EZEIZA
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AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:20 pm

This is getting old, but its still news ...

Anyway, pilots of Aerolineas Argentinas have begun a strike at 06:00 today but have not announced until when the strike will last. They are claiming among other things a 40% increase in their salary. The measure will affect all national and international flights.

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/07/26/um/m-1021393.htm
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/informaciongeneral/nota.asp?nota_id=724623

At EZE, Already several flights have been cancelled, including flight AR1240 to GRU, and although not confirmed (yet), the flight AR 1368 to LIM-MEX will officially be cancelled shortly (scheduled departure toime was over an hour ago).

Same situation at AEP, with many AR flights already cancelled. Good news is that AU seems to be working.

The difference with other strikes is that this time there is no determined time to stop the strike so I am assuming there will be a huge mess at AEP and EZE today  

I have also just heard that a flight to Tucuman had already boarded all the pax when the strike began and the pax were forced to go back to the terminal. Great image for the country. Dejense de joder loco!

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[Edited 2005-07-26 13:30:33]
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:11 pm

Result: Don´t cry if LAN Argentina take the biggest part of the local and international traffic in the coming years! That will be the logical consequence of this kind of acts.
 
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:51 pm

Quick update:

The strike goes on, so no changes here, but there was bbomb threat on an Austral flight that was scheduled from AEP to Salta. After knowing about the threat the plane landed in Santa Fe where police searched for explosives. The Aereonautical Police chief, Marcelo Sain, believes the threat to be related with the strikes, claiming that 2 weeks ago, during another strike "there were 21 bomb threats".
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/07/26/um/m-1021419.htm

According to other sources, there were 4 bomb threats today

http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=199441&IdxSeccion=100435

(sorry, links in Spanish only)
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:02 am

some hope now..

pilots have agreed to guranteeea 50% of the national flights and 75% of intl' flights. However on the "aeropuertos argentina 2000" website flights are still not being shown to depart.
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:49 am

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 1):
Result: Don´t cry if LAN Argentina take the biggest part of the local and international traffic in the coming years! That will be the logical consequence of this kind of acts

Luckily (sometimes) this country does not run by logic. People would not turn into LAN unless there's a big capacity shortage. AR will remain as the top carrier, no matter what LAN does. AU, will remain as the second carrier, and that might be the only thing that LAN could fight, but I'm not even quite sure about that.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 2):
The strike goes on, so no changes here, but there was bbomb threat on an Austral flight that was scheduled from AEP to Salta. After knowing about the threat the plane landed in Santa Fe where police searched for explosives. The Aereonautical Police chief, Marcelo Sain, believes the threat to be related with the strikes, claiming that 2 weeks ago, during another strike "there were 21 bomb threats".

Hola Beto!

Wow, this I didn't know. I guess everyone is taking it's stake for the latest attacks on London. Everyone is going paranoid, I believe, but hey - if that's what takes to be safe. I'll have a go for it.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 3):
some hope now..

pilots have agreed to guranteeea 50% of the national flights and 75% of intl' flights. However on the "aeropuertos argentina 2000" website flights are still not being shown to depart.

Well, yes. They are providing more than the minimal services required when on strike. I still don't know why the Labour Ministry hasn't forced them to go on to Mandatory Conciliation. They are not working even with AR to solve the problem.

These pilots have a long deserved wage raise and AR is not listening to that. Time to go into the negotiation table.

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:33 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
AR will remain as the top carrier, no matter what LAN does. AU, will remain as the second carrier

To prentend that AU and AR are actually 2 different carriers is just as naive as to pretend that Lan Express is a different airline than Lan Chile (legally they are).
But you are probably right, there are maaaaany things to happen before LAN would reach AR in Argentina.

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:08 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
Hola Beto!

Wow, this I didn't know. I guess everyone is taking it's stake for the latest attacks on London. Everyone is going paranoid, I believe, but hey - if that's what takes to be safe. I'll have a go for it.

Que hashe gaston, tanto tiempo!
Apparently there were a total of 10 bomb threats in different flights.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
These pilots have a long deserved wage raise and AR is not listening to that. Time to go into the negotiation table.

yes and no. They, as any other worker in any industry deserve a salary increase, but the proble, here is the nature of the claim and how they are claiming. How can AR pilots ask for a 40% increase on their already high salaries (if you compare to any other jon)? They can always claim an increase, but in a civilised manner and a bit less pretentious, maybe a 10% to start with. And what they have to stop doing is having these out of the blue strikes. It only hurts the pax more. They should announce scheduled strikes, so the customer (who eventually will be the one paying for their claimed salaries) does not feel abandonded and has time to reschedule their itineraries.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 5):
To prentend that AU and AR are actually 2 different carriers is just as naive as to pretend that Lan Express is a different airline than Lan Chile (legally they are).

True, they are the same compnay, although legally they too are separate companies. Now, the thing is that even being the same company, AU flights were operating today, therefore not going with the AR strikes (AU were mostly the reievers of the bomb threats).

Although I have to agree with Gaston here, the country does not run by logic (luckily? don't know if that's a good thing!), so it will be nearly impossible for LAN to become the top carrier, but I think that if the problems persist in AR, people will start booking more with LAN because they will be shure they will fly on the scheduled date. They'll never be #1, but this AR "kilombo" will help LAN's business.

