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Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:28 am

 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:32 am

This is going to get a lot ugly before it gets pretty again.

[Edited 2005-07-23 00:33:53]
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 1):
The guy that wrote the headline ought to be shot. The bill is about DAL.

Are you able to read? This particular bill is a response to the Inhofe-sponsored bill to close DAL. Hensarling is sponsoring a bill to close TUL as a swipe at Inhofe and to point out how ludicrous it would be to close DAL.
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:42 am

Sometimes, to get attention, you have to say outrageous things, no matter how ridiculous the rest of the world thinks it is.

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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:00 am

I love it, I think its great  Smile
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:42 am

That's cute...typical politics!

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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:03 am

If the Wright Amendment were repealed, Inhofe says Oklahoma airports would be harmed because it would allow Southwest Airlines could make long-haul flights instead of stopping neighboring states first, reducing the number of flights coming through Tulsa and Oklahoma City.

Now, I'm confused. Doesn't Wright prohibit WN from selling tickets to DAL from non-adjacent states even if they stop in Oklahoma or other adjacent states?
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:14 am

>> PROSA Reply 6 >> Now, I'm confused. Doesn't Wright prohibit WN from selling tickets to DAL from non-adjacent states even if they stop in Oklahoma or other adjacent states?

The W.A. does, indeed, prevent WN from marketing or selling ticket iteneraries that depart from DAL and end anywhere outside the one-state perimeter, even if a stop is made in an adjacent state. This is one of the most rediculous aspects of the W.A. as WN cannot sell tickets like:

DAL-ABQ-LAS or DAL-OKC-MDW or DAL-MSY-MCO
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 6):
Doesn't Wright prohibit WN from selling tickets to DAL from non-adjacent states even if they stop in Oklahoma or other adjacent states?

Yes, but people can buy seperate tickets, which are actually often cheaper than buying tickets with AA out of DFW.

BTW, I cannot stand the senator who is sponsoring this bill (for other reasons, as I do think the WA sucks), but this is too damn funny
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:40 am

In response to Senator Jim Inhofe's support of a bill to force Southwest Airlines out of Love Field, a Texas senator is sponsoring a bill to shut down commercial airline flights to Tulsa International Airport.
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Last I checked, Jeb Hensarling represents Texas 5 in the US House.

Am I missing something or does Tulsa’s local ABC affiliate need to go on a fact finding mission?



Republican Senator Jeb Hensarling has named his bill the "What's Love Got To Do With It" Act.


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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:36 am

This is so ridiculous, why the hell would a Texas Senator want to close TUL? So ridiculous it's almost funny.
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:00 pm

so we have DAL, TUL, and JFK all closing!  Wink

Well, it'll help "overcapacity" (another big joke in the industry) Big grin
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 10):
This is so ridiculous, why the hell would a Texas Senator want to close TUL? So ridiculous it's almost funny.

He is not a senator; the article is incorrect, he is a member of the HOuse, and his bill is in response to Oklahoma's Senator Inhofe proposing a bill to close DAL.

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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:27 pm

Next thing you know Rep. Betty McCollum from St. Paul, MN, will introduce a bill to close MSP because she thinks STP should get all the traffic.

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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At T

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:45 pm

I thought I read something in the AZ Republic about Rep. Jeff Flake introducing a bill to close down TUS on the grounds that "Everybody can just drive up to PHX. I mean, so many of them do it already."
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:10 pm

Do they really have nothing better to do? This whole thing is sad and a waste of everyone's time.
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:02 pm

Nice way of showing just how silly the whole situation with DAL has become.
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:29 pm

I would bet that Hensarling's probable opponents will be able to make plenty of points with this bill at Hensarlings expense in the next election. It will be funny.
"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:44 am

Oklahoma Congressmen Not Laughing About TIA Legislation

Courtesy: KTUL-TV

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0705/245957.html
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:00 am

Wow, the first interesting thing my Congressman has ever done  Smile I still do not like him, but I think it is funny! And Lt. AWACS and Flying Texan are correct: Hensarling is not a Senator, he poorly represents the 5th District of Texas.

