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EMB 170-What Is Financial Benefit To Airlines

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:29 am

I am curious to hear the thoughts of the EMB 170 fans on what are the projected improvements to the operating costs to the operators of this aircraft, especially versus the CRJ 700/900.

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RE: EMB 170:

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:46 am

There are three ways of looking at this plane:

A- Operator is replacing ERJs or CRJs. In this case the advantage is in offering a vastly improved cabin and lower seat mile costs (relative to the 50 seaters). Seat mile costs are higher than the CRJ-700 as far as I know, so picking the E-170 over the CRJ-700 is betting on commanding a premium in terms of fares due to the much better passenger experience.

B- Operator is replacing larger narrowbodies. The cost gains from replacing either a large aircraft that is operating at low load factors or older aircraft can be significant. This is more the province of the E-190 though.

C- Operator is introducing a route that was not practical with previous equipment. Again, more the province of the larger members of the family. This is when the existing aircraft are too large to offer decent frequency and the RJs are either limited by range or too expensive on a seat mile basis to make the route viable.

To be honest, I expect every route where an E-jet competes with an RJ to be a blowout in terms of passenger preference.

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RE: EMB 170-What Is Financial Benefit To Airlines

Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:02 am

So how would the 190/195 compare to the 717 in terms of operational costs? For an operator like NW, which has a huge DC-9 fleet, the ROI must be pretty spectacular.

Are there any plans for a 50 seat version to replace the EMB 145?
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RE: EMB 170-What Is Financial Benefit To Airlines

Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:39 am

Are there any plans for a 50 seat version to replace the EMB 145?


The 50 seat jet market is gone. It will be 70+ seat jet, and below will be turboprops...
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RE: EMB 170-What Is Financial Benefit To Airlines

Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 1):
Seat mile costs are higher than the CRJ-700 as far as I know, so picking the E-170 over the CRJ-700 is betting on commanding a premium in terms of fares due to the much better passenger experience.

The seat mile costs are actually only a penny apart and the ERJ is more comfortable, a lot more comfortable. I'd pay the extra penny a mile. The interior is more flexible with no over wing exits so an airline could rmove seats and bump up the seat pitch on a high density route with solid profit margins.
 
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RE: EMB 170-What Is Financial Benefit To Airlines

Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Thread starter):
I am curious to hear the thoughts of the EMB 170 fans on what are the projected improvements to the operating costs to the operators of this aircraft, especially versus the CRJ 700/900.

Low CASM, low load factor, lower fuel consunption(2% better than Embraer previewed)
Sharper, more confortable plane, but that, is more to us, a.netter plane fans.
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RE: EMB 170-What Is Financial Benefit To Airlines

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):
The seat mile costs are actually only a penny apart and the ERJ is more comfortable, a lot more comfortable. I'd pay the extra penny a mile. The interior is more flexible with no over wing exits so an airline could rmove seats and bump up the seat pitch on a high density route with solid profit margins.

Which is another way of saying exacly what I did  Wink

I've flown the CRJ and the E70, no comparison.

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