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JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:51 am

JetBlue 36 is now airborne and declaring an emergency back to JFK. I wanted to see if anyone could find out what's happening. I will post more information as I get it.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:01 am

JetBlue is now on a dedicated freq and is off the normal tower channel for JFK. I still don't know what's happening, but they have taken a path over the water for about 15 minutes now, probably dumping fuel. Their flight plan is now officially changed back to JFK.

If anyone knows anything else, please post. I'd like to see what's happening. Hope everything's ok.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:02 am

JFK tower can be heard here:

http://audio.liveatc.net:8012/jfk_twr.m3u

Haven't heard anything about it yet.

EDIT: Well, hearing that about the dedicated freq, that link is useless for this situation.  crazy 

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[Edited 2005-07-25 04:03:38]
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:05 am

Yeah, that's what I've been listening to. It's how I heard of it all at first, until they switched freq's. They may be on departure now because they're so far out in the water, but I'm not sure. The last thing I heard was that they were switching to some freq, but I couldn't make it out.

Ok, the flight just checked back in with tower and is about to make a low approach. I'm guessing gear trouble or something of the sort that would warrant a low pass over the tower.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:08 am

Just announced gear down in normal position.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:08 am

Yeah...its confirmed. The flight has a gear problem and is doing a low pass to get tower to check it out. Tower just came across saying that they can see the front gear light on and the gear is down and locked.

All emergency vehicles are now on the runway for confirmation as well. JetBlue 36 will be doing an emergency landing.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:09 am

Yea you can hear them on JFK Tower
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:09 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 1):
probably dumping fuel.

I don't believe A320s are equipped with fuel dump systems...  Wink
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:09 am

Just heard that JetBlue 36 is going to make a low approach. They must be having some sort of hydraulic or electrical problem. On the low approach the tower said they could see the landing lights and the gear appeared to be in normal position. Maintenance is attempting to relay a message to them right now.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:10 am

Yeah, just got it. Seems that the emergency vehicles are in the normal positions on the runway and confirmed the tower's view. Hope the landing works out. Guess we'll see. Probably just a faulty annunciator.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 7):

Really? I honestly didn't know that. Hmm, learn something new everyday.  Big grin
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:13 am

Airport: New York, NY (JFK) Rochester, NY (ROC)
Scheduled Time: 8:15 pm, Jul 24 9:35 pm, Jul 24
Actual Time: 8:58 pm, Jul 24 (Actual) 10:23 pm, Jul 24 (Estimated)
Gate: 02 N/A
Status: In Air at an altitude of 7900 feet and ground speed of 250 KTS


Hmm, find a replacement? It seems a little to quick to get a new one, or are they just super quick?




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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:13 am

I thought was true with all Airbus not being able to dump fuel.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:14 am

I think that's just a delayed listing of the one we're talking about, before it declared itself.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 10):
Really? I honestly didn't know that. Hmm, learn something new everyday.

It's mainly older aircraft (707, DC8, 727, L1011, DC10, 747) and others capable of longer-haul flights. I believe it's an option on the 767, and 777, and I'm not sure about the larger models. The 757, 737, DC9, and A320 don't have them...
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:18 am

Just cleared to land 22L
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:18 am

JetBlue 36 has been cleared to land and has three in the green.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:18 am

They said they have "three in the green," which I assume means they are indicating all gear down and locked.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:18 am

Ok, flight just reported three in the green for their gear and are about to make an emergency landing on RWY 22 with emergency vehicles standing by...
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:19 am

Yup, and they just confirmed the 3 green. Amazing, I hope everything goes ok!
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:19 am

Haha, guess we're all listening now...
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:21 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 14):
It's mainly older aircraft (707, DC8, 727, L1011, DC10, 747) and others capable of longer-haul flights. I believe it's an option on the 767, and 777, and I'm not sure about the larger models. The 757, 737, DC9, and A320 don't have them...

Hmm, good to know. I didn't think a smaller A320 would have the need for it, but I didn't know if they may have put it on or not. Good to know though.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:21 am

Haha, guess we're all listening now...

Haha, it's pretty funny if you look at the times of the posts. I wonder if the pilot knows he has such a big audience.  Smile

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:21 am

Landed safely  Smile

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:22 am

sounds like theyre okay!
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:22 am

Haha, I bet they don't realize the traffic is broadcast over the net.


Okay, flight landed, seems to be okay.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:22 am

Just landed safely and is taxing on Zulu...moving the trucks for them to taxi off the runway.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:23 am

Seems like they'll stick around on the taxiway for a sec....

Whoa, JetBlue 36 didn't clear the active and now has another flight going around! Man, little bit of action in JFK tonight.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:24 am

Did I hear this correctly The Tower told someone to shut up
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:24 am

Someone had a go-around. Changed frequencies. Also, runway closed?


