as739x
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Next Route From CAK?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:31 pm

With the quick growth of CAK, I was thinking that possibly within the next 6 months we could here about anouther destination. Any idea's on possible new destinations and/or new airlines? Or do you guys think that things are going to be quite for a while?

My opinion was that Alligiant could possibly start service. But with FL doing LAS 5 times a week, I think we can count G4 out..... My guess's below

FL CAK-BWI
FL CAK-SRQ
FL CAK-DFW
NW-MSP/MEM ( was discussed in thread recently I know)

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AirplanePeanut
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:35 pm

Well, Orlando seems to be the biggest Florida destination, So I'd put my money on CAK-MCO on of course, FL.

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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:36 pm

I would expect maybe BWI and SRQ then maybe DFW! I am not sure NW's wants to add anything from here that does not go through DTW! If NW added I would expect MEM first. Just my two cents. Honestly I would expect B6 to consider CAK for the simple reason that from CAK they would also attract PIT business because of the locations of these two airports to each other.
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aeronick
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:40 pm

So where is CAK located? Perhaps I should know but I don't.
 
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting AirplanePeanut (Reply 1):
Well, Orlando seems to be the biggest Florida destination, So I'd put my money on CAK-MCO on of course, FL.



Good bet, but airTran already flies CAK-MCO, CAK-TPA, and CAK-FLL.
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting Aeronick (Reply 3):
So where is CAK located? Perhaps I should know but I don't.

30 miles southeast of Cleveland.

It is a great alternative to CLE

I hope F9's 2 daily A319's are doing well there.
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as739x
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:48 am

MAH4546...think FLL will ever go more the 1 weekly?

Luc2fly....I'm hoping the same thing. Though I have my feeling B6 will look at CLE. But thats my feeling, so who cares!

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toltommy
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:04 am

I'll go with 2x daily CAK-DFW on FL. FL has had good luck in attacking CO's business markets from CLE. Both AA and CO have reduced CLE-DFW to a 3+ hour RJ flight. No chance for their best customers to be able to upgrade, and the biz traveller has to drop a ton of money unless they have an advance purchase and a Saturday stayover.

CAK-BWI? Won't happen. Too many seats in CLE between WN and CO.

CAK-SRQ? Nope. Would destroy the loads on CAK-TPA. Many NE Ohio retirees winter (or have moved) south of TPA. Besides, SRQ would need to come up wth new subsidy money to make it happen.

My guesses are additional FLL frequencies. CAK-RSW on weekends would carry a lot of snowbird traffic as well. I wouldn't mind seeing CAK-MSP, since NW doesn't want to do it.
 
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:14 am

So where is CAK located? Perhaps I should know but I don't.

Like 1millionflyer said, I would also contribute the cities it serves with credit as well. Akron has Goodyear and Firestone plants if I am correct, and Canton (although dying) has The Hoover Company, The Timpken Research & Rollerbearing Company, and well McKinley grave along with the Pro Football Hall of Fame Game (Which is always a blast, even though I never get to go seeing I'm working)
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as739x
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:25 am

ATL, downtown Canton is dying, but the suburban area's still are growing. My Mom (local reality agent) said the population continues to grow slowly, but growing.

1million flyer,also besides CLE you have PIT. CAk is also a viable option for people on the west side off Central Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh. About a hour and 15-30 minute drive. Maybe be worth the drive for some to save some money on tickets. Well before WN is in PIT full force.

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CMHSRQ
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:33 am

Seasonally SRQ would work. In regards to the subsidy money, AirTran only pulls from this source if revenues are below a certain level. I'm not sure how much of the several million $'s they have used yet. I do know that AirTran.com shows 4 ATL, and 1 each IND,BWI, and MDW dailies this winter and spring. How much do those flights pull from TPA and RSW traffic? This year over last SRQ is averaging over 600 additional pax per day. Hopefully they add 1 or 2 more flights from Jan through May. However, I do think that more money could be made on other destinations though.
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 7):
I'll go with 2x daily CAK-DFW on FL. FL has had good luck in attacking CO's business markets from CLE. Both AA and CO have reduced CLE-DFW to a 3+ hour RJ flight. No chance for their best customers to be able to upgrade, and the biz traveller has to drop a ton of money unless they have an advance purchase and a Saturday stayover.

Dang TOLtommy...beat me to it.  Smile I was just studying the O/D stats (Q4 2004)for CAK and DFW is number 6 with 121 passengers per day and no non stop service. I would bet if AirTran were to pick another route, this would be it...with the 2x Daily. Also, just down the list at 8 is RSW, I would figure seasonal flights to there would do well also.

It's amazing how well AirTran is doing on the LGA route. According to the O/D stats 515 passengers a day fly between LGA and CAK on FL alone (86 pax per flight!). The average fare was $98 so the revenue per flight was $8400. Astounding if you ask me! BOS is something like $5900 per flight.

I envy CAK....
 
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:11 am

Is $8400 really that astounding for a flight on a 717with fuel, crew costs and LGA landing fees that can't be much of a money maker for FL.
 
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RE: Next Route From CAK?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:55 pm

AirTran asked for slots to support a fourth CAK-LGA flight, saying their loads were running around 90% on the existing 3 dailies, one of which uses a leased slot. DOT said no.