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US Cities Formerly Having Trans-atlantic Service

Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:33 pm

I'm pretty new around here, so accept my apologies if this has been covered before:

Are there any cities in the US that, at one point, had non-stop scheduled service to Europe and no longer do? I think I've heard there used to be an MSY-CDG non-stop. Is this true, and are there any others?
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:36 pm

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:36 pm

St.Louis = LGW, CDG, FRA?..

San Diego = London
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:38 pm

Fort Lauderdale, Daytona Beach, Ft. Myers....
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:48 pm

CLT used to have service from BA to LGW and LH to FRA.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:53 pm

PIT used to have service to CDG, LGW, and FRA on US as well as service to LHR on BA (before US started its service)
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 3):
Fort Lauderdale, Daytona Beach, Ft. Myers....

I believe that LTU still operates their A-330's in the winter to RSW and DAB(during winter and racing) however I could be wrong.

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:59 pm

MSY had nonstop service at one point or another to LGW (BA), AMS (NA), and CDG (NA).

BA did MEX-MSY-LGW with an L15 three times a week.

National flew DC10-30's.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:15 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
BA did MEX-MSY

Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:17 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 6):

I believe that LTU still operates their A-330's in the winter to RSW and DAB(during winter and racing) however I could be wrong.

LTU operates RSW-DUS and RSW-MUC year-round, while Condor operates RSW-FRA year-round, all scheduled. DAB no longer has trans-Atlantic services.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:17 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 8):
Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)

I want to say yes, but i'm not certain of that. Perhaps someone has an answer for us?
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:20 pm

Quoting Willbdsp (Reply 5):
PIT used to have service to CDG, LGW, and FRA on US as well as service to LHR on BA (before US started its service)

The BA service was to LGW, and usually operated by a wet-lease with US. PIT is not a designated LHR gateway.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:05 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
The BA service was to LGW, and usually operated by a wet-lease with US. PIT is not a designated LHR gateway.

Prior to the US/BA alliance BA operated at various times PIT-PHL-LHR; PIT-IAD-LHR.

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:16 pm

DTW (maybe YIP) and CLE used to have JAT flights.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:28 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 8):

Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)

Probably so. I flew MEX-IAH back in the 80's on AF and was allowed to book it and ticket it. The flight operated MEX-IAH-CDG. If AF was doing this type of bookings BA probably could do it as well.

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:04 pm

AA once served CDG from SJC on a 767-300
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:23 pm

AA once did BNA-LGW with a 767
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:24 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
MSY had nonstop service at one point or another to LGW (BA), AMS (NA), and CDG (NA)

Slight corrections:
MSY has enjoyed; but mostly lost to Houston and especially that damn Miami; nonstop service to LGW (BA), AMS (NA), FRA (NA), and ORY (NA)

...unfortunately, New Orleans' Parisian nonstop service has never been to CDG  Sad  hissyfit 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:29 pm

I dont think STL ever had CDG service? I know TWA was going to start it.

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):
I dont think STL ever had CDG service? I know TWA was going to start it.

Yes, they did. AA even kept the route as a seasonal service until 9/11 canned it.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):
I dont think STL ever had CDG service?

They did.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:51 pm

How about Bangor, ME? I know it was a stopover point for some airlines years ago. For example British Airtours used Bangor for a fuel/crew change stop back in the 80's when they were running TriStars to LAX and Florida.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Yes, they did. AA even kept the route as a seasonal service until 9/11 canned it.

Your right Mark, I am thinking of FRA right? The one TWA was going to start? Is that right?

Anyway aplogies for mistaking...

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:56 pm

San Diego lost British Airways in 2003 (I believe). BA valiantly tried to maintain the service, but the revenue just wasn't there. Y class went out filled, but the premium cabin couldn't keep up.

The flight started I believe in the late 1980's (?)


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Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:13 pm

I remember my uncle saying something about MKE-FRA on LH back in the 80s or something. Who knows? Was he just sniffing fumes?
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:26 pm

Oakland had PEOPLExpress 747 service non-stop to I believe LGW- but don't quote me on that. I do know as a fact that there was PE service to Europe. Also, I've read on A.net that Corsair once service ORY non-stop from OAK, correct?
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:36 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 8):
Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)

Yep, they had 5th freedoms

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 17):
...unfortunately, New Orleans' Parisian nonstop service has never been to CDG

And this is a bad thing? ORY is closer to town

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 23):
San Diego lost British Airways in 2003 (I believe). BA valiantly tried to maintain the service, but the revenue just wasn't there. Y class went out filled, but the premium cabin couldn't keep up.

Actually, the issue was not the passenger cabin, but rather cargo
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 24):
I remember my uncle saying something about MKE-FRA on LH back in the 80s or something. Who knows? Was he just sniffing fumes?

For one summer about 15-18 years ago there was once-weekly MKE-FRA service. It was essentially a scheduled charter flown with a 757 (or was it a 767) out of the United gate D33 or D35 in Milwaukee. Arrivals, of course, came to the Int'l Arrivals building.

