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New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:25 am

Any ideas on what new cities might be in the cards for B6 once the new EMB190s are fully implemented? Seven 190's are supposed to be in service by November, with the remaining 93 on order put into service in the following couple of years. When I spoke with B6's VP of Flight Operations, he mentioned a possibility of 200 new city pairings once the 190's go into service. Louisville was mentioned in an earlier thread (and in a news article I believe), but I was wondering if anyone else had any ideas?
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:44 am

not at first, as has been discussed a lot, they´ll first connect points with exixsting cities. Aug 24th will be the delivery date

do a search, lot´s of interesting stuff.
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:23 am

anyone think ORD, MDW or GYY???
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class=quote target=_blank>ORD Boy 2 (Reply 2):
ORD, MDW or GYY???

ORD at some point, MDW maybe, GYY do not hold your breath!
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
not at first, as has been discussed a lot, they´ll first connect points with exixsting cities. Aug 24th will be the delivery date

Also the first revenue flight is not expected until October, I believe it has been mentioned that no new cities would be added just because of the 190's this year.

Quoting FlyTweed (Thread starter):
Louisville was mentioned in an earlier thread (and in a news article I believe), but I was wondering if anyone else had any ideas?

It was a fluff article that mentioned nothing in it of any proof!
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
ORD at some point, MDW maybe, GYY do not hold your breath!

Knowing them they'll do all 3 eventually. Hell maybe even VPZ, and DPA too (sarcasm on these two). See the NYC area if you want the method to my madness.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:52 am

Rumors are flying circulating that GRR is coming. Perhaps DTW too, although I'll bet B6 waits for the North Terminal to be done.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:30 pm

What city doesnt have a rumor or a tiny piece of evidence that b6 is coming?

i thought they were going to connect some dots, get the airbuses off of intra ny routes, and then fly to those cities on that list they have...im not sure what its called exactly but its a list of cities that they originally had interest in.. you guys know what im talking about.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:42 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 7):
What city doesnt have a rumor or a tiny piece of evidence that b6 is coming?

Very good point.

Though I have heard from very reliable sources that the first new 195 city will be in Texas, and it isn't Dallas.
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:00 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Though I have heard from very reliable sources that the first new 195 city will be in Texas, and it isn't Dallas.

Oh please be AUS!  Smile

But in reality, I would think that B6 would put the 195's on some of the intra-state NY routes and other potentially "thin" routes (at least by comparison to flying them with 320s) along the East Coast. In other words, I don't expect them to start opening new stations en masse once these come online. Unless, as stated earlier, they decided on AUS.

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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:02 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 9):
Oh please be AUS

San Antonio. Sorry. I'm sure there is a an AUS rumor that you can pin your hopes on.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:04 pm

Actually, it is Austin, not San Antonio, that is supposed to be the first new E195 station announced by the end of the year. No promises, that's just the "word", take it for what it's worth.

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 9):
But in reality, I would think that B6 would put the 195's on some of the intra-state NY routes and other potentially "thin" routes (at least by comparison to flying them with 320s) along the East Coast. In other words, I don't expect them to start opening new stations en masse once these come online.

That is exactly what they are doing. The first 195 routes will be existing routes and new routes between existing stations (expect JFK-BOS and FLL-BUF first). New stations should start coming online in spring 2006. If rumours come true, Austin will be the first one. Grand Rapids and San Antonio won't be very far behind. And there will be plenty more.

Also, on another note, if Stewart is awarded the SCASD grant they applied for, SWF will likely be the first 195 new station.

[Edited 2005-07-28 07:08:00]
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:07 pm

Interesting, Neelman said they were looking at SAT. Wouldn't surprise me to see both announced however.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:13 pm

LIsten to the Swedish guy in south florida people. He´s a 99,99% hitter guys.
Mark, why are you writing 195 instead of 190, do you know something we don´t?
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:20 pm

ho-hum

What cities will be served by JetBlue's E190s?
When will NW retire the DC9 and what will it be replaced with?

Honestly, how many times can something BE discussed?


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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:33 pm

Any chance of seeing these 190s at MSPWink

But seriously, it would be nice to see jetBlue at MSP at all, whether with A320s or ERJ190s. Does anyone think that there could be a market at MSP for B6scratchchin 
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting N808NWatMSP (Reply 15):
But seriously, it would be nice to see jetBlue at MSP at all, whether with A320s or ERJ190s. Does anyone think that there could be a market at MSP for B6?

and balte with NW?
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I´m guessing they´ll use the E-190´s to be strong up and down and free up the A-320´s to make transon flights.
that´s me tough.
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:06 am

How about replacing A320 on LGB-OAK LGB-LAS with E-190's. This will free up A320's for long hall flights.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:22 am

How about replacing A320 on LGB-OAK LGB-LAS with E-190's. This will free up A320's for long hall flights.

I think that the 190s will be on both coasts eventually, but they probably want to keep them based out of JFK initially.

As for routes, we have years to look at this! B6 still has a heck of a lot of planes on order (320s and 190s) so there will be many new routes and cities to come. However, I'd expect B6 to put their first 190s on a JFK-Upstate NY route. They could increase frequencies and put the 320s on longer, more profitable routes.
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:45 am

The first few routes with the 190's will not be out of JFK. Look for a SYR-FLL or BUF-FLL route. As for new cities, there will be no more new cities at least until early next year. A BOS-JFK and IAD-JFK are also in the near future but like I said the first couple 190 routes are not going to be JFK involved.

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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:54 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 19):
The first few routes with the 190's will not be out of JFK. Look for a SYR-FLL or BUF-FLL route. As for new cities, there will be no more new cities at least until early next year. A BOS-JFK and IAD-JFK are also in the near future but like I said the first couple 190 routes are not going to be JFK involved.

