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Royal Jordanian Albino

Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:19 pm

why does royal jordanian operate a few a/c in a pretty much all white scheme? are they temporary leases or is it a security measure in a hostile region?
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:35 am

These are usually for flights into Iraq.
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:42 am

Check the reg, the Iraqi flights for RJ carry a ZS- reg (and a very well paid crew).
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:45 am

Well paid !! - I should think so too ............
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:08 pm

i thought so... makes sense though. i didn't know that baghdad airport was repoened though, who else serves it?
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:41 pm

I have flown the white planes to and from Iraq. To restate what everyone else has said; yes, they are there for the extremely lucrative BGW flights. My guess is that that route singlehandedly keeps RJ in the black.
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:46 pm

Royal Jordanian uses an F100 into Baghdad from Amman. They are actually owned and operated by a South african company on behalf of RJ and fly in at night when it is safer.

My brother flies on it regularly.
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:20 pm

It's not an F100... They had leased a F28 from Airquarius Aviation. But I think that they retourned this plane to the owner.

But RJ has also two A321 in "albino" colors - there are leased.
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:24 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
It's not an F100... They had leased a F28 from Airquarius Aviation. But I think that they retourned this plane to the owner.

Sorry my mistake - it was an F28. I didn't realise it had been returned now though. Are RJ flying themselves into Baghdad now?
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:08 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 8):
Are RJ flying themselves into Baghdad now?

No, they still use South Africans.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 6):
They are actually owned and operated by a South african company on behalf of RJ and fly in at night when it is safer.

I don't know about the flying at night part. That was never my experience (Sept. 2003 - June 2004). All my AMM-BGW flights on RJ were morning or midday. Remember that the hair-raising drive on the BGW airport road into the city/Green Zone is more dangerous at night.

Re: the South Africans, yes, the whole crew is South African. The Jordanian gov. has stipulated that no Jordanian nationals may fly or work crew on a flight to Iraq due to security concerns. Ironic that no Jordanians are allowed on a plane w/RJ metal.
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:57 am

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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:57 am

I noticed the plane parked at Baghdad was parked at gate C36. Are there really that many gates there?

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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:49 pm

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 15):
I noticed the plane parked at Baghdad was parked at gate C36. Are there really that many gates there?

just curious

There are many gates there. I can't give an exact number, but at least 40. BGW has three terminals, which are surprisingly modern and in very good condition (albeit mostly unused the last 15 years!).

The terminals are named for Iraqi historical sites - Babel, Nineveh, and I can't remember the third. The RJ albino flights would originate from these terminals. There would be 50 people on the flight, and you'd have an entire terminal to yourself!

Also, there is a duty free shop that does great business, as it (used to be) the only place where you can buy good alcohol in Baghdad. Beer is now available in the Green Zone, but I think you still need to go to the Iraq Duty Free for the hard stuff.

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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:22 am

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Royal Jordanian uses an F100 into Baghdad from Amman. They are actually owned and operated by a South african company on behalf of RJ and fly in at night when it is safer.

The RJ flights usually depart Amman early morning and mid-afternoon. They never fly at night due to security and or nav restrictions.
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:31 am

Why would one want to fly commercially to BGW? Most contractors and such can get to the country on US military transports which in my opinion are much safer.
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:50 pm

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 19):
Why would one want to fly commercially to BGW? Most contractors and such can get to the country on US military transports which in my opinion are much safer.

Not so. The biggest contractors can access the military flights (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) but most of the little guys, which is the majority of contractors, fly commercial. Also, the contractors get low priority on the mil flights, so they're the first off the list if space is tight. Plenty of journalists and Iraqis use the flights to AMM as well. Many from the coalition governments use those flights as well, because the military transports that are available for coalition civilians, only go to KWI (some to DOH).

Also, AMM is a hugely important destination. There's lots of Iraq-related business in AMM, more than anywhere else in the region, so AMM is very popular for contractors and gov. people in Iraq. Even if you can hop a mil flight to KWI, you still have to wait, often overnight, for a connection to AMM. Why do that if you can fly nonstop to AMM on RJ.
The flights are always packed.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
But RJ has also two A321 in "albino" colors - there are leased.

I'd be interested to hear more about these. I have no idea what these are used for. Certainly not for Iraq. At least to my knowledge.

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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 20):
Not so. The biggest contractors can access the military flights (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) but most of the little guys, which is the majority of contractors, fly commercial. Also, the contractors get low priority on the mil flights, so they're the first off the list if space is tight. Plenty of journalists and Iraqis use the flights to AMM as well. Many from the coalition governments use those flights as well, because the military transports that are available for coalition civilians, only go to KWI (some to DOH).

Also, AMM is a hugely important destination. There's lots of Iraq-related business in AMM, more than anywhere else in the region, so AMM is very popular for contractors and gov. people in Iraq. Even if you can hop a mil flight to KWI, you still have to wait, often overnight, for a connection to AMM. Why do that if you can fly nonstop to AMM on RJ.
The flights are always packed.

I'm from a small contractor, and I had the ability to fly mil flights anywhere in the region when I was there. Yes, I did have to wait a few days to catch a flight, but it was free.  Smile
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 15):
There's lots of Iraq-related business in AMM, more than anywhere else in the region, so AMM is very popular for contractors and gov. people in Iraq. Even if you can hop a mil flight to KWI, you still have to wait, often overnight, for a connection to AMM. Why do that if you can fly nonstop to AMM on RJ.

Those who come to KWI are those who require quick and direct access to Basra (approx 150km/90mi to the north of KWI). AMM is quite accessible to Baghdad whereas KWI is used for Southern Iraq access and contractors needing Basra business. Commercial flights into KWI are packed partly due to this reason.
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:33 am

Pardon the curious question, but how in fact does one interface to the RJ flights out of BGW?

So I guess the flights are operated by RJ, but can anyone actually just go ahead and buy a ticket and get access to the airport?

I didn't even think they allowed bona fide commercial operations.

I mean, isn't the airport road outright deadly to travel these days? And there's only a single road to the airport, right? Are any civilians actually braving the trek regardless of the danger???

Or maybe the media is just exaggerating the conditions at BGW...  Confused
 
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RE: Royal Jordanian Albino

Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:17 am

They have 2 A321.

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