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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:43 am

Boy this whole Wright Ammement thing has sure stirred up the pot. Big ripple effects.  bomb 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:08 am

Can someone explain the Wright Amendment to me, I've never really understood it.
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:21 am

Dallas and Fort Worth were told by the Government to build a airport serving both cities. Dallas Love had all or most of the commerical flights. Fort Worth Airport had little. Dallas and Fort Worth do not like each other and for Dallas to get all the airline traffic did not sit well with the good people of Fort Worth.
Dallas and Fort Worth sank a lot of money into the DFW project and the stipulation of the building of DFW was that Dallas Love would no longer have commerical flights because Fort Worth did not want to pay for this beast and still have Dallas operating a airport. Dallas Love flights ceased in October 1973 when DFW was officially opened all the airlines left Dallas Love and moved to DFW, except one, SOUTHWEST. Southwest did not want to go to DFW and after court battles it was agreed that Southwest could operate at Dallas Love but only to the states that surrounded Texas and not beyond that. Fort Worth did not want Dallas Love to have service beyond the border states. The Wright Amendment, named after a Texas Politician was born. Houston, Chicago, New York have multiple airports with no restrictions because they don't share their metropolitan area with another major city that involves a downright ugly competition and mud slinging. I'm not from Texas and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so someone from the metro area can probably go into more detail of this mess...
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:35 am

CJPark writes in, and I quote: >>"I would bet that Hensarling's probable opponents will be able to make plenty of points with this bill at Hensarlings expense in the next election. It will be funny.<<

Most recent election returns:

>> U. S. Representative District 5
Jeb Hensarling(I) REP 148,816 64.46%
Bill Bernstein DEM 75,911 32.88%
John Gonzalez LIB 6,118 2.65%
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Race Total 230,845 <<

CJP:

do you really think that the folks who live in east and southeast Dallas County, as well as the residents of the following rural counties - Robertson, Madison, Falls, Freestone, Leon, Limestone, Anderson, Henderson - will really be perturbed that someone is trying to defend Southwest Airlines & Love Field?

do you really think that anyone is liable to overcome a 2-to-1 edge and the power of incumbency?

You really don't get the demographic, do you? Hensarling's Dallas County vote base is clearly aligned with the "keep Love Field open...in fact expand it more" mindset.

These are people of modest means who really, really like Southwest (sort of like the Academy Awards committee and Sally Field, but I digress)

Bottom Line: Hensarling gets re-elected easily. The person who should be afraid...be very very very afraid....is the representative from the 6th District.

Despite its Republican tendencies, Texas' 6th Congressional District could probably be persuaded to go back to the D column. All you'd need to do is take a conservative Republican, have him switch parties, dump a whole lot of campaign money on him (hello? Southwest Airlines Pilot Association PAC? Southwest Airlines Freedom Fund?)....oh and it might not hurt if the guy was also a Texas Aggie (just like Barton) AND a retired Army Officer and Iraq War vet. THAT might make for an interesting race.

Hensarling" His seat is safe. No problem. In fact, if anything, his district probably thinks he failed to go far enough. Instead of just closing Tulsa, his bill should have closed both OKC and Tulsa and dictated that all Oklahoma air traffic be funneled thru Stillwater, Perry, or maybe McAlester.
 
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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 14):
I thought I read something in the AZ Republic about Rep. Jeff Flake introducing a bill to close down TUS on the grounds that "Everybody can just drive up to PHX. I mean, so many of them do it already."

TUS is a much quieter airport than PHX. And about 3.5 million people a year do not drive to PHX and fly from here.

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Inhofe says if the Wright Amendment is repealed, it would put Southwest Airlines -- a discount carrier -- and American Airlines, which has a huge maintenance base in Tulsa in direct competition.

