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747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:37 pm

I flew Air Pacific on 744 and the entire upper deck was economy. I have flown 744 on UL 2x trans-pac and it was first or business. I guess the question is what other carries have the upper deck with coach seats.
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:51 pm

I've flown economy on the upper deck of JAL 744s both internationally and on Japanese domestic flights. I'm a big fan of upper deck economy, It somehow feels much more roomy, plus there's luggage storage space along the windows. The smaller cabin often means better inflight service too. (then good service is typical of JAL...)
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:04 pm

Quoting CX777FAN (Reply 1):

exactly the same impression i got flying cattle class on JAL upper deck.very comfy
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:10 pm

Af will have all eco seats on the upper deck of their B747 with the new cabin layout call NEV.
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:28 pm

Another layout that I've enjoyed is Y seats in the nose of the lower deck on AI 743 combi and KE 742. Very quiet and also spacious with no centre row.
 
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:33 pm

SA have them on the upper deck, with a greater seat pitch as well - compared to the main deck Y-class.


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Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:11 pm

The new configuration of Air NZ will give room for some Premium Economy seats but having a partition between the Business and the Premium Economy will make it look extremely small.
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:08 pm

Iran Air has economy in the upper deck, too. At least I saw that on board of their 747SP.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:09 pm

Air Atlanta operate a few 743s with one-class layouts, so I guess that would include them...
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:30 pm

Quoting CX777FAN (Reply 1):
I've flown economy on the upper deck of JAL 744s both internationally and on Japanese domestic flights. I'm a big fan of upper deck economy, It somehow feels much more roomy, plus there's luggage storage space along the windows. The smaller cabin often means better inflight service too. (then good service is typical of JAL...)



Quoting Justplanecrazy (Reply 2):
exactly the same impression i got flying cattle class on JAL upper deck.very comfy

Agreed .

I was fortunate enough to fly JAL to asia from JFK on the upper deck on miles from AA . Let me tell you it was a blast . The service , seats/pitch , FA's  eyepopping  , food and entertainment were suburb for economy.

Very cozy up there , quiet too ! Best international flight I have ever been on !

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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:30 am

Ansett's 744's used to have Y-class seats on their upper deck.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:54 am

BA used to have World Traveller upstairs on an assorted lot of 747's back in late 80's, early 90's.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:11 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
BA used to have World Traveller upstairs on an assorted lot of 747's back in late 80's, early 90's.

Even up until the summer of 2001...don't remember how much further than that.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Mymiles2go (Reply 12):
BA used to have World Traveller upstairs on an assorted lot of 747's back in late 80's, early 90's.

We were supposed to fly BA economy upper deck in 1999 from BOS to LHR on a 742 classic but at the last minute the switched to a 744. I think most airlines only had it on their classics, not 744s...but i don't know.
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:37 am

Swissair had it on their 743s for a while but later reconfigured. I remember sitting in economy on the upper deck on JFK-ZRH in 1988, then in 1995 I sat on the upper deck again on ZRH-JFK but that time it was business class. The only other time I've sat up there in Y class was on JAL, though I know SAA has it as well, as others have mentioned.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:43 am

I remember BA and AF 742s having them, though in the early 90s I flew a BA 744 (G-BNLN) that had Y-class on top. It was crowded and messy, people on the emergency rows sitting on the floor playing cards, etc.

Varig had them only on their 747-300 Combis, IIRC.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
BA used to have World Traveller upstairs on an assorted lot of 747's back in late 80's, early 90's

Pre-cradle seat (the seat that came before the flat-bed) I think most of the BA 747's had convertible seats upstairs. They could be 3 x 3 economy seats or 2 x 2 Club (super Club/Elizabethan?) seats depending on the need of a particular flight segment.

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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 10):
Ansett's 744's used to have Y-class seats on their upper deck.

I thought they only had 747-300s?
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:03 pm

ANA had economy seating on its upper deck 747s between Tokyo and Guam. It was cool to sit up there. But I like the UA Business upper deck much better!

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Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:12 pm

I flew on JAL's 744 JA8901 and JA8902. JA8901 has economy seats on the upper deck but JA8902 doesn't . Probably the aircraft is due for a C or D-check soon.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:43 pm

Two summers ago, LY converted two of their 744s to all-economy configuration. They therefore had economy class upstairs. Kinda cool to visit this usually off-limits zone!
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:47 pm

some of JALs 743s had coach upstairs, i know one of the ones i flew on did, because i sat up there, ship 8177, absolutely heavenly. the small cabin made you feel like you were on your own private airliner, great views and very little noise, i know RAM's 744 also has coach seats upstairs, again because i flew up there. it made a huge difference as the ride from JFK to Morocco was the bumpiest ride i've ever taken in my life, i can't imagine what the ride was like downstairs, but we definitely felt it upstairs, and i don't think you usually feel turbulence up there the same way you do downstairs. funny, though, my mom didn't like it! she thought the cabin was too cramped and she didn't like the side bins. personally, i liked them, because they seem bigger and its alot more convenient, especially if you're in a window seat.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:03 pm

In 1991 Swissair had y-class on uper deck. I flew on SR282 from Nairobi to Zurich B747-357 HB-IGG.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:11 pm

Can anyone explain the rationale for upper-deck economy? Why did these airlines choose that layout?
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
BA used to have World Traveller upstairs on an assorted lot of 747's back in late 80's, early 90's

I flew G-AWNA summer 1995, SEA to LHR, seated top deck. First time up there during flight, and must say that the takeoff roll was very gentle, none of that usual "rattle" that you feel and hear when downstairs and near main gear...

Same bird had brought me back from MIA to LHR in 1986, didn't know that top deck can be so comfy...

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Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:52 am

I remember flying on Swissair SR170 from BOM-HKG back in 1994. It was near the new year and there were these shiny stars on the ceiling which really gave the cabin a festive feel. I really liked the side storage bins, and a landing at Kai Tak when viewed from the upper deck of a B743..... priceless!

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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 25):
Swissair

I forgot Swissair, their N221GF should be counted too...

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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:49 am

I flew SAA PER/JNB in upper deck economy - Superb flight, bags of room and great service, shame I can't say that about the dreadful SA immigration shambles when we arrived.......
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting LHMark (Reply 23):
Why did these airlines choose that layout?

I can't tell you for all airlines but for JAL, the high densite configuration always have economy on the 2nd floor.

Ones that I have taken are JA8088, JA8089, JA8901, JA8917, JA8920, JA8921. They are deployed on routes like YVR, AMS, LAS and so. The flights that JL uses on it's SYD runs I think also have economy on the upper deck. In addition, they have a small galley so they can only serve 1 hot meal.

JA8079, JA8914, JA8916 and some other ones that I have taken have F, C. But in most cases the ones that have economy on the second floor only are configured in two classes. C in the A compartment and Y on all others.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:30 am

PIA carries economy seats in the upper deck on all its 747 varients.
 
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:47 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
Quoting QFA380 (Reply 10):
Ansett's 744's used to have Y-class seats on their upper deck.

I thought they only had 747-300s?

They exchanged the 743's for 2 ex SQ 744's.

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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:36 am

when NW first got their 744s I flew one MSP to DTW upstairs, its been over 15 years now but I could have sworn it was Y up there and not biz.
 
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 10):
Ansett's 744's used to have Y-class seats on their upper deck.

Their 743s did too. A lot of people enjoyed going upstairs in Y and was much talked about.
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RE: 747 Carriers Who Have Economy Seats On Upper Deck

Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:32 pm

QF in the latter days anyway had Y upstairs on the 74L and 742.

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