[Edit, beat on the go-around!]

[Edited 2005-07-25 04:25:08]
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:25 am

They just sent a plane on the go around that was on final for the same runway that JetBlue 36 landed. It appears they are having problems getting it off the runway and have just closed the runway.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:25 am

I believed a CX flight had to go around for the the B6 36 not clearing the runway. I didn't get that the runway was closed, though
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:25 am

Cathay 084 just went around.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:26 am

The aircraft didn't move off the active and caused a go around. Apparently the Jetblue pilot didn't realize it and the airport manager had to get on yelling at them to get off!

If you listen to the tower, you can tell there's a little bit of extra stress now in their voices after all of this.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 28):
Did I hear this correctly The Tower told someone to shut up

Tower told the airport operations director that if he'd shut up, the Tower could take care of it ("it" being the landing Cathay Pacific heavy jet). He then said, "Cathay 04, go around, 2000 feet, runway heading".
 
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:27 am

Ok I could understand that then.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 33):
Apparently the Jetblue pilot didn't realize it and the airport manager had to get on yelling at them to get off!

Well, he didn't realize that he was still on the wrong side of the hold bar. He had wanted to stay on the runway and let the vehicles have a look at him, but the tower wanted him off so traffic could continue to land.
 
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:29 am

Yeah, tower told the airport manager to shut up so that he could deal with the situation with the B6 flight. (glad someone used their abbrev!) They temp. closed it for two other flight inbound and had them reroute into the normal traffic for the other active's.

You can bet that airport manager will get an ear-full!
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:30 am

Seems like everything is quieting down now. I wish I could hear the conversation later on between the tower guy and the airport manager.

Oh well, interesting night regardless! Cheers to all!  Big grin
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:37 am

Well, a little bit more...the communication between the B6 flight and ground crews seems to be slow and the tower is having to divert a lot of traffic around the taxiway that they're using. Appears to still be a mess, but slowly clearing, especially now that the diverted Cathay 744 has landed and is taxiing a different route.
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:50 am

The B6 flight is apparently now clear of the taxiways and is moving back towards the gate area. It also appears that there is already a replacement flight scheduled and will be departing fairly soon. I guess its a good thing this happened at their hub...nice and smooth rescheduling.

We'll see if anything else happens tonight!
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:53 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 10):
Really? I honestly didn't know that. Hmm, learn something new everyday.

Airbus A340 has it. I'm not sure about the 330.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:00 pm

Yeah, I thought the heavies had it because if they landed with full fuel, the gear requirements would be too heavy to allow the passenger load that they were designed for. I guess the A320 wouldn't have a real need for it, unless they designed the gear for slightly lighter landings when diverting back. If not, its interesting to know about it. I never would have guessed otherwise.

It also seemed that the A320 did a typical zig-zag pattern over the water to dump fuel for about 15-20 minutes before it landed. Of course, if 320's don't have a fuel dump system then they could have been just buying time to contact SA)">B6 engineers or headquarters. I just assumed they were dumping. I'll look into it a little more and see if they actually have one.

Nice picture, by the way! I've always loved the SA colors!  Big grin
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:04 pm

Okay, according to Airbus, the landing weight max is 20,000 lbs. less that max takeoff. So, I would guess that you could assume that on a fully fueled diversion, it would have to be able to dump, right? I hope someone can confirm this...I'm a junkie for the details!

Here's the link for the info:

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...lies/a320/a320/specifications.html

[Edited 2005-07-25 05:07:00]
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:07 pm

But if it was only going to Rochester, it shouldn't have been that heavy.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:10 pm

True. I guess if it didn't have the capability then it must have been running checklists out there over the water. I'll keep looking and see what I can find.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 44):
But if it was only going to Rochester, it shouldn't have been that heavy.

Yes, but if it RON, they might not want to put fuel in it at 6 in the morning  Confused
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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:11 pm

True. I guess if it didn't have the capability then it must have been running checklists out there over the water. I'll keep looking and see what I can find.

Given that they were given their own dedicated frequency while circling, my best guess would be that they were discussing procedures with ground personnel and deciding what the best course of action would be.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:18 pm

What aircraft registration # is that jetBlue #36? I would like to pull up Airliners.net photo in database of that particular aircraft.

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RE: JetBlue Flight 36 Emergency Landing JFK

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:20 pm

Yeah, that's what I was thinking they were doing if they weren't dumping fuel. Although, now I want to find out if A320's are even able to dump fuel, because if one was fully fueled and had to divert back, it would have to have the ability to dump 20,000, or else circle around for quite some time. But, you would think that Airbus would put in the fuel dump system to allow for quick return. My area is military aircraft, so I'm always up for learning some new civilian information.  Big grin

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