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'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 7:33 am

Does anyone here know of any other places where the landings are similar to the old Taiwan checkerboard approach?

I'd love to be pax on a 747 that has to bank at 45 degrees right on top of the runway prior to landing.

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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 8:48 am

i assume you mean Kai Tak.

how about La Paz? 15000 feet msl...
DCA...there's a nice size thread there....

RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 8:56 am

That was Hong Kong and not Taiwan...  
Try Aspen Pitkins Co in Colorado.

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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 9:16 am

Besides that being in Hong Kong and not Taiwan, the angle of the turn onto finals is actually 47 degrees.  
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 10:40 am

Okay... so I don't know my geography! Make fun of me why don't you all!  

Hey... I'm trying to be a 'glorified bus driver' remember? I don't have to know where stuff is, I just have to know how to get there!  

Are there any other wild approaches like the one at Tai Kak (or whatever, what's it's ICAO code?) out there? I don't want one I can do in my Piper, I want one where I'm a pax in the back of an airliner...

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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:08 am

don't take it personally.....

but as I mentioned, go fly to DCA and pray you come in on Rwy18
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:37 am

KAI TAK! lol....NOT TAI KAK! heheheh  

All i can think of is DCA rwy 19.....

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The Worst

Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:53 am

Vero Beach Municipal Airport.

that is an easy one... I think a pair of wingovers are in the published missed approach...

(now I'll let the east coaster's _try_ to rebut that one)
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 12:17 pm

Lugano , Switzerland is a challenge to land at. It has a single 4,429ft runway. It is surrounded by mountains. There is only one way into the approach so if you have tailwinds it can be tricky to slow a heavy aircraft on approach. All Lugano co-pilots receive Lugano training but are not allowed to make night landings just qualified captains are. The glideslope angle of the IGS is 6.65 degrees more than twice as steep as the normal 3 degrees and there are dire warnings all over the approach charts.
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RE: Wild Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 2:43 pm

I found Kelowna, BC (YLW) to be a lot of fun. One runway, airport set in a valley. Its no HKG, but it does qualify as a cheaper alternative.
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 6:28 pm

What about Funchal, Madeira.

The airport is located with sea on 3 out of 4 sides, and the rwy is short. During approach the a
/c turns about 180 degrees and it's nesercary to breake hard so you don't get into deep water  . Because the rwy is so short a 737 can't take of with enough fuel to a flight for Oslo. You have to reful at Porto Santo.
The rwy is now beeing enlarged :-(. Thts bad because I realy loved the old one, but I doub't it is for safty reasons, and so they can handle bigger a/c than 737/320.

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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 10:28 pm

Although Funchal's runway is being expanded and re-oriented, and its old runway 06/24 will be rendered a taxiway and a new runway 05/23 will be constructed, runway 05 will still have a curved approach towards the left. (Is this reverse Kai Tak?) The works have just been finished recently and the new runway was opened in mid-April 2000, half year ahead of schedule.

The old runway 05/23 could cope with 737-200 and A319 or so small airliners, and the new one can accommodate widebodies (TAP plans to fly A340 in, and SATA A310, BA 747, Martinair 767 and so so on).
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:20 pm

Does anyone know about a list in which airports are mentioned with one or more black or red stars, due to short runways, mountains in the neighbourhood, fog etc..

I believe the list was issued by pilot organisations, but so far I couldn't find anything about on the net.

Thanks for your co-operation,
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RE: Ryanaverest

Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:25 pm

The curve for the funchal-approach was/is to the right.
Bad that it can take big a/c like 747, because that means more trourists,which results in more hotels, and the island get "destroyed" (you know wath i'm mean)

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To: American_4275

Sun Apr 30, 2000 12:21 am

runway 19 is now 18.....  
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sun Apr 30, 2000 5:44 am

id say...Princess Juilliana International Airport in the Netherlands Antillies...
Very wild, especially when u see 747s fly over ur head at like 50 feet or lower..
Holy Toledo...! :-o
But that airport is a straight in approach than Kai Taks..
i cant think of others than the one I had in mind along with HKG.
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sun Apr 30, 2000 8:33 am

what about Courchevel in France??? this looks pretty tough with all the mountains surrounding the airport...


i bookmarked this page after a different topic was discussed in this forum a few weeks ago.....about uneven runways...

yes, lugano is a very difficult approach too, from my reading experience... there is an Airways magazine with a story on Landing at Lugano.

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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Sun Apr 30, 2000 9:49 am

Many people may not know, but pilots rate the landing at John Wayne International airport (better known as "Orange County, CA") as the second most difficult landing behind DCA. There is a noise restriction and a short runway. Most planes to Orange County are 757s, 320s, 319s, and 737-700s because they climb faster than the older 737s and MD80s. I flew a United 757 to Orange County from SFO about five years ago and we stayed at 20,000 ft until we cleared LAX, then literally dropped from the sky to land at the airport. San Francisco can be a tough one also because of fog and landing almost litterally on the water.

I have also heard that Islip, NY is a difficult approach, and of course DCA. Last year I flew a Northwest DC9-50 flight from DTW-DCA and it was so windy, the pilot had trouble contorlling the plane while crossing the Potomac, and we landed only on the wheels on the left side of the plane, with the other wheels falling into place after we hit the ground.
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RE: 'Wild' Landings

Mon May 01, 2000 11:40 am

There are so many wild landings in the world. Alaska Airlines still flying 737-200 into Dutch Harbor, AK has 3,900 FEET! Very dangerous airport in the world!!! The highest elevation airport is Leh,India with Airbus 320 and Boeing 737's. The airport is about 14,800 feet close to 15,000ft than La Paz, Bolivia. Pro Air is still flying many schedules everyday in Detroit, Michigan (Detroit City airport) has 5,090 feet with Boeing 737-400! I flown on Southwest a couples of times on 737-300 into Detroit City pretty rough hard brakes! SWA is no longer service since 5 years. Someone mentioned DCA RWY 18. No longer number 18. Now changed to RWY 19. Because of bearing magnetic changed. That's all.

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