OH NO!!!! God forbid that direct (fair) competition is a bad thing!

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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:46 am

Quoting PilotParis (Reply 21):
Can someone explain the Wright Amendment to me, I've never really understood it.

http://www.fightwright.org/

http://www.setlovefree.com/




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RE: Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL

Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:04 am

Sorry but after going back and reading the posts I just had to answer this one. Sorry for bringing up old topics nut I got a real kick out of my friends reply to an earlier post of mine.


CJPark writes in, and I quote: >>"I would bet that Hensarling's probable opponents will be able to make plenty of points with this bill at Hensarlings expense in the next election. It will be funny.<<

Most recent election returns:

>> U. S. Representative District 5
Jeb Hensarling(I) REP 148,816 64.46%
Bill Bernstein DEM 75,911 32.88%
John Gonzalez LIB 6,118 2.65%
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Race Total 230,845 <<

CJP:

do you really think that the folks who live in east and southeast Dallas County, as well as the residents of the following rural counties - Robertson, Madison, Falls, Freestone, Leon, Limestone, Anderson, Henderson - will really be perturbed that someone is trying to defend Southwest Airlines & Love Field?
>>>Hensarling rode GW’s coat tails into office and will likely follow him out of office as well. Now don’t get the wrong idea I am a fan of GW. But you should remember that in politics anything can happen. The rural counties would probably appreciate more attention to the issues that affect them (Agriculture, Oil and Gas exploration and production issues) rather than fighting for an airline that is all ready successful. His next opponent may just be that good old boy the rural voters identify with.


do you really think that anyone is liable to overcome a 2-to-1 edge and the power of incumbency?
Anything is possible in politics. Hell we elected Clinton and Carter didn’t we?

You really don't get the demographic, do you? Hensarling's Dallas County vote base is clearly aligned with the "keep Love Field open...in fact expand it more" mindset.
>>>I would love to know how you can say that with any certainty. Poll numbers? Who ran the poll and where are the results published? Sounds like a typical WN talking point nothing more nothing less. Clearly you must have a source of information to back up this statement?

These are people of modest means who really, really like Southwest (sort of like the Academy Awards committee and Sally Field, but I digress)
>>> Again how can you make this statement with any certainty?

Bottom Line: Hensarling gets re-elected easily. The person who should be afraid...be very very very afraid....is the representative from the 6th District.

Despite its Republican tendencies, Texas' 6th Congressional District could probably be persuaded to go back to the D column. All you'd need to do is take a conservative Republican, have him switch parties, dump a whole lot of campaign money on him (hello? Southwest Airlines Pilot Association PAC? Southwest Airlines Freedom Fund?)....oh and it might not hurt if the guy was also a Texas Aggie (just like Barton) AND a retired Army Officer and Iraq War vet. THAT might make for an interesting race.
>>> Lets see Barton’s largest population base is Tarrant County. I think he is aware of what is important to his constituents. Are you thinking of running for Congress?

Your comments on the PAC influence is the best reason that I can think of that Johnson and Hensarling sponsored this freedom to fly act anyway. Johnson is ready to retire and may or may not run next election. Who in their right mind would want to anger the rest of the North Texas Delegation? Someone who doesn't have to care anymore?

Funny thing Delays defense fund got a big donation the day he came out for the Wright Repeal. Guess who gave it to him?

Hensarling" His seat is safe. No problem. In fact, if anything, his district probably thinks he failed to go far enough. Instead of just closing Tulsa, his bill should have closed both OKC and Tulsa and dictated that all Oklahoma air traffic be funneled thru Stillwater, Perry, or maybe McAlester.

>>> Hensarlings seat is not safe as he would like to think it is. Concerning his bill to close the Tulsa Airport whether in retaliation or in jest was in poor taste. His next opponent would be foolish not to capitalize on it.
"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart