destinations... and a few 757's to top European destinations

CO has one, not a few, seasonal 757 flight on CLE-LGW.

and they're PROFITABLE... something that US can only dream of.

US will post a profit for this quarter as well. Just like they did in 2Q04, when CO was not profitable.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:52 pm

Since when is US considering BOS a focus city? All their literature says PHL/CLT hubs. FLL/PIT "primary focus city" and then some add in DCA/LGA to that list with FLL/PIT (hence why I wrote it like I did).

The frequency drops on PIT-ORD were pretty bad. 2 years ago when I was living in VPZ I could pick almost any hour of the day to hit an ORD-PIT leg, the only problem was getting one to mesh up good with a PIT-MGW hop. Now it's the other way around.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
Because the flight has the demand to warrant a 319, why else? Don't you think they would have cut it already if it isn't doing any good? It's one flight we're talking about here, the only nonstop in the market.

The PIT-MSY O&D is the #26 in the PIT market. 155 a day. That's got RJ written all over it.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
CO has one, not a few, seasonal 757 flight on CLE-LGW.

Yes I was clicking edit post to fix that as I saw your update come in.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
US will post a profit for this quarter as well. Just like they did in 2Q04, when CO was not profitable.

A little easier to do while hiding behind the bankruptcy to avoid some creditors... and a little easier after you've cut your in-flight services ALOT more thoroughly than CO has. You get a lunch CLE-IAH on CO, what do you get PIT/PHL-IAH on US? (Just one example off the top of my head from doing the flight this week)
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:58 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 12):
The PIT-MSY O&D is the #26 in the PIT market. 155 a day. That's got RJ written all over it.

It does, but not through the Fall at least. Still a daily 319.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:01 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 13):
It does, but not through the Fall at least. Still a daily 319.

Yeah I see that... just questioning why as opposed to all the other stuff which is already RJ-ed or cut completely from PIT. Seems odd. Some higher O&D markets than that have been hacked up pretty ugly already.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 12):
Since when is US considering BOS a focus city? All their literature says PHL/CLT hubs. FLL/PIT "primary focus city" and then some add in DCA/LGA to that list with FLL/PIT (hence why I wrote it like I did).

As far as I know, the old US and the new US will have:

hubs at PHL, CLT, PHX
other hubs at PIT, LAS
focus cities at FLL, DCA, LGA, BOS
gateways at LAX, SAN

personally, I could see LAS becoming a full hub, LAX becoming a focus city, and SAN/PIT becoming destinations
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
Yeah I see that... just questioning why as opposed to all the other stuff which is already RJ-ed or cut completely from PIT. Seems odd. Some higher O&D markets than that have been hacked up pretty ugly already.

I honestly thought that the route would get cut to two ERJ's or something of the sort when the big PIT cuts took place, but this one has hung in there. It generally goes out full too. It's probably ultimetely doomed to be cut down to an RJ of some sort, but i'm enjoying it while it's around.

MSY is probably a strong enough leisure and convention market to warrant 100+ seats a day from PIT.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
As far as I know, the old US and the new US will have:

hubs at PHL, CLT, PHX
other hubs at PIT, LAS
focus cities at FLL, DCA, LGA, BOS
gateways at LAX, SAN

personally, I could see LAS becoming a full hub, LAX becoming a focus city, and SAN/PIT becoming destinations

SAN? They operate a good number of flights now but a gateway of decent size I do not see coming to SAN.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
personally, I could see LAS becoming a full hub, LAX becoming a focus city, and SAN/PIT becoming destinations

I could see it too... but like I've said the CO in CLE method is the method that makes the most sense to do (and evidentally works! CO is adding flights to CLE while US slashes PIT). Especially with US' convoluted networks on each coast with NOTHING in between. PIT will be within RJ range of almost any city in the Midwest/Plains. That extra 250mi (plus taxi-line fuel burn) in PHL cuts out a bit of that potential market. Just like people would rather connect in CLE than EWR because of convenience of connections... people would rather connect in PIT than PHL... and the people with enough money to be picky/choosey, are the one's with the money to pay high yield fares... not "Go Fares"
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:16 am

Since when is US considering BOS a focus city?

Only for the last 15 or 20 years.

All their literature says PHL/CLT hubs. FLL/PIT "primary focus city" and then some add in DCA/LGA to that list with FLL/PIT (hence why I wrote it like I did).

