flashmeister
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DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:27 pm

Could someone clarify something for me? Depending on what site you look at, Delta flights from CDG to the US depart from either CDG 2C or CDG 2E, although if it's the latter, I'm assuming it's with the aid of shuttle buses after checkin.

Which is it these days? Or are both incorrect?
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:51 pm

Looking at CDG's website (http://www.aeroportsdeparis.fr/) it looks like it's CDG2E, even though they are still listing Delta operating from 2C.
 
panamair
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:01 pm

It's definitely Terminal 2E - DL has moved back there as of late June. There are now no jetways at all for any DL flight; all boarding is by bus and then stairs.
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:47 pm

Just got back from Paris on NW. Both NW and DL use terminal 2E and it sucks. The terminal has very little shops and restaurants. And yest you have to get on a bus and board the plane by stairs. Everytime I go to Paris, on other airlines we would be in other cool terminals where you have to go into the moving tunnels and futuristic tubes to get to your flight. Moreover, those terminals have better shops and restaurants too! Oh well, next time I won't be on NW sicne the reason I had to fly them is because I need to use up the tickets from my previous trip which I cancelled.
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:11 pm

Guys,

It is important to note that DL was in the new international terminal. This is the same terminal that collapsed last year and killed a couple of people. I was actually on a flight to CDG the day the terminal collapsed and we were delayed for a little bit on our arrival because of the accident. Upon arrival, we taxied past the new terminal and were taken to another terminal. It was a terrible incident.

I don't fault DL for being in 2E at this point as this was not planned. So remembering this acccident, and those who were killed, I am more than willing to accept 2E.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:26 pm

Not much different than when DL was at 2C if they still use busses. Out of the 6 12 times I have connected to/off DL flights at CDG, we used a jetway only twice. Just hope ADP soon solves the problems in 2E.
 
flashmeister
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:18 am

So, looking at the map off of Aeroport's website, how would one connect from 2E to 2B? Where do you cross over to the halls on the other side?
 
panamair
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:43 am

2 ways:
1) take the connections bus from T2E. It will stop first at 2C, 2A, and then 2B
2) walk yourself over (have to go through immigration at 2E and then again at 2B). After you exit 2E, head towards the RER train station/CDG Sheraton area. This is the area between 2C and 2E as well as between 2D and 2F. Here you go diagonally across from 2E to 2D. 2B is after 2D on the same side.
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:11 am

I flew last week ATL-CDG and CDG-CVG on DL 777 a/c and had a remote stand both times to a bus. Horrible experience. Yeah, the accident is why, but the remote standing sucks there @ CDG.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 8):
Horrible experience.

*whine whine whine*

...some of us LOVE the chance to experience that-- brings back the glory days of aviation  Silly
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:49 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 9):
...some of us LOVE the chance to experience that-- brings back the glory days of aviation

Yeah yeah. I will say, getting out on the ground like that and looking up at the 777 was cool as it gave real perspective of the size of the aircraft. Then the moment of enjoyment was over because I realized I was getting rained on a lot and was getting wet and my glasses were getting spattered.

Okay, I'm done whining.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:51 am

I confirm, Delta check-in is at Terminal 2E.

All flights checking in at Terminal 2E are on hard stands.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:53 pm

I was there a week ago, and some flights for AF and all of AM, DL and NW depart from terminal 2E which I agree is not the best one at CDG. The only good thing was that I could take some good pics on the way to the plane.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:45 am

I don't understand the constant griping about having to take a bus and board via stairs. You get on the plane and get out at the same time. Unless the weather is atrocious, it's often a more pleasant experience because you get to see the plane up close. Even before the collapse at CDG, many flights still had this kind of boarding. I have not used a jetway at CDG in the past 5 years.
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:02 am

I was in 2E recently.. the remote gates that you have to take a bus over to from the "main" 2E terminal. I believe they were for gates 75-85.

Are those remote gates I was at brand new? They sure seemed like it to me, and I wondered if they were just temporary replacements for the collapsed portion of 2E that is now being rebuilt. The duty free store inside still isn't finished as of a couple weeks ago. They had a makeshift area along a couple walls and behind that you could see people installing shelves and stuff for a new store.

I quite enjoyed the ride over to that terminal (we ended up going right in front of quite a few parked AF 777's and 744's), but only since I had a lot of time to kill. It took almost 35 minutes to get there because we had to wait for 20 minutes while a 737 waited for a gate. It was situated in just the right way to make sure that if we pulled out to cross a taxiway that we would get all of his jetblast.
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:07 am

How does a remote stand suck?