Off topic, LAN Argentina is now hiring for cabin crew. Funny thing is that on the requirements, it says "preferibly with licencense for B767/B737/B747/A340."
The request for 767 and 340's indicate their future plans of expansion, the 737 because of current flights but ... 747???? Arcano, is LAN planning to get 747's or maybe the license for the 747 can also be used for 747's? Maybe it's just a mistake ...

saludos!
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:36 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 5):
To prentend that AU and AR are actually 2 different carriers is just as naive as to pretend that Lan Express is a different airline than Lan Chile (legally they are).
But you are probably right, there are maaaaany things to happen before LAN would reach AR in Argentina.

Well - no. The Brands are actually two different ones, and one you come accross surveys or peoples opinions, AU and AR are always distinguished between each other. Legally they are sister companies at ARSA - (owned by the same company) - but overall, they are two different companies, products. As well as LAN and LAN Express.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 6):
yes and no. They, as any other worker in any industry deserve a salary increase, but the proble, here is the nature of the claim and how they are claiming. How can AR pilots ask for a 40% increase on their already high salaries (if you compare to any other jon)? They can always claim an increase, but in a civilised manner and a bit less pretentious, maybe a 10% to start with. And what they have to stop doing is having these out of the blue strikes. It only hurts the pax more. They should announce scheduled strikes, so the customer (who eventually will be the one paying for their claimed salaries) does not feel abandonded and has time to reschedule their itineraries.

That's why I said:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
Time to go into the negotiation table.

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:40 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
That's why I said:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
Time to go into the negotiation table.

Man you are good in making things short!  Silly

btw Gaston, do you know if the strike is stil on for tomorrow? have you maybe heard any updates?
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:49 pm

I just read this from Clarin - things are being cooled down by the Labour Ministry, but ARSA NEEDS to step down and talk to the pilots, and the pilots need to keep on insisting on a diplomatic solution, without interrupting the companies activies

Quoting Clarin.com:
A las 18 terminó el paro y para hoy se anuncia un día normal, sin medidas de fuerza.

At 1800hs, Buenos Aires time - the strike ended and for today there are no protests announced AND there's going to be a normal activity day.


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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:07 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
Quoting Clarin.com:
A las 18 terminó el paro y para hoy se anuncia un día normal, sin medidas de fuerza.

At 1800hs, Buenos Aires time - the strike ended and for today there are no protests announced AND there's going to be a normal activity day.

I was checking clarin as well ... must have missed it. Oh well, great news! Creo que mañana me voy para AEP  Smile
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:16 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 10):
I was checking clarin as well ... must have missed it. Oh well, great news! Creo que mañana me voy para AEP Smile

Dang - well... I'm gonna put a Date to the meet. It HAS to be a Sunday or Monday. So that we can enjoy everyone coming in from holidays  Silly.

I'll put an exact date on it, later on.

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:19 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11):
Dang - well... I'm gonna put a Date to the meet. It HAS to be a Sunday or Monday. So that we can enjoy everyone coming in from holidays .

ok, but on sundays I can only in the morning (y, ahora que empieza el campeonato hay que ir a la cancha!!)

Hopefully we can meet WITHOUT ANY STRIKES AROUND!!
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:41 am

I also heard from the Maintenanace rep in JFK that the mechanics are also in strike??? any info???
 
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 6):
747???? Arcano, is LAN planning to get 747's or maybe the license for the 747 can also be used for 747's? Maybe it's just a mistake ...

Not public announcement yet. I do think that we have to hear soon any fleet expansion from LAN, as they won't be able to support an internaitonal expansion of Lan Argentina based in 767s and 4 343s. So I do think that 747 could be an option, although we can still hearing rumors about 777s and now the 346 instead of the 343...

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
Well - no. The Brands are actually two different ones, and one you come accross surveys or peoples opinions, AU and AR are always distinguished between each other

So it's almost the same. Come on guy, si hasta tienen la misma web! and Brands? just a few letters, same livery, same condor, SAME AIRCRAFT... twisted thought of different airlines you have there...
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 14):
So it's almost the same. Come on guy, si hasta tienen la misma web! and Brands? just a few letters, same livery, same condor, SAME AIRCRAFT... twisted thought of different airlines you have there...

Ehm... no, flights say: "Operated by Austral Lineas Aereas" or "Operated by Aerolíneas Argentinas"

So, two different brands, two different products - two different airlines as stated by IATA and ICAO  Smile. Legally, they might be the same - but not to the passengers, why? Two different products. Basically, they would be competitors, but not quite.

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:51 pm

It's amazing how Gaston and Arcano "fight" in every single thread!!  Silly



Quoting Arcano (Reply 14):
So I do think that 747 could be an option

well, considering the LAn Argentina cabin crew position, I would say that they will get the 747. Nice! Regardless of feelings towards the new airline, a 747 must look nice in LAN livery, don't you think?

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:59 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 6):
They'll never be #1, but this AR "kilombo" will help LAN's business.

A very apt description of AR, I wonder how many people undrestand that word except outside Argentina.
 
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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting Blue787 (Reply 17):
A very apt description of AR, I wonder how many people undrestand that word except outside Argentina.

I apologize, should have thought about the rest, my bad  Smile

"kilombo" is a word that basically means "total mess"

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RE: AR Pilot Strike Today ... Again!

Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
well, considering the LAn Argentina cabin crew position, I would say that they will get the 747. Nice! Regardless of feelings towards the new airline, a 747 must look nice in LAN livery, don't you think?

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