I don't know what literature you've been reading, but I'd ask for a refund.  Silly

A little easier to do while hiding behind the bankruptcy to avoid some creditors

Of course, US wasn't in bankruptcy last year, US has to pay all post-petition bills, and has extra bills for bankruptcy counsel. So no, it's not a little easier to do.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 19):
Only for the last 15 or 20 years

Really, I didn't realize that. I thought it was only officially announced in the past 2 or 3 years or so... hmm..learn somet'ing new e'ryday!
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:25 am

US has always had a large operation in BOS thanks to the Shuttle down to LGA, all the Express flights to various places in New England (not sure if a lot of these are still around), and the good number of flights to their hubs. I think they promoted the fact that they had the most daily flights from BOS at one point or another.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:50 am

They have around 110 flights or so out of BOS each day...mainline to PHL, CLT, PIT (4 mainline, only 2 RJs), BDA, SJU, FLL, LGA and DCA on a daily basis. AUA and CUN have weekend service. RJ service is pretty varied...runs from New England towns (PQI, RKD, AUG, ACK, BHB), to New York (ROC, SYR, BUF, HPN, ISP), to the South (MYR, GSO, CHS, SAV, RIC all receive some service - GSO and RIC are the only dailies)...MDT and IND also receive some service.

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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:23 am

If the code for the A/C is CR90 that means that it will be operated by PSA. In SABRE the code for Mesa CRJs is RJFG and AWAC is RJZW. The codes for PSA A/C are CR20 and CR70 so the next logical step would be a CR90.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
US has always had a large operation in BOS thanks to the Shuttle down to LGA, all the Express flights to various places in New England

Until recently US Express even flew from BOS to the secondary Upstate New York airports like BGM and ELM (possibly even ITH). This went on for years. US even used BOS as a gateway for awhile in the mid 90s, especially in the winter. The FRA-PIT flight would stop in BOS. This was a real pain, in my opinion.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
Really, I didn't realize that. I thought it was only officially announced in the past 2 or 3 years or so... hmm..learn somet'ing new e'ryday!

Nope, in fact, the US operation at BOS is only about half the size it was before 9/11.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
I think they promoted the fact that they had the most daily flights from BOS at one point or another.

Yep, for a long while they were around 200 flights a day. Down to 116 now, though up from 96 in the post-9/11 low. Due to offering the only mainline, hourly Shuttle product on BOS-DCA and the 17 dailies on BOS-PHL, US still offers the most mainline flights at BOS.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 23):
If the code for the A/C is CR90 that means that it will be operated by PSA. In SABRE the code for Mesa CRJs is RJFG and AWAC is RJZW. The codes for PSA A/C are CR20 and CR70 so the next logical step would be a CR90.

You're assuming that US will be logical here; that's a dangerous assumption.  Smile

It's certainly possible that PSA will be taking the CRJ-900, as they were on order before the bankruptcy, but the amended Bombardier order probably won't be done until emergence.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 25):
You're assuming that US will be logical here; that's a dangerous assumption. Smile

It's certainly possible that PSA will be taking the CRJ-900, as they were on order before the bankruptcy, but the amended Bombardier order probably won't be done until emergence.

I am just saying that the only CRJ900 that is showing in the system at this time is one operated by PSA. There are no signs as of yet of a Mesa or Whisky CRJ bigger than a 50 seater.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:03 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 26):
There are no signs as of yet of a Mesa or Whisky CRJ bigger than a 50 seater.

The Mesa ones won't (can't) show up until after the merger.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:25 am

I really dont think that we will ever see a Mesa CRJ900 in Airways paint. From what I understand Mesa is on the way out. I am not sure the date but the CRJ200 will no longer be in Airways paint.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:45 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 28):
I really dont think that we will ever see a Mesa CRJ900 in Airways paint. From what I understand Mesa is on the way out. I am not sure the date but the CRJ200 will no longer be in Airways paint.

The Mesa aircraft (23x CRJ-200 and 36x ERJ-145) currently in the USX fleet will all be leaving, because US can get out of the contract in bankruptcy. The Mesa aircraft (18x CRJ-200 and ~36x CRJ-900) currently in the HPX fleet will be remaining in the combined fleet, because HP can't get out of that contract.

See http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2228247/4/.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:52 am

What the hell would have inspired Mesa to buy both CRJ-200's and ERJ-145's... that throws any semblance of fleet commonality out the window?
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 29):
The Mesa aircraft (18x CRJ-200 and ~36x CRJ-900) currently in the HPX fleet will be remaining in the combined fleet, because HP can't get out of that contract.