Where is Mx going to be done on these birds? If they are going to be worked on in JFK, then they should run flights on them out of JFK so they can rotate through checks and be able to fix the write-ups. If they are going to have their Mx done in FLL, then it would seem logical...can anyone elaborate? Thanks!

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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 19):
but like I said the first couple 190 routes are not going to be JFK involved.

Like BOS-MSY, twice daily, with 190's.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 19):
The first few routes with the 190's will not be out of JFK. Look for a SYR-FLL or BUF-FLL route. As for new cities, there will be no more new cities at least until early next year. A BOS-JFK and IAD-JFK are also in the near future but like I said the first couple 190 routes are not going to be JFK involved.

Yea, that sounds better.

I just took ROC-JFK today and they were saying today's flight is normal and it was like 97% full, not many open seats at all. And a good amount was staying in NYC so I think adding 190's on Upstate routes wouldn't be the best idea considering they go out close to full alot and adding E-190's on that would mean adding like 2X more to each city (Since Florida is opening up they will still see JFK connecting and JFK PAX)

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
Like BOS-MSY, twice daily, with 190's.

Actually I heard somewhere that that is going to be one of the flights, so...

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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:47 am

Will jetBlue own the E190s or will they lease them trough GECAS or ILFC or...? Does B6 own their A320s?

Will the E190 galleys be wired for ovens for optional hot meal services or will they only have "cold" galleys?
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:56 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):
Will jetBlue own the E190s or will they lease them trough GECAS or ILFC or...? Does B6 own their A320s?

I think they will own the E-190's and They lease some A320's (Like the first 2/3 planes and some others)

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):
Will the E190 galleys be wired for ovens for optional hot meal services or will they only have "cold" galleys?

Well they probably won't be wired for it but if they want to off in the future they can add it on, but for now, most likely the way the 320's are just a little smaller.

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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 22):
I just took ROC-JFK today and they were saying today's flight is normal and it was like 97% full, not many open seats at all. And a good amount was staying in NYC so I think adding 190's on Upstate routes wouldn't be the best idea considering they go out close to full alot and adding E-190's on that would mean adding like 2X more to each city (Since Florida is opening up they will still see JFK connecting and JFK PAX)

I don't think a daily (or two) Upstate NY-Florida E190(s) would cannibalize too much.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:59 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 20):
Where is Mx going to be done on these birds?

Didn't they build or take over a hangar at MCO to do maintenance?
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:17 am

I've read several times that B6 would prefer ORD to MDW, since there is more business traffic out of ORD, and that B6 isn't interested in ORD until it can get 4 or 5 adjacent gates. B6 wants more than just JFK service out of ORD.
 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 26):
Didn't they build or take over a hangar at MCO to do maintenance?

B6 built an E190 Mx hangar just like the one we built at JFK.
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
I've read several times that B6 would prefer ORD to MDW, since there is more business traffic out of ORD, and that B6 isn't interested in ORD until it can get 4 or 5 adjacent gates.

... which will require, in all probability, something severe to happen to either AA or UA. I believe F6 is about the only domestic gate available, and HP may at some point move over there if/when HP and US consolidate ground ops at ORD.
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:36 pm

How about opening a B6 operation at MDT (Harrisburg, PA)? I live in that area and the market has been screaming for a LCC for years. The new 190s will be perfect for MDT's new terminal, which can probably accomodate several aircraft at a time if more than one city pairing is added. A MDT/JFK pairing would be ideal since no service to the New York City area exists right now. I envision a MDT/BOS pairing too......to rival USAirways Express 3x daily flights between MDT and BOS........FLL, MCO, or TPA can come into play as well, however a Florida city would probably be better off with a A320 on the route. The 190s are not too big, not too small. The layout of the new MDT terminal can allow for two, maybe three aircraft on the ground at once if need be, adding to the versatility of the 190. I'm hoping some "blue skies" are forcast for MDT in the not too far future!  optimist 
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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:44 pm

Well I don't know if MDT will be one of the first groups of cities but I fell it will come some day. Adding the service to MDT would even bring in Money for Hershey Park b/c it isn't that far (I think).

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RE: New B6 Routes With EMB190s?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:20 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Actually, it is Austin, not San Antonio,

Makes perfect sense. Austin, being a college town, seems much more "jetBlue-ish" than San Antonio..nothing against the Alamo City, just that Austin has a more young and hip feel to it, just the kind of market jetBlue appeals most strongly to. Plus it's the center of Texas government, if that means anything.

Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 17):
How about replacing A320 on LGB-OAK LGB-LAS with E-190's

I am going to say jetBlue wants to maximise their lift out of LGB since slots are at a PREMIUM...only so many flights they can run a day. They want to get all they can...that is unless these LGB flights are under-performing? Anyone know for sure?

I would wager a guess that at least half of the new E90s will fly routes other than JFK. Like the MSY-BOS mentioned above. From what I can tell, most of the routes within E90 range from JFK, are already doing quite well with the existing 320...so FLL-SYR/ROC/BUF would appear to be feasible.
Unless they're thinking of taking JFK-BTV from 3 daily 320s to 6 E90s?

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 30):
The new 190s will be perfect for MDT's new terminal

I am not sure that "if they build it, they will come" applies here..if MDT were to be added, I'm gonna guess it will be to the south, and possibly BOS, but that is a stretch.

I will stick with my original statement that jetBlue will use the E90 between existing stations, in the 750-1000nm range. It doesn't make sense to send a new aircraft design to a new station: unless?
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