I don't recall who flew it...LTU?...but it didn't return after that first summer. I believe the filghts filled well with package tour people, but one questions the point of once-a-week seasonal service. The fixed costs of running this service only got to be spread over perhaps a dozen or two total flights.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:53 pm

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 27):
For one summer about 15-18 years ago there was once-weekly MKE-FRA service. It was essentially a scheduled charter flown with a 757 (or was it a 767) out of the United gate D33 or D35 in Milwaukee. Arrivals, of course, came to the Int'l Arrivals building.

Very interesting. And WOW do I wish that was still around today, I bet it would be nice to fly from Milwaukee right to Europe.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:01 pm

ANC used to have many services direct to European cities, the majority of them being flights stopping en-route from the Far East.

Western Airlines (anyone remember them?) also flew direct from LGW-HNL for a short period. However, they used the wrong aircraft (DC10-10) on the route and a refuel stop was always necessary (ANC I think).
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:27 pm

Nashville used to have AA nonstops to LGW but no longer has anything over the Atlantic.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:30 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 22):
Your right Mark, I am thinking of FRA right? The one TWA was going to start? Is that right?

Yes.. that is correct. It was in the system and available for booking as of Winter 2000...service was scheduled to begin in June of 2001, but then the AA takeover was announced in Jan of 2001 and thus it was never started.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 25):
Also, I've read on A.net that Corsair once service ORY non-stop from OAK, correct?

That's right! I flew on the OAK-PPT segment, but it orginated in ORY. The flight was packed!
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:30 pm

TWA did fly STL-FRA in the 80's, then replaced it with a one-stop over LGW, then discontinued it altogether. They had applied for STL-MAD in the 90's but were denied the authority by Spain.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:44 pm

I can sort of recall TWA operating transatlantic (LGW?) service from MCI in the late 1970's/early 1980's. Is my memory faulty?
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:48 pm

If I remember right, TWA was awared MCI-LGW but never operated it due to their focus on STL.
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 34):
I can sort of recall TWA operating transatlantic (LGW?) service from MCI in the late 1970's/early 1980's. Is my memory faulty?

For a time I believe they did MCI-ORD-LHR with the MCI-ORD tag being L1011, so it was sort of same-plane through service MCI-London. But I don't recall seeing anything that flew MCI-LGW nonstop.
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
DTW (maybe YIP) and CLE used to have JAT flights.

What did JAT fly across the pond?

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 4):
CLT used to have service from BA to LGW and LH to FRA.

I wasn't aware that LH cancelled their service into CLT. When did that happen?
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:22 am

RDU used to have service to ORY.. (or was it CDG) but it was pulled...
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 16):
AA once did BNA-LGW with a 767

For some reason, I think that was on a DC-10.

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Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:59 am

BCAL

When WA flew LGW-ANC-HNL there was no such thing as the "right" aircraft for LGW-HNL nonstop because no one had that range. The route could have worked as an opportunity for Brits (and other Europeans as well) to take a winter break in Hawaii or a summer one in Alaska. Western also flew DEN-LGW for a short period.
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:27 am

I believe CityBird offered OAK-BRU and MCO-BRU service around the mid 90's.
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting A999 (Reply 40):
When WA flew LGW-ANC-HNL there was no such thing as the "right" aircraft for LGW-HNL nonstop because no one had that range. The route could have worked as an opportunity for Brits (and other Europeans as well) to take a winter break in Hawaii or a summer one in Alaska. Western also flew DEN-LGW for a short period.

Didn't Aloha also fly HNL-ANC-FRA with a DC8 back in the days?
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:41 am

A999

I seem to recall that there were passenger load penalties on WA's flights from LGW-ANC-HNL as they used the DC10-10 rather than the DC10-30 that was also available at that time.

I forgot about Western's DEN-LGW service.

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Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:50 am

The PIT transatlatic services that no longer exist were:

TW PIT-LGW L10
TW PIT-FRA L10
BA PIT-LGW 763
BA PIT-PHL-LHR L10
BA PIT-IAD-LHR 744/742
BA PIT-YUL-LHR (or was it YMX?) L10/742
US PIT-LGW A330
US PIT-CDG 762
US PIT-FRA A330
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 37):
What did JAT fly across the pond?

DC-10s from Belgrade and Zagreb

Seem to remember also that there were charters from OAK to LGW and MAN in the early 80s. No idea who operated them though.
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 45):

Very interesting. I didn't know they had DC10s. Are they / is it still in the fleet? And did they only fly to DTW and CLE?
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:07 am

A few routes to AMS that are discontinued:

NW PHL-AMS DC10
KL MCO-AMS A3??
KL MIA-AMS MD11/B767-300
NW MIA-AMS DC10
KL BWI-AMS ??
KL ANC-AMS B747-200/300/400
MP FLL-AMS ??
MP RSW_AMS ??
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:09 am

ERJ170,

RDU was connected to ORY, by AA.
Saint-Louis was indeed linked by TWA to CDG.
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 38):
RDU used to have service to ORY.. (or was it CDG) but it was pulled...

It was ORY, and one of the reasons it was pulled was AA not wanting to switch
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