Udo
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Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:36 am

According to Jean-Cyril Spinetta, CEO of Air France-KLM, Air France expects to take delivery of its first A380 by October 2007. Read more:

http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxn...3&subject=companies&action=article

Asked at today's AGM about the A380 deliveries, Spinetta said: "In principle it
was to be April 1, 2007. That will be delayed by six months compared to the
expected timetable."



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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:38 am

What routes will AF use their A380s on to start with?
 
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:44 am

CDG-LUX shuttle service, mostly...
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:53 am

I am pretty sure that they will expect their first A380 by 2007 but I am not so sure if they will accept it by then  Wink
I think that they will do but who knows maybe they have to be some little repairs to be done untill AF finally accepts it -maybe Airbus has to wash it first or anything like that  Wink
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:57 am

CDG-LUX or CDG-LAX?

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Udo
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting Kykevin54 (Reply 1):
What routes will AF use their A380s on to start with?

New York-JFK, Montreal, Tokyo and Beijing have been repeatedly mentioned by AF.


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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:44 am

i fit was LUX wonder if it would take longer to take a train. We are counting getting to airport, checking in, boarding, take off and flight, deboard, get luggage (yours is in the middle so number 234), from airport to place.

Train going from home to trainstation, train (3hrs and 54 min according to sncf.com), getting from station to location.

or simply drive paris to luxemburg.

what do you think?
 
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:37 am

In my opinion, CDG-MEX is also a viable candidate. With current 11x weekly service (7x 772ER and 4x 747), AF might consider sending here the A380 a few times a week.
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 200

Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:40 am

Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 6):
Train going from home to trainstation, train (3hrs and 54 min according to sncf.com), getting from station to location.

And as we are speaking of October 2007, don't forget that, with the new high speed line presently in construction between Paris and the eastern part of France, due to open on June 15th 2007, the travel time between Paris and Luxembourg in TGV will be down from the 3hrs 54 you mention to 2hrs 15 only.  Smile

Experience on other high speed lines has shown that modal repartition between train and plane goes from 60% (train)-40% (plane) for a station to station running time of 3 hours to 90% (train) - 10% (plane) for a station running time of 2 hours.

So the 380 on CDG-LUX is definitely a no.  Wink
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:41 am

There have also been talks about AF sending the A380 to GIG once a week during high season. GIG is a very lucrative market for AF.
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
New York-JFK, Montreal, Tokyo and Beijing have been repeatedly mentioned by AF.

Along with Los Angeles, Miami, and Delhi.
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:09 am

You guys have no sense of humor!

And to prove it, I stand by my "prediction" that the AF A380 will fly 8x daily CDG-LUX. That routes just been dying for 1.5 million pax a year service!

As long as the entire population of the country wants to visit Paris 3 times a year by air, this route should work out just fine...
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:52 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 9):
There have also been talks about AF sending the A380 to GIG once a week during high season. GIG is a very lucrative market for AF.

Agree. Loads for GIG-CDG with the new 744 NEV concept is 93% and also, AF is enter an agreement with G3 (Gol) to code-share some brazilian destinations like CNF, BSB, VIX, SSA, POA and REC thru GIG that could become reality in two or three months. It can increase loads even more (note that Biz loads are much closer to 100%) and create three additional frequencies for GIG on the next months after G3 code share. If AF increase the flights to GIG, it can use the A380 on CDG-GIG in the future.
Rio has a "love case" with AF (also AF takes care of Rio and GIG as a primary market even not so biz as others). Rio has received the first new lounge on the world (even CDG received the new lounge after GIG) and also the first 744 NEV in the Americas and one of the first in the world.

Hope to see this bird on GIG one day.

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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:17 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
You guys have no sense of humor!

I knew you were joking. The Paris-Luxembourg shuttle? Whom are you kidding?

Surely you meant LAX and not LUX!

You know, the "a" key is far from the "u" key, no matter what computer keyboard you have!

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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 13):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
You guys have no sense of humor!

This is not my words, its from Ikramerica (reply 11), seems to be a mistake on the system.

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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:17 pm

AF aims to increase its capacity to both GRU and GIG by adding a second DAILY flight (a day flight from CDG).

AF would use the A380 to GIG ONLY if they can't get more traffic rights to add those frequencies.
 
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:02 pm

In all of Latin America, only MEX and GRU will see A380 service. (just my opinion)
 
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:00 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 15):
AF aims to increase its capacity to both GRU and GIG by adding a second DAILY flight (a day flight from CDG).

AF would use the A380 to GIG ONLY if they can't get more traffic rights to add those frequencies.

FlySSC, agree. AF operates nowadays 14 frequencies (which will be increased to 17 with the new daily CDG-GRU three times per week). RG+JJ (Brazilian side) operates 21 frequencies. I don't know if AF will be allowed to operate 28 frequencies, but probably they could apply for 21 (so they have 4 available).
And with a load of 93% on GIG (744) and 92% on GRU (772), AF needs to increase the service.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 16):
In all of Latin America, only MEX and GRU will see A380 service. (just my opinion)

Juventus, i respect your opinion, but i think that GIG is also a strong market for AF and as nowadays they are using the big plane available on this route (while GRU uses a 772 and could be improved tin favor of 773). Also GIG does not hold so many non stop int'l service which means that AF do not face competitors (on GRU JJ offer 2 daily GRU-CDG and RG one more). Also the partnership between Gol (G3) and AF will allow connections from GIG to some cities (now AF service to GIG is only to Rio). It's also my opinion.

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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:56 am

Juventus,

GRU needs definitely a second AF DAILY flight from/to CDG, more than the use of bigger plane.
The A380 would suit more GIG than GRU.
 
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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:26 am

AF will be using the Engine Alliance option, right? Is the first A380 with these engines in the pipeline yet? Anybody have an informed idea when the first flight might be?

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RE: Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007

Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 19):
AF will be using the Engine Alliance option, right? Is the first A380 with these engines in the pipeline yet?

Yes, they will use the GP powerplants, as well as Emirates and FedEx. No idea about first flight.


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