Give me that bus and stairs anytime before waiting for a f-ing gate for 2 hours at a U.S. airport.
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B4REAL
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 13):
I don't understand the constant griping about having to take a bus and board via stairs

Rained on.
Carry-on luggage going down steps
Slower deplaning
Longer boarding times and lines @ 'gate' to get on bus
More ground time

Need I go on?
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 16):
Rained on.
Carry-on luggage going down steps
Slower deplaning
Longer boarding times and lines @ 'gate' to get on bus
More ground time

It can't be all that bad. A lot of times at big hubs such as Bangkok, Frankfurt and Paris CDG remote stands are used. It's not that slow if you have a lineup of buses waiting (I had 5 for a 747 waiting last time).
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:24 am

Plus it has been hot as shit in Central and Eastern Europe for the past few weeks, and boarding via busses (that do not have AC) is a 3rd world discomfort that I would like to do without.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting AA7573E (Reply 18):
Plus it has been hot as shit in Central and Eastern Europe for the past few weeks, and boarding via busses (that do not have AC) is a 3rd world discomfort that I would like to do without.

5 minutes in a hot bus. Must be the end of the world.

With or whithout aircon at (very hot around the year) Don Muang airport in Bangkok, there is always something special boarding a 747 via stairs. And I'm the type of guy who hates the lineups and boarding areas - give me my lounge please. But boarding a 747 via stairs is great every single time. At that point, you can really see the sheer size of the beast.

And CDG 2E is the way it is due to that accident - people lost lives and you are complaining about a hot bus. Get a life or stay in your aircon room.
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flashmeister
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:57 am

So realistically, how long did it take to deplane @ CDG using the stairs and bus? Our connection is approx. 2 hrs to deplane, clear customs, and recheck for our Air France flight, which according to their website, has departed out of 2B in recent days. How tight will it be? I'd like to see at least some of CDG...  Smile
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:31 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 16):
Carry-on luggage going down steps

If you cannot carry your own cabin bag down steps then you shouldn't be carrying it on board.

ADP has been working closely with the airlines at CDG T2E in order to maximise capacity and adhere to passenger comfort. I work with one of those airlines and believe me, they have invested in a lot of time trying to keep things operating as smooth as possibleat T2e since the accident.

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 20):
So realistically, how long did it take to deplane @ CDG using the stairs and bus? Our connection is approx. 2 hrs to deplane, clear customs, and recheck for our Air France flight, which according to their website, has departed out of 2B in recent days. How tight will it be?

2 hours is more than enough time. I did 1h20 and it was more than enough time. If you are on hard stand expect 5-8 minutes before getting on the bus (depending where your seat is) then another 5-10 minutes getting to the terminal. If your connection gets short, they send staff to the plane to facilitate the connection.

If you are connecting from US to inter-Europe Schengen, there is no clearing customs, no re-checking in ... you should be through checked and your bags checked to your final destination.
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:33 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 19):
5 minutes in a hot bus. Must be the end of the world.

With or whithout aircon at (very hot around the year) Don Muang airport in Bangkok, there is always something special boarding a 747 via stairs. And I'm the type of guy who hates the lineups and boarding areas - give me my lounge please. But boarding a 747 via stairs is great every single time. At that point, you can really see the sheer size of the beast.

Difference is that at Don Muang, the remote parking positions are at most a 2-3 minute straight-line bus ride away. At CDG, the remote stands used by DL and some AF flights are 10 minutes away assuming the bus doesn't get stopped by taxiing a/c or doesn't get stuck behind a slow-as-molasses luggage truck. The bus has to cross a few taxiways and a large tarmac area near Terminal 2F and then snake its way around the Terminal 2C tarmac before finally getting to Terminal 2E.

On a good day, from the time the plane finally stops until the time you arrive at Terminal 2E, you should count on at least 15 minutes (and that is if you happen to be in Business Class or the front section of Y and make it onto the first bus). It always seems to take the ground personnel 5 minutes or more to line the stairs up with the a/c. It wouldn't be that bad if AF/DL lengthened the minimum legal connecting time at CDG but even with these latest changes, it is still 45-50 minutes, which is pretty much impossible unless the Earth lines up perfectly with the stars and other planets....
 
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RE: DL At CDG: Which Hall In Terminal 2?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting Halaka (Reply 14):
Are those remote gates I was at brand new? They sure seemed like it to me, and I wondered if they were just temporary replacements for the collapsed portion of 2E that is now being rebuilt. The duty free store inside still isn't finished as of a couple weeks ago. They had a makeshift area along a couple walls and behind that you could see people installing shelves and stuff for a new store

Yes, that makeshift terminal building is new and has been operational since the end of June; it is for gates E80 - 89. Gates E70-79 are back in the main Terminal 2E building. This makeshift building has a duty free area as mentioned, as well as an AF/SkyTeam lounge. Flights that arrive/depart from this building are the DL-operated flights to JFK, BOM, and MAA, as well as AF flights to CAI, DXB, ORD and a few others.

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