Dang.. I am thinking wrong again. I thought they were just keeping the CR9. Will ZW be mainly on the East Coast, Midwest, or West Coast? How long until they start getting their CR9 (they will have the CR2, CR7, and CR9 right)? Lastly, who will be operating the E90 for US? Is that PSA, RP, or US mainline?

Ooops.. 1 more question. US will keep their remaining 57 E70 that are to come, correct?

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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 31):
Will ZW be mainly on the East Coast, Midwest, or West Coast?

Air Wisconsin will be primarily flying routes that are currently being flown by PSA and Mesa in DCA and PHL, with a lesser presence in CLT, where PSA will ramp up its service, replacing Mesa.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 31):
How long until they start getting their CR9 (they will have the CR2, CR7, and CR9 right)?

Air Wisconsin only has the CRJ-200. They have no other planes on order, AFAIK. If US wants them to fly the CRJ-900, then they'll order it, but I don't think that very likely, given US's other options.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 31):
Lastly, who will be operating the E90 for US? Is that PSA, RP, or US mainline?

Neither US nor any of the affiliate USX carriers have any EMB-190 orders. If US decides to operate the type, it will be at Republic or MidAtlantic.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 31):
Ooops.. 1 more question. US will keep their remaining 57 E70 that are to come, correct?

No. US has 25 EMB-170 aircraft, and is only responsible for 3 more aircraft that are already built and sitting on the ramp in Brazil. (All of those are going to Republic, of course.) Whether US will have Republic operate additional EMB-170s is likely but not finalized; it certainly won't be as many as initially planned.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 32):
No. US has 25 EMB-170 aircraft, and is only responsible for 3 more aircraft that are already built and sitting on the ramp in Brazil.

US originally had an order for 85 E70, correct? When they fell on hard times, they deferred those aircraft (or did Embraer cancel the contract?) When they corrected their financial situation, they were able to begin delivery again or were they just for the ones already built? I thought there were able to recoup on their original 85 aircraft contract. If not, that really really sucks for US cause the E70/E75/E90/E95 seemed to be the aircraft that could relieve a lot of their "too big/too small" aircraft problems...

If you ask me (which I'm sure most of you will say you didn't! LOL), a lot of airlines got into problems when they retired their 70-100 seat aircraft (F70, F100) because they got to the point where they were having aircraft that was too big for a route or too small for a route.

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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:18 am

Alright i am a bit confused where Republic comes into play. Is US selling the E70's to Republic, only to have Republic fly them as a contract regional carrier somewhere is US' system?

I thought the E70's would be sold to Republic and then they would fly them for a major carrier of their choice, say UA. Thus US would have to find a replacement for all those E70's leaving the system...especially in DCA and PHL.
 
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:23 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 30):
What the hell would have inspired Mesa to buy both CRJ-200's and ERJ-145's... that throws any semblance of fleet commonality out the window?

Mesa and Bombardier had a huge fight, so Mesa ordered some planes from Embraer. They ordered 36 with 64 options, none of which have been exercised. Mesa is less than happy with them.

Commonality is also somewhat less of an issue for Mesa, operating on cost-plus contracts.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 33):
US originally had an order for 85 E70, correct? When they fell on hard times, they deferred those aircraft (or did Embraer cancel the contract?) When they corrected their financial situation, they were able to begin delivery again or were they just for the ones already built? I thought there were able to recoup on their original 85 aircraft contract. If not, that really really sucks for US cause the E70/E75/E90/E95 seemed to be the aircraft that could relieve a lot of their "too big/too small" aircraft problems...

US and Embraer mutually changed the contract during the current bankruptcy. If US wants to order the EMB-190 from Embraer in the future, nothing is stopping them.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 34):
Alright i am a bit confused where Republic comes into play. Is US selling the E70's to Republic, only to have Republic fly them as a contract regional carrier somewhere is US' system?

I thought the E70's would be sold to Republic and then they would fly them for a major carrier of their choice, say UA. Thus US would have to find a replacement for all those E70's leaving the system...especially in DCA and PHL.

Republic will be flying the EMB-170s as US Airways Express, on the current routes.
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RE: First Signs Of A US CRJ900

Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 17):
SAN? They operate a good number of flights now but a gateway of decent size I do not see coming to SAN.

I'm sure America West is referring to their secondary international network from SAN. When they made this announcement, HP operated SAN-YVR, SAN-SJD, and SAN-PVR in addition to Phoenix and Las Vegas. Since, HP has decided to end SAN-YVR, but these routes remain a sign of a "secondary gateway" strategy developing at America West.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos